Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[caLLous]

You don't half talk some rubbish, @Job.

 

[Job]

Maybe you need to watch some original Startrek.

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe you shouldn't be using Star Trek as the basis of your political views.

 

[Job]

It was a very political show with lots of storylines based around the human condition.
First ever interacial kiss on US tv as well.

 

[caLLous]

US wants access to NHS in post-Brexit deal, says Trump ally

 

[dysfunction]

That would be a disaster

 

[Scouse]

That would be a disaster

As is the food thing. It's a lowering of animal welfare standards and food quality standards. Poor people, in our destitute society, are going to choose the cheapest options - putting a downward price pressure that could put UK producers out of business.

That's why we don't allow direct access at the moment - we've some of the worlds best standards.

The race to the bottom is very real - and dressed up as a false and seemingly reasonable 'consumer choice'.

 

[Gwadien]

That's the problem with Nationalism, it's not a very good platform to have for diplomacy, because it won't be 'how can we make the UK more free, and prove to the rest of Europe that it works' It'll be 'How can we profit the most out of Brexit?'

 

[Yoni]

UK factories suffer shock contraction as Brexit and trade wars bite - business live

 

[Job]

Thats not a reaction to brexit..just the temporary uncertainty that britain actually has a government.

 

[caLLous]

Trump says NHS must be 'on the table' in post-Brexit trade deal

Here's What US Lobbyists Want Donald Trump To Get From A Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Lobbyists for big firms made more than 130 demands, which include:

• Changing how NHS chiefs buy drugs to suit big US pharmaceutical companies
• Britain scraps its safety-first approach to safety and food standards
• Law changes that would allow foreign companies to sue the British state
• Removal of protections for traditional British products.

 

[Scouse]

Yep. Bye bye precautionary principle.

 

[Job]

Lobbyists want a lot of things.

Luckily because its not men running in womens races, they are unlikely to get it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Trump says NHS must be 'on the table' in post-Brexit trade deal

Here's What US Lobbyists Want Donald Trump To Get From A Post-Brexit Trade Deal

This isn't news; its basically the US' wish list during the TTIP negotiations with the EU and it's why those negotiations never went anywhere.

The question is whether the UK, which is a. in a much weaker bargaining position, and b. doesn't have to worry about all those pesky national governments objecting; bends over and takes it all in one go or whether the US has to buy them dinner first. If the Tories manage to stay in power you are so fucked.

 

[Bodhi]

If you don’t want to eat chlorinated chicken, you could always just read the f**king label, say experts

Ah chlorinated chicken, the bendy banana of the particularly fucking mental Europhile.

/me sips chlorinated water and mulls over eating some chlorinated salad

/me decided "fuck it" and has some EU sourced produce instead. Findus Beef Lasagna! Sounds excellent.

 

[Scouse]

I see you're still steadfastly ignoring all the rational arguments about race to the bottom, animal welfare standards and it all being dressed up as a false "consumer choice" I see @Bodhi.

 

[Bodhi]

I see you're still steadfastly ignoring all the rational arguments about race to the bottom, animal welfare standards and it all being dressed up as a false "consumer choice" I see @Bodhi.

Well when I actually see a rational argument I will let you know whether I am going to ignore it or not.

The reality is, we aren't going to be able to shift far in terms of food standard if we want to keep free trade with the EU as well, so as part of the negotiation I expect that to get taken off the table fairly early on. Given they are our single biggest trading partner as it is - and have an economy that is actually growing - I'm sure we can find plenty else to discuss. Car import taxes would be a great start - give JLR a leg up in the US market and let us import Yank stuff on the cheap. Eco-mentalists can get a cheaper Tesla, and I can have a Dodge Challenger. Win win.

Given the EU are no saints when it comes to animal welfare and highly dubious practices, I'm quite relaxed about doing business with the US. But then I do business with the US every day, including customers who have to keep the FDA satisfied. Given how shit scared they are of sanctions or litigation - or even negative social media attention, we are quite safe. In fact I see a lot more slapdash approaches over here than I do Stateside.

 

[dysfunction]

So you're saying the EU will tell us if we can or cannot import goods from the US?

That's interesting...good to Brexit will be handing back control.

 

[Gwadien]

The classic 'It's a choice, what's the problem?!' argument.

Love it.

Aka

The I'm fine so who gives a shit argument.

 

[Job]

Its just 'E' numbers scaring all over again, which is hilarious because they were one of the first sensible thing the EU did, test and pass all the chemicals in food and give them a simple number...which unfortunately was seized upon as cancer causing E numbers by the hippy junkscience brigade.
You cant win.

 

[Bodhi]

The classic 'It's a choice, what's the problem?!' argument.

Love it.

Aka

The I'm fine so who gives a shit argument.

Sorry, I forgot part of the trade deal is we will all be force fed genetically modified hormone fed chlorine washed cow chickens and told to like it.

This isn't communist Russia (yet), if you don't like the idea of something, don't eat it. For instance, I don't like fish and find battery hens a horribly inhumane way of rearing animals. You know how I get round this obstacle? I don't fucking buy either. If that's a bit beyond you, I dunno maybe a dose of Salmonella will show you the error of your ways?

 

[Gwadien]

Sorry, I forgot part of the trade deal is we will all be force fed genetically modified hormone fed chlorine washed cow chickens and told to like it.

This isn't communist Russia (yet), if you don't like the idea of something, don't eat it. For instance, I don't like fish and find battery hens a horribly inhumane way of rearing animals. You know how I get round this obstacle? I don't fucking buy either. If that's a bit beyond you, I dunno maybe a dose of Salmonella will show you the error of your ways?

Again, this isn't about you.

This is about the millions of people that will now be eating worse quality food prior to leaving the EU, because its the affordable option.

 

[Gwadien]

Project Fear

New Brexit deal by October 'misleading'

 

[Job]

So the next GE is going to be about Brexit.

The good and bad news for Corbyn after Peterborough is that it seems, as I suspected, no one gives a fuck about antisemitism accusations, the bad news is a party made last week came with 600 votes.
Tbh its better that 'Farage' didnt win, they'd get a lot more grilling on the policy front..and they havent got any.

Labour came within a gnats bollock of being beaten by an independent with no real policies whatsoever

 

[BloodOmen]

NHS is fucked at this point. USA is all but DEMANDING that the NHS is on the table during trade talks. Millions of brits = fucked for medical care because they can't afford US prices.

 

[Gwadien]

NHS is fucked at this point. USA is all but DEMANDING that the NHS is on the table during trade talks. Millions of brits = fucked for medical care because they can't afford US prices.

The NHS will have some wonderful days in the early days of these trade deals, since US Pharma Bros will wanna undercut British Pharma and force them to close, then the prices will go up.

 

[Bodhi]

NHS is fucked at this point. USA is all but DEMANDING that the NHS is on the table during trade talks. Millions of brits = fucked for medical care because they can't afford US prices.

Oh please, most countries in the EU also operate an insurance based system, and EU based health care providers have had access to the UK market for years. Having worked with a few EU based executives are just as interested in profit and making money as their US based colleagues. Yet the NHS is still here.

 

[Bodhi]

The NHS will have some wonderful days in the early days of these trade deals, since US Pharma Bros will wanna undercut British Pharma and force them to close, then the prices will go up.

Fucking LOL. So US Pharma companies are going to undercut companies like GSK and force them to close are they? Have you seen the size of GSK? Have you seen the size of GSK's US operation?

 

[Bodhi]

Again, this isn't about you.

This is about the millions of people that will now be eating worse quality food prior to leaving the EU, because its the affordable option.

Worse than a Findus Beef Lasagna?

 

[Job]

The NHS which apparently we are so proud of seems to be the worst health service in the big economies of Europe.
Its basically a nationalised industry and everyone else runs a private insurance system that the tax payer pays into while spreading put the premiums so all are insured.