Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

If you were an MP would you vote for or against it?

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Yoni

Yoni

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The remainers I socialise with and I also agree with wanted to stay in Europe to avoid having to have a terribad deal with US. The discussion about time was not had (except with getting a new deal with the EU) - it was clear for us that we did not want to deal with the US.

I really do not understand why the government are now going back on their agreement or risking the GFA - I guess with the majority some of you gave them tempeh believe they can do what ever they like for the next four years ..

Sadly good old blighty will have a double whammy from cv19 and no deals with anyone in 2021 - I worry for the few members of direct family left in the UK that will be affected but as we have been repeatedly told the result is the result and the UK need to live by it regardless of the devastating effect it will have on the economy - even without CV19..
 
Yoni

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Seriously I find this behavoir disgusting - the effect on their own citizens let alone the poor EU citizens in the UK is really really terrible - I really feel lucky to be a citizen of the country I live in and that I made the right decision when the Brexit vote went to leave and did not pin my hopes on my status being unaffected after the transition period as many many many UK citizens living in EU countries have.

Effect of UK governments fiddling with the WDA
 
DaGaffer

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Embattle said:
Good God you lot chat shit, I mean now hoisting the US trade deal as an argument is just plain silly since most on the remain side complained about the insignificance of it in terms of volumes or that it'll delivered on the back of a chlorinated chicken.

However I've yet to find a reason or figure out why the government felt the need to diddle with the withdrawal agreement, I don't particularly like it.
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Its not just the US trade deal, its ANY trade deal. Why would any country deal with this shower of lying duplicitous cunts?
 
Wij

Wij

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DaGaffer said:
Its not just the US trade deal, its ANY trade deal. Why would any country deal with this shower of lying duplicitous cunts?
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Japan just did apparently but I wouldn't expect them to come pouring in now.
 
Embattle

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DaGaffer said:
Its not just the US trade deal, its ANY trade deal. Why would any country deal with this shower of lying duplicitous cunts?
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That wasn't my point.

Personally I would like to see the Internal bill voted down.
 
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Hawkwind

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DaGaffer said:
Its not just the US trade deal, its ANY trade deal. Why would any country deal with this shower of lying duplicitous cunts?
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NZ trying to get a deal quickly as possible. Getting upset at the time it is taking.
 
Ormorof

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To Boris and his gang laws are more sort of guidelines than anything to be taken seriously
 
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Japan trade deal commits UK to stricter state aid curbs than in EU talks
Contrasting positions could undermine negotiating stance with Brussels

The UK’s new trade deal with Japan commits it to tougher restrictions on state aid than the ones it is currently offering the EU in the Brexit talks, potentially undermining its negotiating position with Brussels.

In the bilateral UK-Japan agreement announced in principle on Friday, London and Tokyo have agreed to replicate the restrictions on subsidies in the EU-Japan deal that went into effect last year. That agreement prohibits the governments from indefinitely guaranteeing the debts of struggling companies or providing an open-ended bailout without a clear restructuring plan in place.

By contrast, the UK has repeatedly told the EU that it must have total freedom over state aid after the end of the Brexit transition period with complete autonomy over future subsidy decisions, subject to WTO rules.

The so-called level-playing-field issues have become the main sticking point in the EU-UK negotiations, with London resisting Brussels’s demands for it to remain within the tough EU state aid regime.

Britain’s proposal to the EU would merely require each side to notify the other of subsidies rather than restricting them. Its offer replicates the EU’s commitments in earlier bilateral trade deals, such as the one with Canada that went into force in 2017.

A government spokesman said: “The UK offer to the EU is based on the arrangements agreed between Canada and the EU.

“The UK-Japan agreement contains similar commitments, including on transparency about subsidies awarded and consultations over any concerns about those subsidies which may affect the other party.”

However, the contradiction between the two positions has created consternation within the UK government.

A person familiar with internal Whitehall deliberations said that the UK’s chief Brexit negotiator David Frost had raised concerns that Liz Truss, international trade secretary, had given more away to Japan on level playing field issues than was being offered to Brussels.

One ally of Ms Truss said that the state aid elements of the Japan deal were “just a standard clause in any free trade agreement” rather than a more generous concession. “The idea that we’ve given too much away is rubbish as far as I’m concerned.”

Trade experts said it would be awkward for the UK to maintain contrasting positions in two sets of talks.

George Peretz, a barrister at the Monckton legal chambers in London, said: “The provisions on state aid in the EU-Japan FTA create some quite hard-edged commitments not to provide open-ended government support to companies.

“If the UK-Japan FTA replicates those provisions, the UK will need to legislate to ensure that British public bodies do not contravene them. That could well compromise the UK’s negotiating position with the EU, where it has not offered anything like that level of commitment.”

But some lawyers also stressed that the subsidy rules in the Japan bilateral deal were still weak compared with the detailed and invasive EU state aid regime.

James Webber, a partner at the law firm Shearman & Sterling, said: “It’s a concession of sorts by the UK, but if this is where the negotiations end up, it will be much closer to the UK’s view of the world than the EU’s.”

A government spokesperson said: “In all our trade negotiations, including with the EU and with Japan, we consistently make proposals which provide for open and fair competition, on the basis of high standards, in a way which is appropriate to a modern free trade agreement between sovereign and autonomous equals.”
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Wij

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But remember, we could have had chaos in the UK if he’d won in 2015 :)
 
Job

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The EU starts to back down in its endless attempts to rule Europe.
Could we just put a sign anove the fucking door.
You are a trading block...not an elected government.

www.theguardian.com

EU proposes to ditch refugee quotas for member states

Countries would be offered €10,000 an adult to take people in under ‘solidarity à la carte’ plan
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

If anyone saw the One show on bbc1 last night.
Jesus fucking christ...when in trouble just double down.
Nice little peice on migrants..no refugees..no asylum seekers.
Linkeker has opted to house a hand picked...one of the above...and they interviewed a hopeless liberal dick charity worker and the hopeless liberal idiot couple they got to house a 'child' 'refugee'.

To balance things out the interviewer said 'arent you encouraging people to come'.
Cue sad face.
These 'children' have come a long way.
Lets just ignore they are 90% adult male economic illegal migrants shall we...just push it under the car
 
Raven

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Job said:
The EU starts to back down in its endless attempts to rule Europe.
Could we just put a sign anove the fucking door.
You are a trading block...not an elected government.

www.theguardian.com

EU proposes to ditch refugee quotas for member states

Countries would be offered €10,000 an adult to take people in under ‘solidarity à la carte’ plan
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

If anyone saw the One show on bbc1 last night.
Jesus fucking christ...when in trouble just double down.
Nice little peice on migrants..no refugees..no asylum seekers.
Linkeker has opted to house a hand picked...one of the above...and they interviewed a hopeless liberal dick charity worker and the hopeless liberal idiot couple they got to house a 'child' 'refugee'.

To balance things out the interviewer said 'arent you encouraging people to come'.
Cue sad face.
These 'children' have come a long way.
Lets just ignore they are 90% adult male economic illegal migrants shall we...just push it under the car
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So are you saying child migrants shouldn't be housed? Or should we just go ahead and machine gun them in the channel?
 
Gwadien

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I also like the idea that people are sitting in their countries broke as fuck, thinking 'If I go to the UK, Gary Lineker will let me live in his house.'
 
Marc

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Jp Morgan moving 230billion from the uk to Germany.

But hey ho, less immigrants. Every cloud and all that
 
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