Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[caLLous]

People’s Vote march doesn’t represent the majority, Farage tells 200 people

 

[Scouse]

People’s Vote march doesn’t represent the majority, Farage tells 200 people

That explains the video screen in the park.

The walk from the Horse and Groom in Lindby to Beeston would go past it, then through the worst bits of nottingham, full of the white working class racists you'd associate with Farage, before ending up in student-land, middle class, remain-voting beeston.

Would have taken them all day tho. It's a long old way.

 

[Gwadien]

Its all smoke and mirrors now, the EU might agree their usual last minute face saving apparent deal at the post like they always do with a new PM.
If brexit is postponed past the EU elections and they get trounced by nationalist parties, then punishing Britain will suddenly become much more difficult.
The EU is on a knife edge here, the EU all you remainers long for is fast transitioning into a xenophobic, anti globalist anti immigration cesspit.
In fact that was the biggest pro EU march it has seen, we have every chance of leaving and becoming the liberal light for Europe.
Lifes weird like that.

Try replacing 'what will happen' with 'what I want to happen'

Makes you look less insane

 

[Job]

We are the only country in Europe without a powerful nationalist party.


I know the narrative still lingers that we are the racist xenophobes in the hive mind.
But no..its now continental Europe and whos fault would that be ?
The Kremlin?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Listening to the politicians is seems that Referendum 2.0 is an feasible option. The Lannister bitch is living on borrowed time, good.

 

[Moriath]

The ref 2.0 should be mays deal or no deal. Not in or out again tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

Why would you put an option in that no-one in the UK would want?

5 million on the petition now.

 

[Job]

The European Union has bigger problems to deal with than Brexit

 

[Bodhi]

Why would you put in an option that has already lost, unless you wanted people to keep voting until they give the right answer?

 

[Job]

Why would you put an option in that no-one in the UK would want?

5 million on the petition now.

So 12 million remainers who cant be arsed to click three times with a mouse.

 

[Wij]

Bigger than the Iraq march:


View: https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1109534678141276160

 

[Wij]

Why would you put in an option that has already lost, unless you wanted people to keep voting until they give the right answer?

Because way less than 50% of the population support May’s deal or no deal. It’s democratic.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Why would you put in an option that has already lost, unless you wanted people to keep voting until they give the right answer?

And to be fair this is exactly what May has done in parliament, and would merrily try to do again if there was a whiff of a chance that the result would be different. And on neither of the previous two attempts was the result any where near as close as the referendum result.

 

[Job]

Its a shit deal.
2 million people you dont want behind you while trying to bargain a deal.
This march does nothing except weaken our position.

Nothing..but a show of weakness.

 

[Gwadien]

Its a shit deal.
2 million people you dont want behind you while trying to bargain a deal.
This march does nothing except weaken our position.

Nothing..but a show of weakness.

?

The deal is already there, the EU aren't going to change it.

 

[caLLous]

Leavers should be all for a remain option being on the ballot, seeing as they're apparently so confident that they'd "win" again. Plus, people actually have a clue what the implications of each option are now, whereas to say that they did the first time around is just a lie. Plus, maybe we could have one without Russia sticking their oar in to influence the result. Lots of perfectly valid reasons, the only reason Leave voters wouldn't want that option is because they know full well that they "won" the first one with the help of a lie-fueled, rule-breaking campaign and they wouldn't "win" it a second time.

 

[caLLous]

Its a shit deal.
2 million people you dont want behind you while trying to bargain a deal.
This march does nothing except weaken our position.

Nothing..but a show of weakness.

Yeah, *this* is what makes the UK look weak. Everything else just oozes "strong and stable". Fucking hell.

 

[Job]

Seriously we had a vote, leave 'won', we go to the EU to discuss terms, considering this is the biggest calamity to strike the EU since its formation..its going to be difficult.
What would be the last thing you would want?

How about 17 million remain voters and the compliant media spending three years ripping the shit out of brexit, personally attacking all involved, claiming every leave voter is an idiot and then organising a 2 million strong pro EU march.
The EU are just sat there smiling looking over Mays shoulder...

 

[Scouse]

We are the only country in Europe without a powerful nationalist party.

The Tories.

Our Prime Minister hates "citizens of the world" and is, frankly, a fucking facist.

How nationalist do they have to be to satisfy you?

 

[Scouse]

The ref 2.0 should be mays deal or no deal. Not in or out again tbh.

I think it should be something along the lines of:

1) No deal - out.
2) May's deal.
3) Labour's preferred option.
4) Norway style thing.
5) We've changed our minds, stay, no change.

PLUS: A list of, say, five things that are indicative of what we actually want in the case of renegotiating a deal. We can prioritise by 1 > 5.

E.G. Do we want to restrict freedom of movement? - an answer either way to that question alone informs the possibilities of the above.


Nothing short of that can give parliament a steer on what the UK actually wants.

I know you want 1) @Moriath, but lets face it - the original referendum was a ploy by Cameron to fuck over an extreme section of his own party. It wasn't detailed enough for us to be able to give a clear steer to parliament on what we actually wanted. (Brexit means Brexit? What does Brexit actually mean? - it's a meaningless soundbite - because "brexit" absolutely means different things to different people).

A yes/no question infantilises the UK. We're NOT too dumb to understand and to make decisions based on good information.

The last one was clearly not based on good information - £350m/pw for the NHS? We now know that was an absolute lie and have a very good idea of the economics.


In or out? I'm still mostly on the fence myself really. I absolutely see the need for reform within the EU. But I can see it's going to hurt us a lot to leave, and I'm not sure what we're going to get by leaving that would improve our day-to-day lives in any way.

I literally can't think of a single advantage of leaving. And that's why I lean more towards remain - because nobody has made a good positive case for leaving. "If we leave - this is the country we can expect to have".

 

[Job]

The Tories.

Our Prime Minister hates "citizens of the world" and is, frankly, a fucking facist.

How nationalist do they have to be to satisfy you?

Shes a remainer..I mean really.

 

[Job]

I think it should be something along the lines of:

1) No deal - out.
2) May's deal.
3) Labour's preferred option.
4) Norway style thing.
5) We've changed our minds, stay, no change.

PLUS: A list of, say, five things that are indicative of what we actually want in the case of renegotiating a deal. We can prioritise by 1 > 5.

E.G. Do we want to restrict freedom of movement? - an answer either way to that question alone informs the possibilities of the above.


Nothing short of that can give parliament a steer on what the UK actually wants.

I know you want 1) @Moriath, but lets face it - the original referendum was a ploy by Cameron to fuck over an extreme section of his own party. It wasn't detailed enough for us to be able to give a clear steer to parliament on what we actually wanted. (Brexit means Brexit? What does Brexit actually mean? - it's a meaningless soundbite - because "brexit" absolutely means different things to different people).

A yes/no question infantilises the UK. We're NOT too dumb to understand and to make decisions based on good information.

The last one was clearly not based on good information - £350m/pw for the NHS? We now know that was an absolute lie and have a very good idea of the economics.


In or out? I'm still mostly on the fence myself really. I absolutely see the need for reform within the EU. But I can see it's going to hurt us a lot to leave, and I'm not sure what we're going to get by leaving that would improve our day-to-day lives in any way.

I literally can't think of a single advantage of leaving. And that's why I lean more towards remain - because nobody has made a good positive case for leaving. "If we leave - this is the country we can expect to have".

No Scouse you cherry pick was dumb and isnt depending on the voter.

I will say that voting out of the EU was a part emotional, exestential leap, the very fundamentals of how people and government interact, a vote on the future of a country and its relationship with its history.
A glorious and honourable decision..anti globalist..anti corporation..anti hive.
Remainers have reduced it to money, the possibility of a small inconvenience in a 1st world country.

They are weak of soul and substance and today they have weakened us all.

Lets head for the hills!

No..its dangerous out there.

 

[Wij]

Seriously we had a vote, leave 'won', we go to the EU to discuss terms, considering this is the biggest calamity to strike the EU since its formation..its going to be difficult.
What would be the last thing you would want?

How about 17 million remain voters and the compliant media spending three years ripping the shit out of brexit, personally attacking all involved, claiming every leave voter is an idiot and then organising a 2 million strong pro EU march.
The EU are just sat there smiling looking over Mays shoulder...

Ah, the blame it on traitors within argument. This is expected:

One thing now unites Britons – a sense of national humiliation | Nick Cohen

 

[Job]

Thats just media propaganda, they are selling the humiliation to fit an agenda.

And that Guardian prick is not talking for us all hes just spouting remainer rhetoric.

 

[Scouse]

No Scouse you cherry pick was dumb and isnt depending on the voter.

I literally have no idea what this sentence means.

Does anybody know what this means? I don't think I can even try to decipher a meaning from it. Anyone?

No point asking @Job. I think he's typing such rubbish because my suggestion for a referendum that's actually meaningful and would once and for all show *exactly* what the UK wants has sent him into a full-on meltdown.

 

[caLLous]

I will say that voting out of the EU was a part emotional, exestential leap, the very fundamentals of how people and government interact, a vote on the future of a country and its relationship with its history.
A glorious and honourable decision..anti globalist..anti corporation..anti hive.

Make your mind up, you called it an anti-immigration vote just a few weeks ago.

 

[Job]

Obvious typo,.I meant wots dumb and isnt innit.

 

[Job]

Make your mind up, you called it an anti-immigration vote just a few weeks ago.

Everytime I post that Scouse hits his F4 key that has 'Ha you admit youre a Nazi 'coded on to it.

 

[Job]

I literally have no idea what this sentence means.

Does anybody know what this means? I don't think I can even try to decipher a meaning from it. Anyone?

No point asking @Job. I think he's typing such rubbish because my suggestion for a referendum that's actually meaningful and would once and for all show *exactly* what the UK wants has sent him into a full-on meltdown.

I lost what I was going for then and got all poetic.
The ref was emotional.

We cant ask again and any 2nd ref with a version of that is a no no.
I will admit that question concerning the extent of any deal , that has the obvious red lines of no EU influence outside of normal relations within trading countries are best left to the experts.
Asking the general public to make a decision outside of a political stance is pointless.
We havent got a clue as a collective and would probably vote for the nicest logo.

 

[Scouse]

We havent got a clue as a collective and would probably vote for the nicest logo.

Ah. I get it.

You don't believe in democracy and that we shouldn't have a say on how we govern ourselves because we're all dumb.

Kinda makes the first referendum null and void doesn't it. We voted for the pretty 350m logo after all.


Anyway. I'm not really interested in talking to someone with political rabies. I was replying to @Moriath as it's nice to see him posting again