Offensive Muslim cartoon!

[Ormorof]

I don't care if this is a thing about freedom of speach, u don't print or say anything that offends a group of people just to watch reactions.
This is a result of christian fundamentalists pissing off the muslim fundamentalists which then goes bananas. The whole situation is fucking ridiculous

JP asked for the pictures because of a bunch of artists who didnt want to draw pictures for an upcoming book i believe.... (because they were afraid of offending anyone)

basically they were publishing to protest against the self-censorship of the artists? (may be wrong though, its just what i seem to be picking up from the limited bits of info available)


what eggs me on is that the clerics who have been distributing these photo's (3 of which werent ever even published) live in denmark, how mad is that

denmark: "ok guys, you are welcome to live here, as long as you follow our laws like everyone else etc etc"

clerics: "omg! a cartoon! death to denmark!!!"

seems abit silly to me

 

[Narzeja]

I don't care if this is a thing about freedom of speach, u don't print or say anything that offends a group of people just to watch reactions.
This is a result of christian fundamentalists pissing off the muslim fundamentalists which then goes bananas.

You are free to post offensive cartoons, but have to face the consequences.
However, it is in no way justified that the fundamentalistic muslims are giving out deaththreats to denmark and those who support denmark, it is not justified to burn down danish/norwegian/whatever property, because someone drew a cartoon.

Christian fundamentalists have nothing to do in this, only reasently have bishops and priests around the world reacted to the flagburning, but it is only because the flags (Danish/swedish/norwegian) contain symbols of a cross, nothing else. JP is not a Christian fundamentalist organisation, it is a private newspaper with a certain political attitude.

JP asked for the pictures because of a bunch of artists who didnt want to draw pictures for an upcoming book i believe.... (because they were afraid of offending anyone)

basically they were publishing to protest against the self-censorship of the artists? (may be wrong though, its just what i seem to be picking up from the limited bits of info available)

100% correct.

 

[tris-]

you know whats strange, if we say death to extremist muslims we are being racist or something.

but they can say death to denmark just cos they feel like it

 

[Hawkwind]

A few more words about Turkey and EU. Again, I think there is a streotyping here, as in regards of Turkey being a Muslim country. I don't think any of you had been to Turkey and I am sure what you know about Turkey in general you had learn from News on T.V or newspapers. There is a saying that goes "Don't believe everything you read or see on t.v" and I think it is a very appropriate saying for this situation. Turkey is one of the most similar Eastern Countries in regards to lifestyle and Politics to Western World. It draws more tourists per year than almost any other Western and Eastern Country in the world ( I think 2nd or 3rd most). There are still a lot of progress that needs to be done in regards to human-rights and politics, HOWEVER I am sure that putting Turkey in the same basket as say Iran or Iraq is TOTALLY wrong in every aspect just because It is a Muslim country. Also I think EU needs some "Diversity" in its nature anyway.

I have been to Turkey around 20-30 times in last 5 years, mainly to Istanbul. I agree totally with you that they are very western orientated. Maybe beacuse the church and state affairs are kept totally seperate. Very admirable as long as it stays that way. There are some recent concerns that the new Prime Minister is trying to change some of that. For instance the ban on the 'veil' (more usually a head scarf) in Universities is being questioned and the new Prime Minister wants it changed. The Universities/acedemics do not want it changed. They want education to stay as it is and not become tainted with any religious bias (words from a Turkish News Paper).

What concerns me about Turkey is not the muslim population, it is the over zealous nationalism I see there. The hatred of the Greeks and Armenians is almost comical. I worked for a company that is supplying Turkey's national carrier with in-flight mapping products amongst other things and the changes that have had to be made were frightening. No Greek island names were allowed to be shown. Only the Turkish names were allowed on Cyprus. On the delivery of a recent aircraft we had to block the maps because the lettering of Yerevan (capital of Armenia) were showing slightly over Turkish borders on one of sixteen possible zoom levels. All maps have to be checked and OK'd by Turkish military.

This is not the behaviour of a country that I would expect to get easy EU membership. Germany also has massive problems with Turkish immigrants who, should EU membership be granted, overnight would be allowed to stay in Germany and claim social benefits that the country simply cannot afford.

In saying all this I actually enjoy going to Turkey and the people I know there are genuinely nice people. But I still have concerns regarding EU membership. Given a vote I would vote NO!

 

[Hawkwind]

i havent read the whole story, but did we imprison him?

if so, i dont see how spending our tax money on him in prison for 7 years will stop him being a terrorist. he will still follow islam, and be extreme, when he is released.

just imo ofc.

Totally agree.

IMO. If I was to commit any crime whilst living in UAE I would have to do the time in prison followed by deportation. We should remove his passport and send him back to his/parents homeland. Having a UK passport is not a right its a privilige and one that should be removed if they transgress from the local laws. Exactly the same would happen if you resided in their countries.

 

[Hawkwind]

http://http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1139292226.shtml

Check out the above. The hipocrisy of it all :worthy: .

 

[Raven]

well i think within the next 10/20 years if things carry on as they are there is going to be some serious trouble, very of worrying.

 

[Hawkwind]

Some pent up anger in there!
My country is so far behind UK ,, http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf030915.htm

I live in Dubai and like it. It is a melting pot of cultures.

Firsly, I respect the laws here and know the consequences of breaking them. I would absolutely love it if the UK followed the UAE example - Prison followed by Deportation.

Who do you think is designing and building most of these amazing buildings in Dubai? It's not Arab designers or architects that's a fact. As one example the New Airport Terminal currently under construction has been designed by a French company and the construction is by Al Naboodah - Lainge O'Rourke. Nearly all the project management is from Europe, mostly UK. Nearly all the construction planned for Duabi has European Designers and European Management of the projects so not sure what your trying to prove?

 

[tris-]

In saying all this I actually enjoy going to Turkey and the people I know there are genuinely nice people. But I still have concerns regarding EU membership. Given a vote I would vote NO!

removing their turkish republic of northen cyprus flag off the side of the mountain in cyprus would be a good start.

then handing it back over to cyprus.

and giving the homes back to the cypriots who had to flee the place.

then sort out their love of creating fraudulent goods!

etc.

if they cant do that, how can we expect the government to do anything else?
im not knocking turkish people btw, ive never met any. afaik they could all be a fantastic bunch. i guess im only talking about the political side. and i heard politics isnt something you should discuss in polite conversation, lol.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Openly admitting what they did to the Armenians would be a good move too.

Isn't old captain hook up for extridition to the US once hes served his time? Hopefully he will get put in a cell with Big Bob

 

[Whitefall]

Something I made earlier;

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1900/pornstar1bs.jpg

 

[Gajinn]

Speaking of hypocrisy, now it seems that an Egyptian newspaper published the images in October.

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html

 

[tris-]

Something I made earlier;

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1900/pornstar1bs.jpg

if you are doing this in support of the danes then thats pretty cool.

if you did it for the hell of it just to take the piss then

 

[Bunnytwo]

They are costing the Danish economy upwards of 1 million dollars a day in goods that are now bared in many countries. I hope they are proud of themselves and can hold their heads up high when confronted with the soon to be out of work families that may result.

Dunno about that, I, a number of people at my work and several people here have said they will buy Danish products in support. Could be they're onto a winner

P.S Danish bacon producers must be laughing as I'd have thought thats the first thing people will buy and I can't image a Muslim boycott of Danish goods would make much of a dent in their exports.

 

[Whitefall]

if you are doing this in support of the danes then thats pretty cool. if you did it for the hell of it just to take the piss then

Since when was taking the piss, classified as unequivocally unfunny?

 

[Lethul]

 

[Blackjack]

hehe

 

[Ctuchik]

i have a pretty intresting question tho... would ANY newspaper ANYWHERE make theese kinds of "cartoons" against christianity? and would anyone seriously believe that the extreame christians would behave any diffrently?

i seriously seriously doubt that this so called "newspaper" in denmark would dare make one about christianity. Jyllands posten DID publish theese cartoons to provoke, theres NO chance they wouldent have known it would be this bad looking at any past reactions they make to this sort of bullshit.

and to those that think "grow up". (me included when i first saw the reactions) remember that most muslims live in dictatorship and that 95% of them cant read, dont have a TV that show anything from outside their country/religion, and generally have no idea whats going on other then what those in power tell them. wich is in most cases so exagerated its silly.

AND one more thing, muslim RELIGION states its even a crime to make a NORMAL picture of muhammed, let alone a offensive one. to them publishing those pictures were probably more offensive to them then a published video of a child getting raped would be for us.......

 

[Ctuchik]

JP is not a Christian fundamentalist organisation, it is a private newspaper with a certain political attitude.

and what political attitude would that be? christian fundamentalist or just pure racism/nationalism/facism/whatever, doesent make it more right...

they KNEW what the reaction would be. all they wanted was to provoke. and now they get what they asked for..

 

[DocWolfe]

i have a pretty intresting question tho... would ANY newspaper ANYWHERE make theese kinds of "cartoons" against christianity? and would anyone seriously believe that the extreame christians would behave any diffrently?

i seriously seriously doubt that this so called "newspaper" in denmark would dare make one about christianity. Jyllands posten DID publish theese cartoons to provoke, theres NO chance they wouldent have known it would be this bad looking at any past reactions they make to this sort of bullshit.

and to those that think "grow up". (me included when i first saw the reactions) remember that most muslims live in dictatorship and that 95% of them cant read, dont have a TV that show anything from outside their country/religion, and generally have no idea whats going on other then what those in power tell them. wich is in most cases so exagerated its silly.

AND one more thing, muslim RELIGION states its even a crime to make a NORMAL picture of muhammed, let alone a offensive one. to them publishing those pictures were probably more offensive to them then a published video of a child getting raped would be for us.......

rofl... thats an attitude straight out the dark ages.

 

[Whitefall]

I find it quite amusing how muslims make all this fuss over some cartoons, yet when suicide bombers go around killing innocents, they just say they condemn it, but do nothing beyond that. If they 'really' cared about suicide bombers and the bad elements in their religion, they'd be out there doing protests and making a fuss on the same scale as they have been recently about these cartoons.
For all I know, they say they condemn it in order to be left in peace, but actually deep-down don't mind about suicide bombers and the like - Who knows?!

To me, good-muslims are 'all talk, no action' (except against some cartoons which never killed a single person).

Prove me wrong, is all I can say!

 

[n00b]

Europe is for Eropeans
Thousands of years people in europe have been at war to fight for "our" european way of life, our christian religion, freedom of speech etc etc..
People that dont want and do not accept our laws can gtfo..

 

[Whitefall]

I blame multiculturalism. You simply can't maintain a country's identity when you throw in a ton of different other cultures. Doing so only dillutes the original identity of the country. e.g. Britain has become so multicultural now that Brits don't even know what it means to be British anymore.
I very much doubt this whole cartoon row would be as in the forefront as it is now, if there weren't any Muslims living in European countries. This is just them feeling as though they 'own' European countries now, and so therefore the European countries should fall under Islamic law. They virtually have a mosque in each city now, so that may be one reason why they believe this and act the way they do.

 

[remi]

and what political attitude would that be? christian fundamentalist or just pure racism/nationalism/facism/whatever, doesent make it more right...

they KNEW what the reaction would be. all they wanted was to provoke. and now they get what they asked for..

it was a fucking satire, provoke is its only purpose mmk~

its been satires on every other man or woman that's been alive.

Scenario: A Cartoon Jesus; who would kill stuff for that pic? the Pope and his gang? i couldnt care less, id probably laugh at the Cartoon Jesus.






and here is a funny jesus pic to prove my point!

 

[Whitefall]

lol that's great

 

[old.Tohtori]

Europe is for Eropeans
Thousands of years people in europe have been at war to fight for "our" european way of life, our christian religion, freedom of speech etc etc..
People that dont want and do not accept our laws can gtfo..

Luckily you said "our".

'cause i don't believe in christianity,for all i care they can burn down anyones church if it's so much in their mind.

As long as i get my respect, as in no slander, for my religion(where the free speech comes along), i don't mind what religion people believe in.

Allthough christianity deems every other religion paganist, where as some, like viking way of life, believes each man to their own.

 

[DocWolfe]

I still maintain my original point.

 

[Narzeja]

and what political attitude would that be? christian fundamentalist or just pure racism/nationalism/facism/whatever, doesent make it more right...

they KNEW what the reaction would be. all they wanted was to provoke. and now they get what they asked for..

Your flaw lies in the fact you're pulling christianity into it, same with the muslims are pulling the government into this matter: JP != Government, JP != Christian Fundamentalism... please get your facts straight.

Your other point may remain valid about the provokating, but it was merely to prove a point about the freedom of speech was "under attack" (in lack of better english).

 

[Ironfalcon]

i have a pretty intresting question tho... would ANY newspaper ANYWHERE make theese kinds of "cartoons" against christianity? and would anyone seriously believe that the extreame christians would behave any diffrently?

i seriously seriously doubt that this so called "newspaper" in denmark would dare make one about christianity. Jyllands posten DID publish theese cartoons to provoke, theres NO chance they wouldent have known it would be this bad looking at any past reactions they make to this sort of bullshit.

and to those that think "grow up". (me included when i first saw the reactions) remember that most muslims live in dictatorship and that 95% of them cant read, dont have a TV that show anything from outside their country/religion, and generally have no idea whats going on other then what those in power tell them. wich is in most cases so exagerated its silly.

AND one more thing, muslim RELIGION states its even a crime to make a NORMAL picture of muhammed, let alone a offensive one. to them publishing those pictures were probably more offensive to them then a published video of a child getting raped would be for us.......

Bud get your facts straight. if you aint even gonna read, what started all of this, leave your fat fingers off the keyboard..

 

[old.Tohtori]

And hasn't anyone noticed the laughter coming from the headoffice of the particular paper in question?

The PR? Free addverts? I say kazhing since the name...whatchamaisit...of the paper is gonna stayin people's heads for a while.