Please Dont ADD ffs!

[Tesla Monkor]

I find it endlessly amusing that some people consider 'roleplayer' to be an insult. Especially coming from the people who are afraid of it, like it's some kind of disease - when in reality roleplaying is something to be treasured.

Of course they all will claim they are perfectly able to roleplay when confronted with the fact that being able to look at the world from another's point of view is actually useful (it is, after all, acting.). That is all that roleplaying is, really. Looking at a situation from another point of view than your own, and reacting accordingly. That might be a useful skill in real-life as well, you know.

People who consider calling someone a roleplayer an insult basically have no idea what they are talking about.

Dorin: Sure, as long as he dies first.

 

[Alexandrinus]

is there going to roll an respectfull discussion on FH?who will be the first and trow everything back in the mud?.....

 

[Shike]

Shike,

what you say is reasonable and makes sense and of course getting run over by a mob of mindless thugs is not exactly funny. What is wrong with what you say is that essentially roleplaying as a misnomer. Don't forget that on these forums roleplaying was used as an insult and so it has a kind of very different meaning to what it actually is. If 3-4fg's of people are roleplaying (which I very much doubt it) by running on stick and zerging everything then they are being munchkin's by only playing to win no matter what.

I tend to agree with Bebopbo if there is roleplaying in the frontier it is likely to be quite short and certainly would not really be the focus of roaming around at random with 4 fg's. So remove the roleplaying label and call it what it really is and you might reduce some of the confusion. The problem is that roaming with 4fg's is so pointless - you could take a keep with 4 fg's - why don't those zergs go off and preoccupy themselves with keep taking or something else in a different zone of the game?

The problem is I am not totally sure if that would help the situation.

Anyway at least it your post was worded in a more reasonable way.

Sharkith

Get what you mean and I pretty much agree. I used the term since it is what some people actually "defend" their own silly behaviour with (I have absolutely nothing against roleplayers actually, on the contrary, really good roleplayers excel in manners and often show a very high lvl of maturity)

Roleplaying or not, it is war and the reason we participate in it is because it is supposed to be fun, for all. Arguably we can play the game as a straight up FPS and just not bother about anything at all but some ways of playing RvR makes the fun dissapear for alot of people, not just for the guildgroups running around trying to keep it to a FG (which is what many misses, adding on a fight ruins it for 2 sides if it is a good fight, not just the one you kill)

What I find funny is that when one realm become dominant in the zerging, all the others suddenly starts whining, if it aint overpowered then its power in numbers, they get blamed for zerging and ruining RVR. And the funniest of all is that it very often is the exact same people that have ran in zergs that whines the loudest. Is it fine to zerg and act like a pig, when you win? But when you get it done to you, it suddenly isnt?

For example, what if 8 good nightshades set one goal, to zerg scouts, for 6 months, to kill every single one of them, as soon as they set their foot in the frontier somewhere. I wonder, I really wonder what scouts on Prydwen would say after these 6 months, and during them. Would they cry? Would they whine? Would they just accept the rubbish and live with it like mids/hibs are forced to live with them as they play now? Or wouldnt they even bother?

I think they would QQ to a silly degree, with a right to do so aswell... but, would they actually understand why it was done to them? I dont think so, they wouldnt see the big picture, they would see themselves, gettin treated like trash, and thats about it. Egocentric and selfish behaviour is what colours many DAoCplayers sadly. Im guessing its an agething mainly. I aint saying all younglings out there are idiots but tbh, most are.

I want killspam, I want RPs, I want to kill, I dont give a shit if the soloer me and my 4 scoutbuddys just made a pincushion of logs because he aint enjoying it anymore, I, I, I, I ...... Or, I want to kill Maelstrom, I want Valgairs deathspam, I want RPs, I dont give a shit if we are 40 vs that FG, I dont give a shit if they log outta boredom thanks to mindless idiots, I dont give a shit if me and my 15 buddys just trashed an epic fight of 8 minutes between 2 groups, I, I, I, I... all that matters is I and nothing else but I. I! Right?

I think many when they log on changes and forget one thing, there are other humans playing those toons, even the enemys. Nobody think its fun to be bullied around, neither in real life or ingame, maybe it is so that insecure people get their chanse to "prove" their worth ingame somehow... I dunno... there are many things with people I just dont understand

 

[SkarIronfist]

I personally think that people need to be considerate to all the different play styles. Yes it may annoy you, but they pay their money and therefore get the right to play in a style they like. So ultimately they can say STFU.

If people can't tolerate both the Roleplayers and the RP farmers, then it could be time to A. Mature a little and B. Move to WoW (you may find people of your level in there, I haven't but I am still hoping).

I would rather people came out to RVR than PVEd and if they have to stick in a zerg to feel safe enough then so be it. Beating a larger number of players has a certain sense of achievement even if ultimately you go down under the numbers.

As many people have said, an opted group is run to be the most efficient and balanced group where damage and surviveability are foremost in the group. Its designed to maximise farmage, its what all games which allow a team element end up.

As to the original question of adding, it happens, it always will and it will happen alot more when we cluster, if you can't handle it then maybe its time to move on.

 

[Sharkith]

I think many when they log on changes and forget one thing, there are other humans playing those toons, even the enemys. Nobody think its fun to be bullied around, neither in real life or ingame, maybe it is so that insecure people get their chanse to "prove" their worth ingame somehow... I dunno... there are many things with people I just dont understand

This is the bottom line and I agree with your post.

It is a kind of playground mentality and everyone is guilty to some extent of bullying others into their 'own' playstyle. The sad fact of the matter is that those with numbers will always be able to dictate how the game is going to be played in any given evening and those who have an 'expectation' of a very specific evenings gaming (1 vs 1 and 8 vs 8) are more often than not going to be frustrated.

In this thread and in the other one that got deleted recently we had evidence of a fairly famous fg who have made their feelings known that they only want fg gaming. Those guys laughed when they were asked why they chased soloers around all over the place. That is bullying.

Likewise we have people from the scout zerg and the 3-4fg players coming along going its war! You are all going to die. That is bullying. It is equally bullying to expect non-opted fg's to compete on a 1 fg vs 1 fg basis with fully opted very good groups. So we have the whine.

I am not sure there is a good solution tbh I have no real experience of fg action - if there is a solution is suspect the fg versus fg people should probably sort it out themselves. I certainly do not have a clue how to do it.


Zerg begets zerg,
Add begets add,
Whine begets whine,
Scout begets scout to the power of 2

kind regards

Sharkith

 

[Deepflame]

I think many when they log on changes and forget one thing, there are other humans playing those toons, even the enemys. Nobody think its fun to be bullied around, neither in real life or ingame, maybe it is so that insecure people get their chanse to "prove" their worth ingame somehow... I dunno... there are many things with people I just dont understand

Hehe, I sometimes feel sorry for the guys I kill. They take an effort to come out and provide a fight only to get killed. Like that one time when I ran past Beno with some wood somewhere and a minstrel and I killed some Shadowblade. He got no realmpoints that run, yet had to sail all the way over. I usually don't RvR much though, so that saves me that problem. And when I RvR I usually just go to keeps with wood to help the repair fund or rez dead people, my main source of realmpoint income!

 

[Takitothemacs]

much adding I sense in you..


Adding leads to zerging


zerging leads to whining


whining leads to suffering


suffering leads to anger


anger leads to the dark side!



...now go play SWG (joking)

Keep playing and enjoy the game... it is however what we all do to have some fun... lets keep it like that

 

[Shike]

pft

Anger leads to hate and hate leads to the dark side!

 

[Belisar]

I made a some efforts not to add tonight.

First time I turned and ran away from a fight I got nuked in the back a few times and died.

I tried to apologise to the hib grp involved and was told not to worry as an alb grp had added anyway and they could have used my help.

Second time i popped up over a hill and got mezzed ( I assume ae mezz and I was in the wrong place at the wrong time) and then hit by a mid. I hit the mid back and he/she died before I realised that his/her grp was already engaged in a fight with a hib grp.

Again I apologised for adding and was told firstly "thanks" cos I assume that the hib I pm'd was close to death - and then almost laughed at cos they said if I was not too close I would not have got mezzed.

So what lessons have I learned from these two incidents - well tbh add and bugger it.

If you try to run you could get shot in the back 'cos you may realise not adding is the right thing to do but the enemy may not realise you are trying not to be involved in the fight.

If you do not add then an enemy may well so stuff the enemy when you can.

When you do add and apologise it is not always well received so why waste your breath (or typing fingers).

Perhaps I just had a bad night.

 

[stupeh]

It's true though? Don't go close enough to the fight while you decide if you should add or not, and you wouldn't be nuked anyway?

 

[Belisar]

It's true though? Don't go close enough to the fight while you decide if you should add or not, and you wouldn't be nuked anyway?

At times this is easier said than done.

Terrain can be a factor (as it was for my situation 2) when I popped up over a hill and did not realise what was happening beyond it.

Secondly I tend to react when I see an enemy - and that reaction is not to count numbers or look for friendly targets.

Given first mezz/cc often wins fights - reacting quickly is important/crucial. I am not going to be happy at dying because I am staring at my screen trying to work out if firstly a hib grp is there and secondly if the numbers are even. Saying to myself "well at least I did not add" is of limited comfort.

If I were playing a stealth class then I may get more time to make an informed decision - but as a bard or tank there is often less time to absorb the full picture.

We also have to recognise the ability of an enemy to see someone running away and thinking 'well there goes an easy target'. - Sadly in RvR I cannot check the list of alb/mid names versus a list of those who do not add themselves and therefore may well leave me alone.

 

[Shanaia]

much adding I sense in you..


Adding leads to zerging


zerging leads to whining


whining leads to suffering


suffering leads to anger


anger leads to the dark side!



...now go play SWG (joking)

Keep playing and enjoy the game... it is however what we all do to have some fun... lets keep it like that

Fucking hilarious Takit!

 

[Niko]

No respect to adding ppl.

 

[Hawkwind]

But using shit random setup with shit rog players and then complain about ppl who are smarter when it comes to making group setups + ppl who put the effort in getting top toa gear and ML´s is just bullshit deluxe, get a clue seriously

cant even be arsed to get decent template but crys when ppl who arent that lazy pwn him - hypocricy to the max rly

How the hell does having the time to ML + Arti + perfect template your char make you in anyway smarter? Or harder working. Just because some people have a life and family/work commitments outside of playing a computer game does not make them stupid or lazy. Many people play for fun and ML and Arti what they can, when they can. But in your world, I suppose these people are 'thick' and should have no part in your elite's only game world.

Get a frigging life mate. It's a game people play for fun and they should be able to. Elite kiddies syndrome is not making the game any better. most players want GOA to market the product better in the UK and get more players in the community. All you want to do is insult them, pathetic!

 

[Niko]

You rolled a scout and a firewiz, perhaps you feel hit by this thread orso uke: uke: uke:

 

[Bugz]

At times this is easier said than done.

Terrain can be a factor (as it was for my situation 2) when I popped up over a hill and did not realise what was happening beyond it.

Secondly I tend to react when I see an enemy - and that reaction is not to count numbers or look for friendly targets.

Given first mezz/cc often wins fights - reacting quickly is important/crucial. I am not going to be happy at dying because I am staring at my screen trying to work out if firstly a hib grp is there and secondly if the numbers are even. Saying to myself "well at least I did not add" is of limited comfort.

If I were playing a stealth class then I may get more time to make an informed decision - but as a bard or tank there is often less time to absorb the full picture.

We also have to recognise the ability of an enemy to see someone running away and thinking 'well there goes an easy target'. - Sadly in RvR I cannot check the list of alb/mid names versus a list of those who do not add themselves and therefore may well leave me alone.

Playing a bard myself i can only agree. When i see the enemy, i mezz, i don't consider anything else.

 

[Niko]

I just felt I had to put a few sents into this thread since I've whined a lot about adds.

This is how it is from my point of view;

We have the opted guild groups who only plays for the chance of getting an 8 vs 8 fight.

We have the guild/alliance groups who don't care so much and just do it for fun/realm points.

We have the pickup groups of ligen/svas/round table who does it for fun/realm points.

For example, opted guild group fighting Maelstrom.

The guild/alliance group of fairly high RR players with a lot of experience walks by or stands and watches the fight.

The fight is not determined yet, it has been 5 minutes now! Who will win?!

The pickup group spots the fight, rushes in and kills Maelstrom.

Now, why did they do this? Was it because of the realm points or because they wanted to help? Perhaps both?

In my opinion it was the realm points, atleast when it happend the 25th time.

I guess everyone plays this game for different reasons, how about if we try to respect eachothers reasons for playing instead of using a retarded background story as reason of totally ruining 8 dedicated peoples night of RvR?

You know exactly what you are doing when you are shooting on a group of 8 who are fighting 8 others. You are simply leeching, since you would just insta die if they stopped fighting and turned for you.

What's the point of getting realm rank when all you've done is killing defenceless players? There probably is someone who enjoys it, but I think most ppl know what I'm talking about here.

It's not that I don't want to share realm points with my realm, I simply just want fair fights.

If YOU can't respect that, then I wont respect you either.

Over and out.

 

[Demon2k3]

you are correcta in that post. but a matter of fact stil, some classes must add to get a chance to get any Rp's at all. i.e paladins aren't the greatest class you can play in RvR as my main is an paladin , had some nice 1vs1 fights vs rastafarion yesterday, no add aswell.

let's get to the point, it's really hard for me getting rp's for my paladin in fights as he get's targeted by elds, chanters, bd's , sm's and such first.
so somtimes i add on 3v3 fights or bigger, even tho i'm considering to add or not to add everytime.

 

[Adianna]

If YOU can't respect that, then I wont respect you either.

Oh you don't have to respect me, I don't care. You're probably a person I'd least like to fight with. Besides it won't change a thing. If you really think, all I am after are RPs then, believe it or not, you're completely wrong. I am after the first two Ms in MMORPG when I play DAoC. There are no fair fights in this game, there can't be any. It has a reason that there are 3 realms fighting each other. So if you ask what's the fun about adding and being added? It's unpredictable. That's the fun about RvR. If it would just be about fair fights and so on... I do play several tactic shooters. That's more or less fair and equal.

PS: I can respect that you want those fights, but that, as a matter of fact, is the complete contrary to my style of playing. So who's right is it now? Yours? Mine? Whose? As always the only thing I can suggest you, say your enemies who are after 8 vs 8 where you can be found and go a little of the track. You mustn't be surprised if you get added when you're in a zone with 1 player per square foot.

 

[Niko]

Oh you don't have to respect me, I don't care. You're probably a person I'd least like to fight with. Besides it won't change a thing. If you really think, all I am after are RPs then, believe it or not, you're completely wrong. I am after the first two Ms in MMORPG when I play DAoC. There are no fair fights in this game, there can't be any. It has a reason that there are 3 realms fighting each other. So if you ask what's the fun about adding and being added? It's unpredictable. That's the fun about RvR. If it would just be about fair fights and so on... I do play several tactic shooters. That's more or less fair and equal.

I don't expect a majority to understand, and yes, you pay your subs you do what you want, 15 vs 11 football IRL too? kk m8s

 

[Adianna]

I don't expect a majority to understand, and yes, you pay your subs you do what you want, 15 vs 11 football IRL too? kk m8s

I don't like football, so I couldn't care less about that.

 

[Niko]

I don't like football, so I couldn't care less about that.

I see, and the 2 M's stands for massive multiplayer, which seriously doesn't mean you have to be spineless. But as I said, everyone has different ways of playing DAoC, yours is zerging, so be it.

 

[Adianna]

PS: I can respect that you want those fights, but that, as a matter of fact, is the complete contrary to my style of playing. So who's right is it now? Yours? Mine? Whose? As always the only thing I can suggest you, say your enemies who are after 8 vs 8 where you can be found and go a little of the track. You mustn't be surprised if you get added when you're in a zone with 1 player per square foot.

Perhaps I've written that a little to late for you to read it... so... that's all that can be said about that.

There are no official rules on adding and I guess there won't ever be. So it is up to you to make your fights. I don't complain about being added or not being added, that's fine by me. If you don't like that, you should think about doing something different. E.g. name yourselves an area for the night where you can have your fights without interference, no tower/keep raiding and so on. Best choose something where no one else will be.

On most RL sports, there is a limited number of players discribed in the ruleset as it is with Football, Rugby, Tennis... and so on... the limited number of DAoC is an overall of 3500 as it is the maximum number of players that can be logged in simultaniously.

 

[Niko]

Perhaps I've written that a little to late for you... so... that's all that can be said about that.

There are no official rules on adding and I guess there won't ever be. So it is up to you to make your fights. I don't complain about being added or not being added, that's fine by me. If you don't like that, you should think about doing something different. E.g. name yourselves an area for the night where you can have your fights without interference, no tower/keep raiding and so on. Best choose something where no one else will be.

On most RL sports, there is a limited number of players discribed in the ruleset as it is with Football, Rugby, Tennis... and so on... the limited number of DAoC is an overall of 3500 as it is the maximum number of players that can be logged in simultaniously.

Yes and all you have to do to not add is just simply control your fingers, I'm fully aware of that there is no rules about adding, but you can still have some sort of honor. :touch:

You're not only ruining the fight for your enemies, also for your "allies". Think of that :/

 

[Belisar]

This is how it is from my point of view;

We have the opted guild groups who only plays for the chance of getting an 8 vs 8 fight.

The guild/alliance group of fairly high RR players with a lot of experience walks by or stands and watches the fight.

I guess everyone plays this game for different reasons, how about if we try to respect eachothers reasons for playing instead of using a retarded background story as reason of totally ruining 8 dedicated peoples night of RvR?

You know exactly what you are doing when you are shooting on a group of 8 who are fighting 8 others. You are simply leeching, since you would just insta die if they stopped fighting and turned for you.

What's the point of getting realm rank when all you've done is killing defenceless players?

Got no problem doing my best to respect they way other people want to play the game. As I posted before I made a determined effort last night. However just want to pick uup on a few things you said.

You want to play 8 vs 8 - so are you telling us that Maelstrom, PE or your group would not attack a group of 6 enemy that they see ? Let's see, you want 8 vs 8, you want fair fights, 8 vs 6 is not fair so I guess if I took a group of 6 out I am safe from opted guild groups !!!! Yeah right.

Part of what you talk about makes sense to me the higher RR/more experienced players could be in a better position to make judgements on what is going on, sadly not all the players immediately fit those categories. The voice coms that most of the fixed groups use also helps, far quicker to say "don't add" than type it when someone who knows no better runs in.

Most random groups (even opted ones) would insta die by taking on the likes of Maelstrom in a fg vs fg fight. Yup I agree with that in which case the fight is hardly a fair one. Fair means both sides have a good chance of winning. So are you telling us that if your group saw a fg of enemy that your conversation would be - let's not hit them as we can see they are not Mael/PE etc I think not - I suspect you would jump in and kill them as fast as possible.

You may have lots of rps and ra's but I suspect a fair few of them have been smacking enemy who were not as good as you, not as opted as you or smaller numbers than you.

I still cannot work out why those of you who want fg vs fg fights do not agree to find a small corner of the realm to go play in away from the main RvR areas. You moan about adds but continue to run in the places where you will get them. Instead of moaning why not do something about it. Ah but ofc then you will have no easy prey to grab some rps on.

You want respect but clearly have no thought for your fellow gamers the process needs to be both ways.

 

[Adianna]

Yes and all you have to do to not add is just simply control your fingers, I'm fully aware of that there is no rules about adding, but you can still have some sort of honor. :touch:

You're not only ruining the fight for your enemies, also for your "allies". Think of that :/

As I said, move off to somewhere else if you don't want to see your realm mates fighting alongside. The only "honourable" option in this game for me is to fight an enemy when possible.

Now what if you'd move off to another area? You'd get less rp from randoms, yup. You'd get less rp as running around a little longer before finding something to fight. You'd get almost only "fair" 8 vs 8 fights. Wouldn't that be exactly what you want if you don't care about RP?

 

[Niko]

@Belisar

I completly understand what you are saying, though 6 players would be considered a threat, and yes they would try to attack you.

And belive me we do move from the hotspots, even THEN the ranger/scout/hunter manages to pop from nowhere, or just a roaming group who are looking for other FG's.


And Belisar, we ran fg with our GG as RR5, we died about 15 times and got like 10k rps a night, for a while, though we worked out our problems and learned how to play together.

 

[Adianna]

And belive me we do move from the hotspots, even THEN the ranger/scout/hunter manages to pop from nowhere, or just a roaming group who are looking for other FG's.

So that is why you fought on DC Bridge? That is moving away from the hotspots for you? :touch:

Moving away from the hotspots would be Yggdra Forest, Uppland, Snowdownia (and Forest Sauvage). Mids could port in Crimthainn, Albs could port in Behnn... so I'd say Breifine and especially Emain Macha were the hotspot zones of the night.

 

[Niko]

So that is why you fought on DC Bridge? That is moving away from the hotspots for you? :touch:

Moving away from the hotspots would be Yggdra Forest, Uppland, Snowdownia (and Forest Sauvage). Mids could port in Crimthainn, Albs could port in Behnn... so I'd say Breifine and especially Emain Macha were the hotspot zones of the night.

You must have been halucinating if you saw Legacy on DC bridge m8, havnt lead my group to a bridge for ages :x

And if you're talking about me and Akimi yesterday, it's because we have more chances of finding small groups around those areas.

 

[Adianna]

Well then don't complain then. You will achieve nothing... but well except amusing us perhaps. Because the only thing I can do when I see a GG complaining about adding, is laugh. If you ask for reasons, see the initial posting from Bebop.