Off-topic Mafia #6 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and yes, Calo, the one who seems totally innocent by all accounts.

This is gonna be "fun"

 

[Levin]

Well... with this few people left i'm not sure I want to disclose how I'm thinking as it would allow my suspects to "correct" their behaviour and confuse things up.

Still, I always sucked at keeping quiet in these games so I'll just blabber on like i normally do! Here's how I see it.

If Tohtori is mafia: Why would he seal the deal on his mafia friend ECA when there was still a chance to hang a cop (I assume here that if Cornokz isn't mafia he really is the cop). Also, why would he kill Vasconcelos who was like suspect #1 and easy to blame and finally why not murder the Cornokz the cop at night??? If Tohtori is mafia I have to hand it to him.. calculated irrational behaviour at its finest. Though I know he's a clever boy, I don't think he would be THAT irrational as it would be too risky. I hope I'm not proven wrong here.

If Calo is mafia: Why didn't he seal the deal on Cornokz when there was 3-2 in votes? He basicly had Cornokz's life in his hands and he instead chose to help kill a mafia guy. They would have won the game if he'd helped kill an innocent Cornokz! Calo is the only guy I think we can write straight off as a suspect, unless he comitted a huge mistake on the previous day. Finally, once again, if Calo is mafia why not nightkill Cornokz the cop this last night and leave Vasconcelos the suspicious one alive to be framed?

If I am mafia: Well, once again, I would have so killed the cop or possibly Calo. Then I would have tried to frame Vasconcelos who set himself up nicely as a suspect, the poor guy. Instead, whoever is mafia killed the "fallguy" and it doesn't make sense at all to me. Also if I was mafia, I would have hardly started so early with accusing ECA. Even if it now gives me some credibility, it would not have been worth it, and I would only have done it as a last ditch solution - that is; much later in the game.

If Cornokz is mafia: He can't bloody well murder himself during night, so this is the only way I see it make sense that the "cop" survived this night. He might have made a mistake killing Vasconcelos instead of Calo though, but that goes for whoever the mafia guy is. This option is still what makes the most sense to me. The only thing really that speaks against is that he must have taken a big risk claiming cop as early as he did. Then again, if there had been a real cop it wouldn't necessarily mean anything other than THREE cop claims. "I'm Spartacus", anyone?

 

[Levin]

Sorry about the edit; it was just a typo fix, honest guv!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Kinda what i was saying Levin, although, i have to add one mroe thing from my perspective:

If i was mafia, why would i kill Vasconcelos, as he was the only one i could've "easily" persuaded to my side. Heck, he was on my side yesterday, and if i would've killed Calo, i for certain could've played the "cop not being killed" card and even get you on my side.

I can't do but to agree, that Calo is in no way of form mafia, nothing points in that direction.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And that's the reason why anyoen could've called on Calo being innocent. Just so easy and to Calo, it looks like complete proof of cop status.

 

[Levin]

And that's the reason why anyoen could've called on Calo being innocent. Just so easy and to Calo, it looks like complete proof of cop status.

Except for the fact that examining Calo is a strange move in itself, since everyone knows it wasn't a good "cop" move. This in itself puts Cornokz in doubt. Do you think he was unaware of that, then?

Of course, at this point it's a bit silly discussing this with you, since you would be the only other mafia candidate in my eyes. I think this needs some sleeping on. See you guys for more speculating and hopefully a grand finish tomorrow!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Except for the fact that examining Calo is a strange move in itself, since everyone knows it wasn't a good "cop" move. This in itself puts Cornokz in doubt. Do you think he was unaware of that, then?

I meant that CorNokZ claiming Calo innocent, would be the perfect move for a "so called cop", because every bloody townie knew he was. That all

But yes, need sleep now. Maybe new perspective in the morning.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Since it's a choice between you three, and i see no other logical choice, i'm going with vote: CorNokZ for now.

Just makes the most sense as i don't think a novote would work.

 

[Levin]

Okay, I hate to do this because Tohtori will be all kinds of smug if I'm wrong now and he wins this. But... logic says it has to be Cornokz, so even if it hurts, that would have to be my best guess.

Vote: Cornokz

Damn damn damn damn... i'll kick myself so hard if i'm wrong now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofcourse if we hang noone, we got a 2vs1 tomorrow.

Valid option or too risky?

 

[Levin]

Ofcourse if we hang noone, we got a 2vs1 tomorrow.

Valid option or too risky?

I'm not sure what would be gained. The only thing that would happen is that Calo gets nightkilled. It would of course eliminate the 0.0000001% percent chance that it actually might be him who has played us for fools all along, but..

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not sure what would be gained. The only thing that would happen is that Calo gets nightkilled. It would of course eliminate the 0.0000001% percent chance that it actually might be him who has played us for fools all along, but..

Yeah. The only way that would become viable is if we don't reach an agreement, then we still HAVE one more day to picker about it.

 

[Calo]

We have an obvious mafia member left, or a very smart one.

Everything seems to lead to cornokz atm.

 

[Levin]

We have an obvious mafia member left, or a very smart one.

Everything seems to lead to cornokz atm.

Yes, that's how I see it too. Right now, if we are to vote for someone, it seems the most logical to vote for the "obvious" one. Otherwise we should wait and let the bad guy kill off one more guy. But unless Calo is the bad one.. I think it would just end up being him that gets killed. Of course, now that we've said that, it would be incredibly easy for the mafia guy to kill one of the others just to cast the blame on Calo.

So all in all.. I think we should bag this today! We're just waiting for you now Calo..

 

[CorNokZ]

Why is everything leading towards me? I came out and said "ECA IS MAFIA!".. He was INDEED mafia! Why would I hang my fellow mobster?

All I can say atm is that that either toht is trying to make others vote for me and Levin jumping straight on to the bandwagon! Atm I can't say just yet which one of you is mafia, but if you still think it's me, then I must say you're retarded! It makes no sense that I would come out as the first and say that ECA is mafia, which he was, when no one has any suspecion towards him, if I also was a mobster!

 

[Calo]

Why is everything leading towards me? I came out and said "ECA IS MAFIA!".. He was INDEED mafia! Why would I hang my fellow mobster?

All I can say atm is that that either toht is trying to make others vote for me and Levin jumping straight on to the bandwagon! Atm I can't say just yet which one of you is mafia, but if you still think it's me, then I must say you're retarded! It makes no sense that I would come out as the first and say that ECA is mafia, which he was, when no one has any suspecion towards him, if I also was a mobster!

There's a point

 

[CorNokZ]

It must be Levin that's the mobster!

Well, i wasn't sure about you being bad or not, but reading this, why the hell would you inspect calo of all people and not, say, me?

If toht was the mafia, he would, I'm sure, have killed me tonight, as he would have expected me to investigate him and tell everyone he mafia! But as a townie he can't kill me. I investigated Calo, because I thought he was a bit too quiet and I didn't like that! Toht sealed the deal on ECA and got him lynched! Levin didn't vote for ECA aka his partner..

If I'm wrong on this toht has me fooled pretty good here

VOTE: LEVIN

 

[Levin]

Cornokz, you have gotten several facts wrong here. I don't know if it's because you're a sloppy mobster, or because you're new.

However fact remains:

You say you were the first to accuse ECA? Excuse me, but look at your own post #84 on page 6. That is your first mention ever of suspecting ECA and by that point I had already voted for him. In fact the first thing I did on day 2 was vote on ECA and people went "WTF? Explain!".

Secondly, you say that Tohtori sealed the deal on ECA and that I hadn't even voted for ECA. I say.. What are you smoking??? Like I said; i was the FIRST of everyone to vote on ECA and I kept that vote through the whole of day 2. Check it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Thirdly and here you are actually right. If Tohtori, or anyone other than yourself for that matter, was mafia - then yes you would have died last night since that would mean you really are the cop. This didn't happen and now you are trying to rationalize it. If I have to choose between option A which is 95% likely to be true or option B that is 5% likely.. I will go for A. The simplest solution is often the correct one - isn't that what they say in all the cop shows?

The only thing I worry about is that Tohtori is mafia. But like I mentioned earlier.. that's the 5% right there, and so I'd rather go with the 95% that it's you; Don Cornokz.

 

[old.Tohtori]

CorNokZ, if it was a plan, then it does make sen. Both suspect eachother, both claim cop, SOMEONE will be safe.

You know?

Like i said, i can't suspect Calo at all, and my current feeling is towards you, but i'm not a 100% sure about Levin being innocent either.

But now that you've, on the last day, changed your vote from your "prime" suspect(aka me), to Levin...i'm just confused.

 

[Levin]

Fourth because I feel like a wolverine on a rampage: Cornokz did his cop thing way after my ECA vote.. on post #100! And the cop claim isn't really a cop claim but more of a "bla bla friend said bla bla" so that if there had been a real cop, he could have dodged out of it. It wasn't until I pressured Cornokz and asked him straight out about it that he was forced to claim the cop role.

 

[CorNokZ]

Now I'm even more confused.. Didn't see you voted for ECA Levin! That shot down my entire theory

Unvote: Levin

I need more thinking now.. But if I am not the cop, then who is? Anyone wanna stand out and say "Yep I'm a cop, and I've investigated him, him and him!"?

 

[Levin]

Now I'm even more confused.. Didn't see you voted for ECA Levin! That shot down my entire theory

Unvote: Levin

I need more thinking now.. But if I am not the cop, then who is? Anyone wanna stand out and say "Yep I'm a cop, and I've investigated him, him and him!"?

Most likely there is no cop in this game. There was ever only a 50% chance that there would be.

 

[CorNokZ]

Tohtori, about Cornokz:

I think he might actually be the cop, considering this is his first game and he's flaunting the role like an overgrown dildo. When he becomes a veteran he will learn that it's not a good idea to do that, especially when the doc is dead.

In this case though, I really do think he might be the cop - and if he's not well then I guess he has me fooled.

First you think I'm the cop, and now you don't?

You've been with me as long as I was voting for ECA and has suspecion towards toht, but now that I've turned against you, you're all of a sudden all up in my face?

But I'm still frecking confused! I know that Calo isn't mafia, but I just can't seem to find any hard evidence on either of you..

 

[Levin]

First you think I'm the cop, and now you don't?

You've been with me as long as I was voting for ECA and has suspecion towards toht, but now that I've turned against you, you're all of a sudden all up in my face?

But I'm still frecking confused! I know that Calo isn't mafia, but I just can't seem to find any hard evidence on either of you..

I suspected you and voted for you before you cast your vote on me - look back and check it.

And yes you had me fooled in the beginning, simply because I didn't have anything substantial on you and ECA's false cop claim did hint that you really were the cop. But now, honestly, how do you explain that you aren't dead? Why would the mafia not kill the cop this last night? That's what turned this whole thing around and now points strongly at you. Surely you can see how the rest of us must see it? And yes, I realize that if Tohtori is mafia and then didn't kill you, he could well have foreseen how this must have looked. That's why i'm 5% unsure. Okay, maybe 25% unsure - but that's still a massive 75% belief that you are mafia.

And for Tohtori, if he's innocent, it must look exactly the same - just replace me with him as the 25% suspect. The key question is how Calo sees it?

 

[CorNokZ]

As I said, I expected myself to be dead aswell, and I'm amazed that I'm still alive! But look at how sure I was and sticking to my vote on ECA.. Surely I would have tried to help him out, in some way, to make ppl not vote for him! Unlike someone else who tried to make ppl do an unvote day..

 

[Levin]

As I said, I expected myself to be dead aswell, and I'm amazed that I'm still alive! But look at how sure I was and sticking to my vote on ECA.. Surely I would have tried to help him out, in some way, to make ppl not vote for him! Unlike someone else who tried to make ppl do an unvote day..

Bloody hell, now i'm getting more unsure again as well. I can't argue with that Tohtori did seem like ECA's accomplice in the beginning. And NOT killing you would be a tactic I believe him quite capable of. Damn damn damn.

Unvote: Cornokz

Don't want to have you accidentily hung by not unvoting, while I think a bit more.

Calo, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!

 

[Calo]

Oh god, the longer we talk the more everyone gets suspicious

atm I'm 40% cornokz 30 toht, 20 levin, 10 novote.

Actually I'm choosing who to believe, levin or toht.

 

[Calo]

Or perhaps cornokz is doing the only thing a scum can do, claim his cop role like hell and make sure people believe him and make other people suspicous. Just don't get it why he would investigate me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

All i can say is, again:

If i was mafia, i would've killed CorNokZ for sure as there's no way i could persuade him to join me and every risk he'd out me, after suspecting me. Like he's doing right now.

I could've persuaded Vasc on voting for Levin, easily even, as one might notice from earlier days he was my "ally". Also, with me and Vasc against Levin, Calo wouldn't have been far behind. Couldn't have voted for Calo as Levin wouldn't have believed it.

Levin would've been so confused he would've voted for anyone really, probably me.

Even blaming Vasc, for not changing his vote to ECA, could've been a plausible case, and i'm thinking atleast Levin would've taken this bait.

If Calo is mafia, i'm dumbfounded on the inginuity of his play and if Levin is mafia, i'm less suprised honestly, but could only congratulate him on a well play. After a sherlock holmes style "remove others, left with guilty" and after thinking it through many many times, i can't vote for anyone else. There's just the late cop claims, after "insuating" you were a cop, you surviving, you voting for Levin ASAP after getting a vote from him etc etc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I know the one thing mafia should use, and that's confusion. The only thing keeping people from a united front against common enemy. In the last town, that mafia guy claiming cop(me ooc), confused the begeejus out of people and it worked like a charm.

I'm suspecting, that CorNokZ is doing just this. Confusing people and it seems to be working.

I've had reason to doubt CorNokZ from day one, and i won't change my mind at this stage. I think like mafia, hoenstly i'm evil that way, therefor, i can counter act the mafia.