Advice Organic

[ECA]

http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1/dirty-secrets-of-the-food-processing-industry

Is this all crap too?

My quick tip would be to ignore any full time yummy mummy posts on facebook. They're probably all bullshit.

 

[Scouse]

It's a load of bollocks. There are no additional health benefits to be found eating organic over normal food.

Organic food certainly tastes better. Also, if you're at all interested in reducing your pesticide intake then organic is the way to go.

You're correct in that they're nutritionally equivalent tho.

 

[Raven]

Often green grocers and butchers are cheaper and by far and away better quality than stuff from the supermarket, most of the time it qualifies as organic. Plus you avoid all that processed bullshit that will rot your insides. You can prepare fresh stuff really quickly if you follow some decent recipes.

 

[Moriath]

Often green grocers and butchers are cheaper and by far and away better quality than stuff from the supermarket, most of the time it qualifies as organic. Plus you avoid all that processed bullshit that will rot your insides. You can prepare fresh stuff really quickly if you follow some decent recipes.

Cause most of the stuff grocers sell is I. Season and not bought in from Africa. Main difference I. Food taste is the time it takes from field to plate. And organic usually is locally made and therefore not spent so long being preserved so less nice thighs have been lost from it.

 

[BloodOmen]

no idea why more people don't grow carrots and tomatoes themselves tbh, very easy to grow as are potatoes, costs you probably less than £1 for the seeds too.

 

[georgie]

Cause most of the stuff grocers sell is I. Season and not bought in from Africa. Main difference I. Food taste is the time it takes from field to plate. And organic usually is locally made and therefore not spent so long being preserved so less nice thighs have been lost from it.

You need to sort out your autocorrect, mate.

It's never a good thing when nice thighs are lost, mind you.

 

[old.user4556]

no idea why more people don't grow carrots and tomatoes themselves tbh, very easy to grow as are potatoes, costs you probably less than £1 for the seeds too.

I was going to say this. If you're that bothered, grow your own.

 

[Wij]

Organic farmers do not use less pesticide or herbicide. Often they use more as they are limited to compounds that are not synthesised which means they have a more limited range of compounds to choose from, and may not be able to select the best tool for the job. Note that NOT SYNTHESISED is not the same as NOT TOXIC. Plenty of organic pesticides and herbicides are toxic.

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

The LD50 value for Glyphosphate (Monsanto's 'dreaded' Roundup product) is ludicrously high, meaning that it isn't very toxic to humans at all.

Sometimes organic food will taste better. Organic farmers may be choosing a tastier strain of carrot whereas a non-organic farmer may be choosing a strain with the highest yield. This is not a by-product of the farming process itself though.

Nutrition-wise there's no difference.

Anti-oxidants and shit are just bollocks health-wise.

 

[Gwadien]

no idea why more people don't grow carrots and tomatoes themselves tbh, very easy to grow as are potatoes, costs you probably less than £1 for the seeds too.

Space, People generally live in smaller houses etc in the cities, and all of the allotments near me are being used to build houses, there are the odd cases of a spree of use of allotments, but it's not out of necessity, it's more romanticism - I grow my own food yo.
Portions, go hand in hand with the above, when people were growing their own stuff during the second world war, diets were smaller, you'd have to grow quite alot if you don't want to subsidise with bought food.
Time, People don't want to spend time doing stuff like that anymore, in the past if you wanted something building/creating/growing, you'd do it yourself, but what's the point now, when you can just work more hours and buy it?

 

[Tom]

Potatoes really are a piece of piss to grow though. There's practically no effort involved.

 

[Scouse]

Organic farmers do not use less pesticide or herbicide.

I know an organic farmer who uses old-style crop rotation and manure - no artifical fertilisers are needed - and uses no pesticides or herbicides. Yep, they take a hit on their crops, but the stuff they produce is fantastic.

Plus - organic in the US isn't the same as in the EU - which has tougher standards. And if you're looking to buy organic the first place you'd look is the soil association certified produce - their standards are designed precicely to reduce and remove pesticide and herbicide and artificial fertiliser use (in favour of crop rotation etc) - and are more stringent than the EU standards.

 

[Ch3tan]

Totally disagree with gwad, allotments in London are in huge demand and have waiting lists.

 

[Raven]

Same round here, have to wait for someone to die before you get one.

 

[old.Tohtori]

have waiting lists.

have to wait for someone to die

Just found it rather macabre

 

[Ormorof]

Death and cabbage

 

[Job]

Pesticides dont rot your insides..the amount we digest is dwarfed by our caffeine intake which is the greatest pesticide of them all.

 

[Chilly]

If you want health benefits you'll get way way more results simply eating a better balance of food types than going "organic". Eat more carrots, eat fewer chips etc etc. It's not rocket science.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you want health benefits you'll get way way more results simply eating a better balance of food types than going "organic". Eat more carrots, eat fewer chips etc etc. It's not rocket science.

Or eat what you want and roll the dice on living to 50 or 138 with horrible deaths to no impact what so ever

Humans are funny that way, exceptions to rule all the time.

 

[Ormorof]

Chips don't count as one of the 5 a day? What about cider?

 

[Draylor]

Depends: do you like cider?

If you do it doesnt count.

(Disclaimer: This post contains as much scientifically accurate information as any other in this thread - but no more!)

 

[Ormorof]

I prefer beer, finnish cider is too sweet for me

Organic Orange juice tastes less gunky than the non organic one

 

[Job]

For the past 100,000 years humans have alternated between all meat..all vegetable and all the percentages inbetween..our digestive systems have evolved to cope and 'balanced' diet is just an urban myth built on imagery of meat and two veg..it isn't necessary and isn't 'healthier' than any other ratio...meat.gets a bad rap because it looks all fatty and is associated with gluttony...vegetarian diets look cleaner and healthier and are associated with a more puritan and restrained way to live...its all just mumbo jumbo that's reinforced by junkscience from endless pseudo nutritonalists and marketing companies.

 

[Gwadien]

I have a Pak Foods near me at my new house.

I'm going to USE THE SHIT OUT OF THAT SHOP

 

[Chilly]

Or eat what you want and roll the dice on living to 50 or 138 with horrible deaths to no impact what so ever

Humans are funny that way, exceptions to rule all the time.

Of course, but it's a fucking stupid idea and completely irrational. The health benefits are not all long term. Short term you feel way better and can do more, have a clearer mind and get more poon tang. What is not to like about being healthier???

 

[old.Tohtori]

What is not to like about being healthier???

Eating what you don't like and forcing habits on yourself that take away from other activities that you do enjoy?

It's not stupid or irrational, it's a choice.

 

[Raven]

Because the -/+30 mins a day you spend eating really matter.

Eating healthy is not an issue for normal people.

 

[Gwadien]

Pls don't turn this into a let's all beat up fat toht thread

Toht has beautiful love handles.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Because the -/+30 mins a day you spend eating really matter.

Yeah, it does, since it would be stuff i don't like to eat. If you like the stuff then fiiiiine, go ahead, but forcing habits/doing stuff you don't like is just not for me.

Or do you spend your days doing stuff you don't like? Now that is wasting your life.

Oh and @Gwadien i'm probably thinner then a lot of folk here

 

[Job]

I do find when I'm on a diet I feel much more energetic..maybe eating food all the time keeps me in a state of sit down and digest while going hungry stimulates my body to get out and kill something.

 

[old.user4556]

Same round here, have to wait for someone to die before you get one.

Aye, which is ironic given that they'll be eating non-organic whilst they wait and be dead by 35 (source: The Daily Mail).