Off-topic Mafia #6 Game Thread

[Levin]

Levin, its 100% sure that I'm not a scum because

1. I would have ended this game long time ago, if I was scum it would be the easiest game ever.
2. why would cornokz lyi about me being innocent.

You are absolutely right. Like I said you can't possibly be mafia unless you have a sadistic streak or something, but even then Cornokz wouldn't have said you were innocent.

There are 2 options. Cornokz really investigated me (stupid option) and toht is the scum
or Cornokz knew I was innocent and that everyone would believe I'm innocent ( that way he can make sure we believe him to be cop).
Or levin is the scum but then.. He could of ended this game also.
I mean, when I tried to make a fake vote, levin was there to make sure it was bolded. A mafia partner can't be that false to make sure his partner is voted on..

Yes, I would have changed my vote to Cornokz once it was 3-2 in votes and sealed the fate of him and this game.

Toht, I know you can be one hell of a mafia guy, that's why I'm getting more and more the sense that you are fooling us all. Sure you made the final vote on ECA but that was after I said "fuck it, I"m gonna vote on ECA so that it makes 3 vs 3 so one of you has to revote and vote the other one out. That was a little trick to see who would change vote suddenly. Just like I tried to fake vote (which normally doesn't count but suddenly does?????)

This is pretty much the same feeling i'm having right now. On one side we have the swearing customer who screams he's innocent. And on the other we have the calm guy who has kind of sunk his claws into the first guy and driving home all the evidence against him. None of it is hard evidence really, but taken together it makes a fine case. Logic versus gut feel.

 

[Levin]

Levin, its 100% sure that I'm not a scum because

1. I would have ended this game long time ago, if I was scum it would be the easiest game ever.
2. why would cornokz lyi about me being innocent.

You are absolutely right. Like I said you can't possibly be mafia unless you have a sadistic streak or something, but even then Cornokz wouldn't have said you were innocent.

There are 2 options. Cornokz really investigated me (stupid option) and toht is the scum
or Cornokz knew I was innocent and that everyone would believe I'm innocent ( that way he can make sure we believe him to be cop).
Or levin is the scum but then.. He could of ended this game also.
I mean, when I tried to make a fake vote, levin was there to make sure it was bolded. A mafia partner can't be that false to make sure his partner is voted on..

Yes, I would have changed my vote to Cornokz once it was 3-2 in votes and sealed the fate of him and this game.

Toht, I know you can be one hell of a mafia guy, that's why I'm getting more and more the sense that you are fooling us all. Sure you made the final vote on ECA but that was after I said "fuck it, I"m gonna vote on ECA so that it makes 3 vs 3 so one of you has to revote and vote the other one out. That was a little trick to see who would change vote suddenly. Just like I tried to fake vote (which normally doesn't count but suddenly does?????)

This is pretty much the same feeling i'm having right now. On one side we have the swearing customer who screams he's innocent. And on the other we have the calm guy who has kind of sunk his claws into the first guy and driving home all the evidence against him. None of it is hard evidence really, but taken together it makes a fine case. Logic versus gut feel.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I still think you're the bad guy toht.. You would seem suspecious not to vote for ECA when you said you would vote for whoever had the most votes! When it came down to ECA you had to vote for him, or you would blow your cover!

Therefor you have my vote! You've been trying to frame people throughout the entire game! Getting the final blow on ECA, when he was mafia, made you look like a townie..

So, doing something i said i would, aka, vote with the town and not try to split us up, is a bad thing now?

Here's the options(look at it closely):

Ok, so i wouldn't have voted for ECA, Vasc changes vote to ECA and i'm the only one left "defending" ECA. You hang me.

I don't change my vote, draw, novote, roll in next day. I again, for not voting for ECA, would be a bad guy.

(and)I DO change my vote to ECA, and now i'm this over-intelligent mafia guy hanging his own to save my hide from...err...more suspicion?


All you got going against me, people think about it, is that i voted for the guy claiming to be cop and who claims A: His buddy as mafia and B: the obviously innocent guy. and i voted for CorNokZ WAY before he claimed cop.

Everyone knows Calo is innocent and it was rather cler that ECA was too. The reason why i hesitated so long, is because i was struggling between CorNokZ and ECA. There's NO point at all to leave CorNokZ alive, or to kill ECA, if i was mafia.

 

[Levin]

Everyone knows Calo is innocent and it was rather cler that ECA was too. The reason why i hesitated so long, is because i was struggling between CorNokZ and ECA. There's NO point at all to leave CorNokZ alive, or to kill ECA, if i was mafia.

I don't understand this bit. If it was rather clear that ECA was innocent, why did you hesitate and struggle between Cornokz and him? Why not just stick with your Cornokz vote, just like you say in your last sentence here? I'm not trying to twist your words or make you seem suspicious, I just don't want to understand you wrong.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't understand this bit. If it was rather clear that ECA was innocent, why did you hesitate and struggle between Cornokz and him? Why not just stick with your Cornokz vote, just like you say in your last sentence here? I'm not trying to twist your words or make you seem suspicious, I just don't want to understand you wrong.

"Clear that ECA was bad too"...

Morning, just woke up, and can't edit 'cause of the rules, no matter what CorNokZ thinks in almost ALL his posts

 

[old.Tohtori]

And by the way, i'm calm because i know who i am and that there's only CorNokZ vendetta that's really any cause to vote for me.

All this game, i've been thinking for our benefit, calculating percentages for our survival, giving out all the details to all the scenarios and no matter how you look at it, trying to work so that we win. You can't deny it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ah yes, forgot that there's one added reason to vote for me; it might be a plot.

 

[Levin]

"Clear that ECA was bad too"...

Morning, just woke up, and can't edit 'cause of the rules, no matter what CorNokZ thinks in almost ALL his posts

Ah, suddenly that whole bit makes a lot more sense now. Thanks!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toht, I know you can be one hell of a mafia guy, that's why I'm getting more and more the sense that you are fooling us all. Sure you made the final vote on ECA but that was after I said "fuck it, I"m gonna vote on ECA so that it makes 3 vs 3 so one of you has to revote and vote the other one out. That was a little trick to see who would change vote suddenly. Just like I tried to fake vote (which normally doesn't count but suddenly does?????)

Like i said in above post, if i hadn't, i'd be bad. If i did, i'm bad(according to CorNokZ).

If i knew ECA was mafia, would i really have suddenly jumped the wagon?
I had my suspicion on CorNokZ and as stated, ECA, and as it came clear that the voting would take longer and longer, and because it was a "tie suspicion", i voted on the second choice. Paid off too.

One additional thing to look at:

Last page, CorNokZ first claims i hadn't voted for him, when i said i had, he pulls out another "claim" that basically makes me bad either way; "Vote or not for ECA, you're scum"...great. Like i said, just seems desperate as he has two votes already.

Not to mention he first wanted Levin dead, and now it's me, 'cause i'm the one pointing out his flaws.

 

[Levin]

And by the way, i'm calm because i know who i am and that there's only CorNokZ vendetta that's really any cause to vote for me.

All this game, i've been thinking for our benefit, calculating percentages for our survival, giving out all the details to all the scenarios and no matter how you look at it, trying to work so that we win. You can't deny it.

I know, I know. That's why I stuck my vote on Cornokz after reading through it all. You have certainly thought through a lot of scenarios and laid them out in the open. You have speculated and been unsure, just like a vanilla townie should.

And therein lies the devilry!

Because, as you say.. all logic points towards Cornokz, while at the same time there is that little nagging voice that whisper that Tohtori would be quite capable of setting all of this up.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I know, I know. That's why I stuck my vote on Cornokz after reading through it all. You have certainly thought through a lot of scenarios and laid them out in the open. You have speculated and been unsure, just like a vanilla townie should.

And therein lies the devilry!

Because, as you say.. all logic points towards Cornokz, while at the same time there is that little nagging voice that whisper that Tohtori would be quite capable of setting all of this up.

Ofcourse.

First game i was dead by dawn, because...well...people wanted me to hang

Second game, i took the town for a spin as "the doctor"(shouldn't that be "master", evil doctor..hihi) so ofcourse, noone would think of me as 100% innocent and there's no wy i could prove it even.

Even if i was the cop, or doctor, people would still think it's some ploy by the master mafioso.

 

[Calo]

I'm gone this whole day and tomorrow probably, not gonna vote cause I can't react if there is a change in something, but lets make a deal, this game ends on sunday max Its been great, but so much confusion now!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm gone this whole day and tomorrow probably, not gonna vote cause I can't react if there is a change in something, but lets make a deal, this game ends on sunday max Its been great, but so much confusion now!

Then i think we'll just wait for you, can't vote anyone out without, as CorNokZ won't vote himself and i won't either...unless i want to prove CorNokZ wrong

Don't think much will change though, except more fingerpointing. but evidence wise, i think all has been said.

 

[Levin]

Ufff... I'd rather not wait until Sunday to be honest. This game has been great, but one way or another it would be nice to have it finished so we can start over! A few days ago I got a message from a spectator who was jealous of not being in the game!

That said, there's not much we can do other than wait, I suppose.

 

[Calo]

Fine

Vote Cornokz


srry if you are really the cop, you are just the weakest link in the game. The big things point to you and if toht or levin are scum, nice play!

 

[Levin]

Oh wow... oh crap.. oh my... I can't watch this thread anymore... I HOPE WE WERE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Iceforge]

It's a Lynch!

The three others crowded on Cornokz, who desperately screamed "I'm the cop, you idiots, stop it! You will rot in jail for this!". Eyes filled with anger, Old.Tohtori, Levin and Calo dragging him to the prepared noose for the hanging.
Cornokz wrestled free, moved quickly.
"Oh my god, he got a gun!" Calo exhaled, as Cornokz pulled out a pistal from his jacket.
Fortunately, Old.Tohtori was quick in his reactions, tackling Cornokz and wrestling the gun out of Cornokz hands "Get him off me!" Old.Tohtori yelled, as Cornokz jumped on top of him to regain his gun. Levin was quickly able to pull Cornokz up with the aid of Calo and getting the noose around his neck and pushing him over the edge, hanging him.

Spoiler

A loud noise filled the room and Calo dropped to the ground. Levin turned to find Old.Tohtori pointing Cornokz gun at him "I was wondering how to get rid of the last two of you creeps, Cornokz aided me greatly with this gun. Oh, don't look so shocked, you said it yourself, if anyone in town was smart enough to pull of this stunt, it would be me!" Old.Tohtori finished with a grin before letting his finger press the trigger one last time.

Mafia wins!

And thus ends Game #6'

EDIT: Will soon post full role list and such, and then start game #7

 

[Lethul]

Cornokz: why did you never claim cop role firmly? Oo
this "i might be cop" cause i know ECA is mafia got you burned i think

 

[Golena]

Huzzah I was right..

I'll post my reasoning later tonight, but I was 99% sure it was Toht.

 

[ECA]

Huzzah I was right..

I'll post my reasoning later tonight, but I was 99% sure it was Toht.

I dont understand how the remaining players didnt see this his defence of me was far too implicating even if he does normally spam a lot anyway.

 

[ECA]

Also: I think if I'd claimed vasc/calo as innocent instead of Levin we might have got cornokz lynched earlier also instead of me

 

[Iceforge]

I dont understand how the remaining players didnt see this his defence of me was far too implicating even if he does normally spam a lot anyway.

Hehe, same when I read it, but it has been so in every game I have moderated. It seems so obvious who is townies and mafia by how they post when you know. damn shame it is not that easy when playing, those outright obvious patterns and posts just never happen when playing and not being in the know....

 

[old.Tohtori]

Aye *cleans the gun and puts it in Calos hand*, it was almost too clear i reckon. Ah well, noone left to tell a tale, not even ECA.

But, like some famous mobster once said "The mafias strongest weapon is confusion."

Now who was that...

*walks towards the outskirts of town*


Ah yeah...me.

*grins and walks to the sunset*

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, next time i'm getting you hung on day one. I f*cking knew it! GRRRRR!!!!!!

..... *breathes* Well I have to say that was really well played Tohtori.

BUT! Next time I'm not going to hold back on you just because I think my gut wants to kill you simply because we have a rivalry. I'm going to pout for a while now, and then see you in the next game!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Things were:

Defendig ECA to a point, a very fine line point, so i have something to defend myself with if that claim came to life.

Hanging ECA. Bit simple, but effective.

Keeping every small detail in check with CorNokZ and using them against him.

Killing Vasc and using that for my advantage, aswell as plant the "how did the cop survive".

ECA helped me though, his cop claim gave enough suspicion towards CorNokZ cop claim.

Calo helped too, without his "clearly innocent", i couldn't have mastered so well the "it's easy to claim cop with that".

Planting doubts about Levin, with ECAs "Levin innocent".

And a lot more subtle tricks and things...trade secrets so can't say all

Main key was in my previous post though, "The mafias strongest weapon is confusion."

Using that against CorNokZ was just lovely.

 

[Levin]

It was mostly how strangely Cornokz acted that made me vote for him. Before anything had been said on the last day I was 95% sure it was him.. and then I got more and more tempted to vote for Tohtori. At one point going home from work I almost panicked because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to unvote Cornokz in time. Then I reread things and was reminded how suspiciously Cornokz acted.. so revoted for him even though I had this bad gut feeling that went against logic. And then Calo was going to leave and things went kind of fast. Damn it.

Still, nothing of this takes away from the fact that you played really well Tohtori. When I read through the beginning on the whole thing, you were talking to and about ECA in a very townie-like manner. Well done! I do wish I had stuck with my initial feel about you and ECA though, hehe.

 

[CorNokZ]

*whistles*

 

[Golena]

Also: I think if I'd claimed vasc/calo as innocent instead of Levin we might have got cornokz lynched earlier also instead of me

Actually it was the fact that you claimed Levin to be innocent that pointed me towards Toht as your partner.

As soon as you said that Voting on Cornokz when the scores were 2v2 was the riskiest choice. Yet Toht carefully picked through all evidence except that fact then voted on Cornokz.

Killing Vasc on the final day was genious but should also of been Toht's downfall. It was too random a person to die for it to of been Cornokz playing the way he was, but the perfect person to die for Toht to win if people didn't question the death too closely.
In fact the one person died who meant that the cop surviving didn't matter. It was a 1v1 so Cornokz could work out it was you even without being the cop. That meant whatever he claimed would be easily counterable. Unless people spotted that the cop surviving made no difference in a 1v1, I notice you hailed Calo as innocent but "forgot" that Levin also was under the same logic, with the added advantage that a surviving cop looked very suspicious.

Cornokz made it easy for you not working out it was between 3 of you leading up to the last night however. And that "winning" was all about convincing Calo and Levin to vote on your side.

 

[Olgaline]

aye, I was soo frustrated watching it go down.
but i also think altho more frustrating, that it is easier to "watch" and see whats happening than while playing,
since as a player you often get cuaght up in your own theories, and you question your motives, as Levin CLEARLY did this time, since the evidence really only pointed one way.


same thing happend to me in the "toht doc mafia game" I wrote it out on black and white tohts full plan more or less.
yet oddly I ignored it, and the rest didnt seem to pick up on it at all exept levin. and i went for the quick lynch not thinking i could persuade the rest to vote for the "doc toht" but should have stuck to it.

 

[Levin]

I want to kick myself extra hard, because I started out this game so well.. *beats himself with a stick*