News Paris Attack

[Scouse]

not giving younger people the right to vote because they vulnerable to the next Hitler

In my experience it's the adults rather than younger people who'll vote for the next Hitler...

 

[DaGaffer]

Only because the luftwaffe were running lower on planes than the allies after the americans joined in.

Nope. Not at all. The Nazis never went in for strategic bombing; their bombers were primarily designed for tactical support for advancing armies. They never built the kind of heavy bombers the alllies used in the first place. Of course late in the war Hitler figured missiles would be able to do the same job in the long run, and envisaged thousands upon thousands of V-1s, V-2s and dropping the equivalent TNT to allied raids, but that would never have been possible; the economics of it simply didn't stack up even if they'd had the ability to do it.

 

[DaGaffer]

In my experience it's the adults rather than younger people who'll vote for the next Hitler...

Erm, what's the average age of ISIS fighters? I don't follow your logic at all.

 

[Talivar]

Youth are more likely to look to a better future and take the chances or risks to achieve it. Many Adults are fixated with the present and how to not lose what they have. You offer the youth a chance and a vision and they will often take it, Each year the Government is making the youths life's worse while at the same time we have ISIS poisoning them with images of a different option.

 

[Raven]

The youth are also more likely to get uppety about something that they have no real comprehension of and think they know it all.

 

[Talivar]

That,s true but little effort is made to give them a full and real comprehension. Atm its you dont deserve same minimum wage as everyone else, you dont deserve benefits, you dont deserve to vote ect ect. IF these things are right or wrong makes no difference because its how the youth perceive it themselves.

 

[Scouse]

Erm, what's the average age of ISIS fighters? I don't follow your logic at all.

Yep. An incredibly small number of UK muslims have been radicalised - by adult radicals (of which there are many). However, the vast majority of kids - and a vastly larger number than those even at risk of radicalisation - will vote no more stupidly than the average retard adult.

Kids coming out of school should be being taught a level of tolerance and high mindedness, and will take the opportunity to vote first time a lot more seriously than lifelong *whatever* voters.

And remember, the average UK IQ is 100. So who's to say young people who spend all day long being taught how to think can't do a better job than people who for the most part have long forgotten that skill and have no real comprehension about the world anyway?


Edit: Adults voted the national socialist party in BTW

 

[Ormorof]

Half of the EU isis fighters are french and even they make up only ~1500 of the total fighting force

 

[sayward]

Turks and French do not get on, French were instrumental in blocking Turkey's application to EU, along with Germany.

The Turks did nothing for their cause by not observing the minute's silence in their football match the other night.

 

[Raven]

They were right to block them from entry to the EU, bunch of throwbacks.

 

[sayward]

Oddly my grandfather, at the time of the first WW said the people we should really be worried about were 'the arabs'. So even that long ago there was a problem. (apologies if I've said that somewhere else. and no i wasn't with him!)

And my daughter asked the other day were we going to our next rugby game in Paris, beginning of December, and my immediate reply was why? Why not?

 

[Scouse]

They were right to block them from entry to the EU, bunch of throwbacks.

Or alternatively, if they were part of the EU right now then Europe'd have much more control over the area.

 

[sayward]

They are now saying they have the mastermind, dead I hope it hurt. I just don't understand how the police used all those bullets and hardly injured anyone.

 

[Gwadien]

They are now saying they have the mastermind, dead I hope it hurt. I just don't understand how the police used all those bullets and hardly injured anyone.

Because they're not American police.

 

[DaGaffer]

They are now saying they have the mastermind, dead I hope it hurt. I just don't understand how the police used all those bullets and hardly injured anyone.

Keeping them pinned down while they tried to get through the reinforced door, which the landlord who apparently didn't know anything about the terrorists in his apartment block had installed. They knew the terrorists had suicide vests so a constant wall of bullets to stop them getting out and detonating makes sense.

 

[Raven]

Why bother going through the door when they could have just gassed them?

 

[Scouse]

Fail to see what you find funny about that point @Raven - the EU isn't a club you can join without signing up to certain things. What's the point of Europe if you don't have any leverage over it's member states?

 

[Raven]

The naivety more than anything.

 

[backdoor]

Fail to see what you find funny about that point @Raven - the EU isn't a club you can join without signing up to certain things. What's the point of Europe if you don't have any leverage over it's member states?

Unless you are Greece

 

[Scouse]

Unless you are Greece

Greece are doing exactly what the EU want. Despite all the rioting etc, they're clearly the EU's bitches now.

The naivety more than anything.

Provide a cogent argument why not. (Or @Bodhi).

They'd be stopping supply routes (and would actually be more of a target themselves) if withdrawal of massive EU subsidies and support were on the table.

Integrated into the EU financial system? Financial ruin is a possibility too. Entry into the EU means you can proper fuck the economically smaller member states over. They become your bitches.

See Greece.

 

[DaGaffer]

Or alternatively, if they were part of the EU right now then Europe'd have much more control over the area.

Turkey isn't Greece. It has eight times the population, six times the GDP and a massive army. If Turkey was inside the EU it would be a major player, not a minnow to be bossed around like Greece; that was a big part of the reason for not letting them in; too easy to unbalance the power wielded by the big four countries. Now, rejection by the EU probably did move Turkey more into the Islamist sphere, but that could have happened anyway (being part of NATO hasn't stopped them from helping out ISIS for example).

 

[Raven]

And has so many domestic issues with boggle eyed nut cases its bound to do something "un-European" sooner or later, seeing as it does it all the time anyway.

 

[Raven]

I sometimes wonder if IS are actually retarded

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-34865696

 

[Talivar]

They doing exactly what they said they will do, their whole game plan is to bring on their version of the end times by fighting the infidel army consisting of 20? nations flags and doing it in one of the cities or towns they took.

 

[Hawkwind]

Turkey isn't Greece. It has eight times the population, six times the GDP and a massive army.

A country with a 50% Labour Force Participation Rate and 11.4 % unemployment is the more worrying aspect. For Germany it's more a case of 3 Mill Turks already in Germany that would be eligible for all the pension and handouts. Not entirely sure why the French were against it but likely just doing what they were told to do by their German masters

 

[Gwadien]

Abs Pangader Actually, they're chanting "Sehitler olmez, vatan bolunmez." Which means "Martyrs never die, the nation won't be divided." This is a slogan thrown in remembrance of Turkish soldiers who fell victim to terrorism. In Turkey, there is rarely a minute of silence that isn't interrupted by this chant. Whether its a minute of silence for a Turkish catastrophe, or something else that happened globally, this always happens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-not-a-mark-of-disrespect-claim-a6738741.html

Thoughts?

 

[Moriath]

Abs Pangader Actually, they're chanting "Sehitler olmez, vatan bolunmez." Which means "Martyrs never die, the nation won't be divided." This is a slogan thrown in remembrance of Turkish soldiers who fell victim to terrorism. In Turkey, there is rarely a minute of silence that isn't interrupted by this chant. Whether its a minute of silence for a Turkish catastrophe, or something else that happened globally, this always happens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-not-a-mark-of-disrespect-claim-a6738741.html

Thoughts?

You listen to the media too much. My thoughts.

 

[Gwadien]

You listen to the media too much. My thoughts.

You mean the media which is taking it as face value whereas I'm looking at the comments to see what people are saying.

I find it fascinating to be honest.

Whether you believe what that guy has said or not keep this in mind;

If Iran had a football match and their fans boo'd would there be uproar?

We almost want Turkey to be something that they're not and its causing more bad than good to be honest.

As the article shows - another persons argument is that a few days before 100+ Turks died in twin suicide bomb attacks and their was no minute silence across Europe for them.

I guess when we're telling them they need to sort their shit out but keeping them at arms length they're bound to get annoyed - and I think this is a relatively good explanation of it - people die in Paris and across Europe there's outrage but when people die in Turkey noone is really too bothered - so in that respect do we have any right to be annoyed at them for booing?

Or is it because they're plain evil Muslims?

 

[Moriath]

You mean the media which is taking it as face value whereas I'm looking at the comments to see what people are saying.

I find it fascinating to be honest.

Whether you believe what that guy has said or not keep this in mind;

If Iran had a football match and their fans boo'd would there be uproar?

We almost want Turkey to be something that they're not and its causing more bad than good to be honest.

As the article shows - another persons argument is that a few days before 100+ Turks died in twin suicide bomb attacks and their was no minute silence across Europe for them.

I guess when we're telling them they need to sort their shit out but keeping them at arms length they're bound to get annoyed - and I think this is a relatively good explanation of it - people die in Paris and across Europe there's outrage but when people die in Turkey noone is really too bothered - so in that respect do we have any right to be annoyed at them for booing?

Or is it because they're plain evil Muslims?

Everything has bias. Media and individuals.

There was no silence for lebenon etc etc. Yes it gets reacted too more in countries that are used to peace. But what do you expect. Why didnt all the asian countries have a mins silence turkey is the cross over to both.

Dont just force your opinions to one side without considering the other.

Btw a year or so ago i have a friend who lives in Ankora or however u spellit. And he was saying how shit the turk government were and how corrupt.

Its easy to read shit from your safe uk palace and critique shot without knowing fuck all.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

So they are at it again, In Mali this time. If they attacked military targets you could "kind of" understand, but this really does show them for the cowards they are.