Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Deebs]

Apart from a vote of no confidence in herself (which she won and cannot be voted for again for a year) and a VONC in the Government do we have any form of removal where the House believes she has lost control, her mind and is damaging the UK due to her own personal agenda, which getting her Deal through clearly is?

 

[Deebs]

Fuck me if this turns out to be true:


View: https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1109078676946251776

 

[Scouse]

Shes a fucking remainer and has now officially lost it.

Yeah - I don't care about that. We know she was.

But she's trying to "deliver brexit". So the questions I asked were these:

There you go @Job

"Theresa May - the people voted for pain".

Did you vote for pain, @Job? I don't think vote leave said "vote leave = vote pain" on the side of the bus, did they?

Explain to me why you voted for pain @Job. Because May is intent on delivering pain for you.

That's out of the PMs mouth. The UK Prime Minister. Nothing to do with the EU, nothing to do with the liberal elite. It's the UK Prime Minister.

All us.

Please answer the questions.

 

[Job]

Well my mate said it will be fine so that cancels it out.
Im pretty sure all remainers think it will be painful.
This is hardly news.

 

[Deebs]

Well my mate said it will be fine so that cancels it out.
Im pretty sure all remainers think it will be painful.
This is hardly news.

I am hoping that the first line is dripping with sarcasm.

 

[Job]

I think Farage has fucked up there by calling a peoples march..its a lot easier to click a link in anomity than turn up to march in the rain with your face in full view.
Aoart from the fact that redditors and chaners are boasting of voting hundreds of times each.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Fuck me if this turns out to be true:


View: https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1109078676946251776

Happy fucking dancing

 

[Deebs]

Happy fucking dancing

So of the 3 mentioned in the tweet:

Revoke A50 - possible
Second ref - possible
May's deal + Customs Union - no fucking way, UK would get no say in new trade deals.

So thats 1 down...

Bottom line is the Tory Governcunt has just realised the Party is finished and is coming up with anything to stop that and attempt to keep them in power. The writing is on the wall.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

So of the 3 mentioned in the tweet:

Revoke A50 - possible
Second ref - possible
May's deal + Customs Union - no fucking way, UK would get no say in new trade deals.

So thats 1 down...

Bottom line is the Tory Governcunt has just realised the Party is finished and is coming up with anything to stop that and attempt to keep them in power. The writing is on the wall.

For the reasons you know I want either remain (best) or a long long delay. This gives hope of one happening.
Whatever happens I'm off.

 

[Wij]

Problem is:

May's deal + Customs Union - no fucking way, UK would get no say in new trade deals.

That's Corbyn's favourite. If he whips Labour MPs then...

 

[Deebs]

Problem is:

May's deal + Customs Union - no fucking way, UK would get no say in new trade deals.

That's Corbyn's favourite. If he whips Labour MPs then...

FFS. Seriously?

 

[DaGaffer]

3 million now

I’d love to add my name but as a mere Briton abroad I wouldn’t want my vote being used by paranoid fantasists as evidence of foreign meddling. Brexit means Brexit.

 

[Deebs]

I’d love to add my name but as a mere Briton abroad I wouldn’t want my vote being used by paranoid fantasists as evidence of foreign meddling. Brexit means Brexit.

Do it, you haven't lived outside of the UK for 15 years or longer so your voice is still legally valid.

 

[Deebs]

Think they got the headline wrong:




View: https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1108953737685430272

 

[DaGaffer]

Do it, you haven't lived outside of the UK for 15 years or longer so your voice is still legally valid.

Voted but its taking a while for my confirm email link to come through; I wonder how many votes are being held up by that?

 

[Deebs]

Voted but its taking a while for my confirm email link to come through; I wonder how many votes are being held up by that?

They replied yesterday saying there is a massive delay. Most likely they are throttling the emails to the various ISPs so they don't get marked as a source of spam unless the Governcunts managed to get a nice whitelisted email IP or range.

Also many people found that the reply email was in their junk/spam folder. Anyway, you should have it within 24 hours.

 

[Scouse]

Well my mate said it will be fine so that cancels it out.
Im pretty sure all remainers think it will be painful.
This is hardly news.

The leader of this country, who's clear aim is to take us out of the EU in some form, says we "voted for pain".

She's not your mate. She's in charge of the whole thing. So if she hasn't got a handle on it - if she doesn't understand what it means economically - then nobody does. So, we can take it as read that leaving will be painful. It's out of the horses mouth.

Do you think if people knew the truth at the time - that it IS going to hurt us to leave (rather than free up £350million/week for the NHS) - that 52% of people would still have voted the way they did?

 

[Job]

Maybe she meant her pain.
That sounds a lot better.

It will not play out anything like the fear machine is propaganderising...(might not be a word atm)...

Any no deal break will hit the EUs mission very hard and the people on the continent who will take the exact same hit will look to the EU to ask how they let this happen.
It would be a fucking PR disaster, as the German minister pointed out.
Its like losing the 19 bottom countries at once.

Anyway, theyll have emergency meetings and stop the clock meetings and promises to do shit and fudge the whole thing.

The EU is still fucked though, its not going to fold, but its globalist, anti nationalist hive mind, drone population dreams are in tatters.

 

[Scouse]

Stop talking about the fucking EU @Job and talk about the questions asked.

The PM said in a meeting of leaders that the UK "voted for pain".

If we knew that at the time, instead of the now completely obvious £350m/week lie, do you think the country would have voted that way?

Simple question. Yes/no.

 

[caLLous]

Standard Life moves €19bn in assets to Dublin to protect against Brexit

 

[Deebs]

I hate the cow but I did have a little chuckle when I watched her video:


View: https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1109164019124973569

 

[caLLous]

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

The Brexit farce is about to turn to tragedy

Britain is paying for its ignorance of how the EU actually works

Welcome to Disneyland. Leading Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg is playing Mickey Mouse as the sorcerer’s apprentice from Fantasia; Theresa May is the wicked witch from Snow White — though she is short on magic. Across the pond, an evil ogre known as Donald Trump is waiting to eat us all up.

It’s grim; but it’s a great learning experience. Has anyone learnt? Has former Brexit secretary David Davis worked out that his plan to leave the EU while retaining “the exact same benefits” as staying in the single market, was a little ambitious? Or that the Germans actually care more about the integrity of the EU than about selling Brits BMWs? Has Michael Gove finally noticed that we did not after all “hold all the cards” the day after we voted to leave? Has anyone worked out that frictionless trade is quite complicated, and that the dreary Brussels machinery does a good job for us?

We shouldn’t count on it. It is easier to blame others. Britain triggered Article 50 without having a clue what we wanted or how we were going to get it. The European Commission, by contrast, knew exactly what it was doing: the diplomats in Brussels are masters of negotiation. After all, they have been doing it for years — for us, and for the rest of the EU. Notice that they take direction from their political masters at the start, consult them as they go along, and return to them at the end. The commission is dealing with sovereign states. Our government might consider doing the same with its sovereign parliament.

Another lesson: the EU is bigger than Britain. If we leave without an agreement, that is a nuisance for the EU — about 10 per cent of their trade is with us. For us, they represent 49 per cent and no deal risks being a catastrophe. The idea that this is an important bargaining chip is ridiculous. One day — we cannot ignore our neighbours forever — we will be back at the table, helpless on our side, furious on theirs.

Why is the EU being so nasty? We thought we were friends. So we were: in the EU you do business with each other every day, no matter what. In the days when we were hardly speaking to the Germans about Iraq, we still worked together to stop other members cheating on milk quotas. You never break up completely. The EU is a system of compulsory friendships.

But, with apologies to Shakespeare, take that bond away, “untune that string, and hark, what discord follows”. When you choose to be an outsider, you are treated as one. The smallest insiders (Dublin in the case of Brexit) matter more than the biggest outsider (us). The systems we have helped build up over the years must be defended against outsiders seeking special privileges. There is no way of being half in and half out, no having cake and eating it. The dish turns out to be humble pie, anyway.

It is late to be learning lessons. Why did the UK not bring in those who learnt them long ago? John Major, Chris Patten and Jonathan Hill, for example. What foolishness to lose Ivan Rogers, who presumably resigned as the UK’s permanent representative to the EU because he told the truth. Why did the government not make use of John Kerr, who drafted Article 50 and Stephen Wall who wrote the history of Britain and the EU? Now a new volume is needed. The ignorance of Westminster about Europe is appalling — we have some good MEPs who could help, but they don’t have security passes for the House of Commons.

How remarkable that 27 sovereign states have worked so well together when the UK is so divided. Mrs May talks about delivering for the 17m who voted to Leave. What about the others? Wouldn’t the government be in a stronger position if it had built a bipartisan consensus?

There are two big lessons. First we are paying the price of our failure for years to explain the EU. What is it for? Security. It delivers good political relations among neighbours — the best guarantee of security you can get. We have benefited very directly from this. Being in the EU together meant that for the first time we worked with Dublin as equals. That, and the open border, enabled peace in Ireland. In Britain, no one noticed. The EU is a political project: the customs union and the single market are means to an end. Why did no one tell us?

The second lesson is that we are governed by the parties for the parties. The system would never get past a decent competition regulator. Most people know that it makes no difference how they vote. We are the oldest parliamentary democracy, and it shows.

Government by slogan does not work. Are we taking back control or handing it over to Brussels? By the time we find out, it will be too late. If the UK prime minister had a sense of humour, she would set up the committee of inquiry now, so it could take evidence in real time, as the tragedy unfolds.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

4,000,000 now.
How many is that "in spirit" ?

 

[caLLous]

"Still 13.4m to go hehehe"

- Leave voters, probably

 

[Scouse]

"Still 13.4m to go hehehe"

- Leave voters, probably

Fair point tho...

 

[Gwadien]

Fair point tho...

Not really.

Getting your average joe to sign a petition is nigh on impossible.

 

[Job]

Tbh I am rather concerned about us ending up on this list of presumably racist xenophobic shitholes.

List of non-EU countries - Taxation and Customs Union - European Commission

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/1109086108426690561

 

[Job]

All you need is a postcode and the internet...so you could hardly call it secure, but who cares anyway.
Shall we just accept in spirit that all remainers would have signed it, plus a shed load of previous brexiters who fall for the propaganda and probably fell for money on a bus and should be excused from voting anywsy.

 

[Deebs]

All you need is a postcode and the internet...so you could hardly call it secure, but who cares anyway.
Shall we just accept in spirit that all remainers would have signed it, plus a shed load of previous brexiters who fall for the propaganda and probably fell for money on a bus and should be excused from voting anywsy.

And an email address which is emailed a verification link which you have to click.