Petition for savage dps buff nerf!

[poky]

Svartmetall. Notice the name of the guy hes hitting? yep COUGAR high rr savage etc.

Savage was never nerfed. they where "fixed" giving additional triples hits and less quad hits. self buffs lowered in duration by half.

When my merc gets 2-3 shotted every time in RvR by most savages over rr4 I consider it fucked up. especially with the speed they have.

LA was overpowered pre nerf hell yeah. but nothing compared to the savage dmg.

A savage today is 50 times more effective killing machine than a Pre nerf zerk.

You got rr2 savage wtf do u know?

try play anything than mid and get hit by those truckers that can 3-4 shot a paladin (with luck maybe, but still FUCKED UP)

heh before being a smartass... read the textcarefully.. its not cougar hes hitting its cougaar.. a bb if I remember correctly. The attacker is cougar though so yer almost right

Might also wanna add that those pics are showing capdmg with no selfhaste, and yes savages capdamage is very high, and also hard to reach due to low weaponskill..

That being said, yes savages has the highest dmg over time among the lighttanks, and also very uneven dmgoutput, which makes it hard to heal.

And no prenerf LA did more dmg

 

[Klonk]

The former quote where you said it's not hard to do two things at once - spreadheal and observe.

T.T I didn't whine about spreadheal anywhere, in fact I called you a poor excuse of a healer because all you use to heal is spreadheal.

Well, you were the one to mention spreadheals as a sign of overpoweredness in this thread tbh. And I still don't see where I claim that all I have to do are those two things, I said it's easy doing more things at one time, as opposed to doing only one thing - I'm sure you know what multitasking is The two things I mentioned were examples, but it was not a full list of my actions as healer in rvr. I thought that was obvious by implication.

And what do I care if you think I am a poor healer? I don't care, you haven't even seen me play, if you think you can get to rr6 by pressing spreadheal button at random places while reading a book, think again. Play your char the way you want, I play mine in a way I and my guild is satisfied with

Btw: we are still discussing savages here, so if you are only here to call me a "poor excuse for a healer" then you might want to start your own thread/poll/petition, as it doesn't seem you have anything to contribute to this debate.

 

[Dorin]

p0x new thread on us plz with more flamez!

 

[Chimaira]

And no prenerf LA did more dmg

Without good haste buff and celerity no qui troll zerks with slow axes hit kinda slow tbh.

so the dmg a savage can do in short time the zerk did much slower but more per hit prolly.

mainhand of a pre nerf zerk varied from 300-650 orso mostly.

IIRC

 

[poky]

Without good haste buff and celerity no qui troll zerks with slow axes hit kinda slow tbh.

so the dmg a savage can do in short time the zerk did much slower but more per hit prolly.

mainhand of a pre nerf zerk varied from 300-650 orso mostly.

IIRC

it did.. however the cap was much higher

 

[Ormorof]

Without good haste buff and celerity no qui troll zerks with slow axes hit kinda slow tbh.

so the dmg a savage can do in short time the zerk did much slower but more per hit prolly.

mainhand of a pre nerf zerk varied from 300-650 orso mostly.
IIRC

if you are talking about opted groups in this thread (which they seem to be since they only want to talk about rr7 savages ) most mid groups will have an aug healer and so good haste and celerity, so zerker will probably hit for capped speed, my zerker hits for 150-500 damage depending on whether im hitting plate or cloth

and thats valkyn zerker, troll zerkers using sun axes probably hit higher (think guildy said he was hitting 300-600 a hit, thats rr4 troll zerker using 2x sun axes )

savages dont have consistency unless they are over rr5 tbh zerkers have good damage from rr1 thats why they are better

 

[Chimaira]

savages dont have consistency unless they are over rr5 tbh zerkers have good damage from rr1 thats why they are better

I like Berserkers. just hate that I work so much so I have no time to play alb hardly. even less mid

 

[Ormorof]

well hopefully now that albs have all str relics on prydwen they wont whine as much about savages

 

[cougar]

i liek mielk

 

[Cracked]

Man, i gotta make a savage someday and see what all the fuzz is about.

 

[p0x]

Yhyh new thread closed already, only 6 pages

 

[cougar]

why do they close it?

 

[p0x]

Mods prolly play savages

 

[Teh FnoRd]

why do they close it?

can it be that savage nerf-cries often end up in flamewars?

 

[Ilum]

get some real logs, and start a new thread with them.

 

[p0x]

can it be that savage nerf-cries often end up in flamewars?

Well thats the retarded "HAHA FUK U WE INVITED MCDONALDS LOLZ" -americans, should moderate them, not my thread :|

 

[Driwen]

Well thats the retarded "HAHA FUK U WE INVITED MCDONALDS LOLZ" -americans, should moderate them, not my thread :|

thats 90% of the replies you will get and its not like you started of nice with an explanation why dps buff is overpowered. So I doubt you expected any meaningfull posts.

 

[Teh FnoRd]

thats 90% of the replies you will get and its not like you started of nice with an explanation why dps buff is overpowered. So I doubt you expected any meaningfull posts.

Amen

 

[Sycho]

Check sig, was small test we did(mumin from excal, a zerk from usa servers, myself and sharwyn from prydwen)

All had similar speed weapons(also qui and haste was similar) but we calculated dps BEFORE resists, so basically we completely ignored them.Mumin calculated it all and worked them out to be what it is below, least he's honest like a few of them out there.

 

[Sycho]

Also forgot to state, the targets had all same abs(19%, i.e scout for me, savage for the zerk and blademaster tested on another blademaster)

Of course the test wasn't very long(30 styles or so), but we could do some real tests(i.e same stats, same qui/haste, 100+ styles), i still think the dps will be similar to what we had though.

 

[klavrynd]

i'll bring my savage for testing and show you what real savages do!

 

[remi]

hi sycho, useless tests m8!

 

[Sycho]

hi sycho, useless tests m8!

Bit like your savage then 8]]]

 

[Elitestoner]

remi... remi... !

nerf couldnt get your attention, too much lagstrafing :x

 

[Bitteliten]

Why do ppl think that u have to play a savage to know how it preformes in rvr. It`s actually easier for someone that play against them to see how they preforme. We get to see and feel the dmg a svg does compared to a zerk or merc all the time, and there is no doubt the savages outdamage the other light tanks. And the guy that said that the best mid/excal guilds use zerkers instead of savages is very wrong JH ran with 3 savages and NP usually use 1-2 after the "godmode" ASD nerf

 

[Aldrick]

Whats your point? Np ran usually with 1 and JH is bad?

 

[cougar]

i doubt the yanks wanna nerf savage, it's my fate to be op

 

[Driwen]

Why do ppl think that u have to play a savage to know how it preformes in rvr. It`s actually easier for someone that play against them to see how they preforme. We get to see and feel the dmg a svg does compared to a zerk or merc all the time, and there is no doubt the savages outdamage the other light tanks. And the guy that said that the best mid/excal guilds use zerkers instead of savages is very wrong JH ran with 3 savages and NP usually use 1-2 after the "godmode" ASD nerf

actually the people who get hit by savages tend to only look at the triples and quads, which doesnt happen so much. But a really good player might be able to judge it, but so can a good savage though.
Also might be nice to see a test with and without buffs to see wether there is something actually wrong with savages, as they are supposed to do less damage without buffs. However from the damage logs i have seen(in the now deleted thread on round table), I doubt its just the haste and dps buff which boosts the damage by so much. However those logs are made by people with most likely different quality of equipment.

 

[Klonk]

Why do ppl think that u have to play a savage to know how it preformes in rvr. It`s actually easier for someone that play against them to see how they preforme. We get to see and feel the dmg a svg does compared to a zerk or merc all the time, and there is no doubt the savages outdamage the other light tanks. And the guy that said that the best mid/excal guilds use zerkers instead of savages is very wrong JH ran with 3 savages and NP usually use 1-2 after the "godmode" ASD nerf

JH who? ^^

 

[Freetha]

... sure.. go ahead.. nerf Savages.. and while you'r att it.. nerf bonedancers, and necromancers, and animists, and infils.. nerf everyone untill they are about as effective as hunters.. then at least we won't get these "nice" flamewars over one class or another...