NTL to cap broadband

[Nos-]

This is already in the broadband forum but no fucker reads it so it's here too!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/29246.html

Opinions?!

 

[Will]

Using more that 1Gb a day is hard damn work. I can't see it affecting many people.

 

[.Cask]

Bit strange that they have the same 1GB cap for both the 1meg and 600k services. Would have thought they'd make the 1meg cap larger for obvious reasons.

 

[leggy]

Which equates to ... 650 short videos, 10,000 pictures

As you can see from this it'll only be a problem for the pr0n monsters.

 

[Yaka]

wonder if it will hamper me leeching abilities and use od kazza an edonkey

 

[Shocko]

Well, if you download several 400mb pr0n films, everyday, then it could cause you problems...

 

[granny]

Originally posted by Will.
Using more that 1Gb a day is hard damn work. I can't see it affecting many people.

Hrm, I can easily use that in a few hours and that's with only the standard 512k service. One iso = 650mb, 2 cd's = 1.2 Gb = about 6 hours.

Personally it's not a problem for me, I rarely download that much in a day, but it pisses me off that they think they can impose a cap when they advertise the service as being unlimited.

If there *has* to be a cap then people who've forked out more for 1mbit connections should get double the cap of us 512k'ers.

NTL are fucking useless scum anyway, they'll be going out of business soon enough.

 

[Shocko]

Well, the good thing is that it's not a cap. I'm sure if you accidently download over a gig, once every now and again, there not gonna charge you extra, or kick you off, etc... From the wording, it seems like it's just there as a way for them beat bandwidth whores over the head.

 

[Dimebag]

They should spend some money and upgrade their infrastructure instead of being so shit. Money they probably dont have... due to them being shit. When they say a 1 Gb a day cap... am I right in thinking this is enforced on a monthly basis? As in 30 Gb a month... I'm not sure how doing it daily would work.

Sad really I was looking forward to a 1mbit cable modem service but there is utterly no way im going to get it now. Then again DSL providers may follow suit I guess, sad times.

I saw a poll on adsl guide about capping, something along the lines of "How should BT go about capping its heavy going P2P users". Strangley there wasnt an option that said "They shouldn't"

Dime

 

[Mellow-]

lol, NTL are shit.

 

[Shocko]

There is no fucking cap.

http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

In essence, if one uses more than the maximum guidance level for a prolonged period of time, the service is uneconomic for us - and over time would restrict the performance of the system for the other users. This does not mean that we don't expect our customers to use the service at high 600K and 1Megabit rates for periods of time; it simply means that a continuous prolonged use starts exhausting the available capacity for other people in the local neighbourhood especially at peak time and affects our ability to offer the services at these attractive prices.

Do you see? They've changed their AUP, so that they can crack down on people who are using their max bandwidth all day long, etc.

Why are so people so quick to get on the "NTL Bashing train"

 

[PR.]

Bah. Its my right, to use my bandwidth.

So far today I have downloaded 1.8gb and will have uploaded 1.2gb and thats before web browsing.

Thats not what I usually use, so I would prefer the AUP to read 30Gb per month. That way I can download 8gb in a day, then never use it again for anything more than web browsing

 

[old.milou]

http://www.dont-pay-ntl.co.uk/

This post from another forum:

It's simply allows them to punish persistent abusers on P2P 24/7 shafting the network for the rest of us. It's funny how everyone complains about shit pings these days while downloading crap every free second they get.

It's a reasonable limit that won't affect the majority of users. Even those who do download a fair bit now and again. It only screws over the excessive leech monkeys, which is a good thing.

He/she may have a point.

 

[Sar]

Dunno, I just downloaded 700mb in little under 3 hours - catching up on Buffy & Angel ya see

It'll only apply to bw whores, those people that would download 1Gb+ daily all the time. Not those of us who do it the odd time.

 

[]SK[]

Heh my NTL account closes next friday.

Just hope I can get ADSL to where I move to :|

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by Shocko
people so quick to get on the "NTL Bashing train"

Because they're shite?

 

[Panda On Smack]

fine for me

ive been on ntl for years. The odd hiccup but nobodys perfect

products made by imperfect humans can only be . . yep you guessed it . . imperfect!

 

[Moving Target]

Originally posted by mank!


Because they're shite?

The irony :|

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by Will.
Using more that 1Gb a day is hard damn work. I can't see it affecting many people.

Ever downloaded a full linux install? ;P

 

[N4sty]

Me not an expert, but from the thread running on NTHELL about the same thing seems to imply that all downloads are included in the 1 gig measure. That means all the info from web pages, games played etc. I dunno so dont flame me its just what I read what other peeps have said. But if you start to add up all the data transfered in a 3 hour session of UT a couple of e-mails with attatchments, some mp3's and it can start to get a little threating.

N4sty

 

[Furr]

Well i use the BT flavour of ADSL, so im happy enough, i remeber when they capped download speeds and got in big trouble.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Originally posted by mank!


Because they're shite?

Totally agreed

I've been an ntl customer for nearly 2 years now, everything used to be fine and I would defend them....that was until I encountered probelms last Novemeber.

It has taken numerous calls to their helpline (all of which start with at least a 50 minute onhold wait), all calls have been followed up with emails and still 3 months later the problem or erratic pings and timeouts has not been fixed.

The best answer I have managed to get out of them so far is "we are aware of the problem but cannot give you a time of when it will be fixed, please be patient". How can any company charge for a service which doesn't do what it says on the box, and then take over 3 months to acknowledge the problem and still not offer any assistance on when the problem will be rectified.......its pathetic if you ask me, and I'm already looking at alternatives

 

[Will]

Originally posted by MYstIC G
Ever downloaded a full linux install? ;P

Yes, I have an impressive array of Linux/BSD installs, but like has been pointed out, its not a "1Gb then we cut you off for the day", more like a maximum guidance rate.

And P2P programs annoy me when they run on my network, ISPs must feel the same with their own networks. And the erratic pings...do you not think they may be linked to the number of P2P clients running? Limewire running as a super-peer is like doing a DDoS attack on my own network.

 

[nath]

Originally posted by N4sty
But if you start to add up all the data transfered in a 3 hour session of UT a couple of e-mails with attatchments, some mp3's and it can start to get a little threating.

3 hours of any online game is gunna equate to fuck all, download wise. I'd say roughly 100mbs... absolute tops.

 

[Will]

My CS server, running on a very big connection, very rarely transfered more than 5Gb a month.

 

[Nos-]

Some more info on ADSLGuide.org.uk

Following on from our article regarding NTL downloads limits of 1GB per day, it would appear from reading the new Terms and conditions that users on the 'Home' services who run a VPN are now not allowed to do so.

There is some further information on the bandwidth limits available at The Enquirer. They have an email from an NTL user who has dragged some information out of NTL, apparently the 1GB/day, is averaged over the month, which is not so unreasonable. Initially people who exceed this will receive a warning letter, but if you persist your account may be converted to a business account.

Interestingly NTL is still advertising the cable modem service with such wonderful phrases as Unlimited surfing so you don't have to worry about high call charges. Which is interesting, since if you surf excessively, which is fairly easy in a household of 2 or more people, you may find your monthly bill increasing to business level pricing.

 

[.cage]

Originally posted by Will.
My CS server, running on a very big connection, very rarely transfered more than 5Gb a month.

Emule and usenet quite happily transfer probably double that a week here ;p

like granny said, one iso = 650-700...

I'm on blueyonder 1mbit, and im hoping they wont follow suit any time soon!

 

[Will]

And people wonder why they get poor pings and packet loss...

 

[whipped]

This won't change much if they are trying to make the service better. A load of people will use up their 1GB during the day and people may get a little better connection for a couple of hours, until people come home from work and use their 1GB. There's still going to be nearly the same amount of traffic on their network as people download large files at different times of the day. Silly NTL, maybe I should consider ADSL as I'm soon to be moving house.

 

[danger]

Originally posted by whipped
This won't change much if they are trying to make the service better. A load of people will use up their 1GB during the day and people may get a little better connection for a couple of hours, until people come home from work and use their 1GB. There's still going to be nearly the same amount of traffic on their network as people download large files at different times of the day. Silly NTL, maybe I should consider ADSL as I'm soon to be moving house.

It's a loosely guarded (well that parts debateable) 30gig a month... stop calling it a gig a day it's not going to be like BT OpenWound unlimited dial-up where you use your 150 hours and then get cut off for the rest of the month.... It'll just help them kick .cage off the service... fair play tbh a twofold bandwidth cut.... 1) less bandwidth used dl'ing ISO's all week 2) less bandwidth taken up by the rest of us downloading the pics he posts