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Will
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There is no mention of unlimited data use on ntl's website. So point me in the right direction. People that swear and use caps need to back up their points.
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Ash!
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Will I dont think you will find anything. I think the main gripe as I see it is what is infered in their Adverts about it being always on and 24/7 blah blah blah. What has upset so many people is the fact that the percieved service (rightly or wrongly) is being changed or partially taken away. The devil of course is in the detail.
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They get you hooked and then start raping you. It happened with Sky TV, those that can't remember it used to be free. It happened with "unlimited" dial ups. It WILL happen with broadband.
Irony is the Broadband suppliers that are advertising how quickly you can download music and films. The very stuff that is going to make them money long term, they will not (if it's their choice) stop P2P because of this.
I'll get my coat..........
Irony is the Broadband suppliers that are advertising how quickly you can download music and films. The very stuff that is going to make them money long term, they will not (if it's their choice) stop P2P because of this.
I'll get my coat..........
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Scouse
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I sat down this lunchtime and watched NTL's spammed repeated broadband advert with all these people saying how good it was that you could download "as much as you like"................
That good enough for you?
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The thing that strikes me as the most rediculous about it all is the 600k and 1mbit having the same cap.
What we know from the cap means effectively you can use your 1mbit line for 3 hours a day at full capacity before you've downloaded a gig. (approx)
So surely they need to have a cap that is larger than what the 600k line can actually push downstream in a day to make the 1mbit pipe worth buying at all? Otherwise its paying more money to use your connection for less time a day, pointless!
There is the whole "I want it now instead of later" factor but lets face it, the people who are exceeding the cap are big downloaders of warez and isos etc anyway so having to pay 10 quid a month extra just to do it faster isnt worth it.
Even with a 3 gig daily cap... a 600k line could push downsteam easily 5 gig and beyond a day, so who is going to purchase a 1mbit connection over 600k when the 600k connection is gonna provide easily enough bandwidth during the day to grab the capped limit.
Browsing webpages on a clear 600k or 1mbit line is virtually instantaneous in both cases anyway, so people not worried about the cap will obviously opt for the slower line for less money.
NTL have given utterly no insentive what so ever to fork out the extra money for 1mbit, and have lost my custom which they were gonna have in the summer. To make it attractive in the slightest they need a cap for 1mbit that is substantially higher than the 600k lines, but not just that, substantially higher than the 600k line is actually able to download in a day, or its still not worth it at all.
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What we know from the cap means effectively you can use your 1mbit line for 3 hours a day at full capacity before you've downloaded a gig. (approx)
So surely they need to have a cap that is larger than what the 600k line can actually push downstream in a day to make the 1mbit pipe worth buying at all? Otherwise its paying more money to use your connection for less time a day, pointless!
There is the whole "I want it now instead of later" factor but lets face it, the people who are exceeding the cap are big downloaders of warez and isos etc anyway so having to pay 10 quid a month extra just to do it faster isnt worth it.
Even with a 3 gig daily cap... a 600k line could push downsteam easily 5 gig and beyond a day, so who is going to purchase a 1mbit connection over 600k when the 600k connection is gonna provide easily enough bandwidth during the day to grab the capped limit.
Browsing webpages on a clear 600k or 1mbit line is virtually instantaneous in both cases anyway, so people not worried about the cap will obviously opt for the slower line for less money.
NTL have given utterly no insentive what so ever to fork out the extra money for 1mbit, and have lost my custom which they were gonna have in the summer. To make it attractive in the slightest they need a cap for 1mbit that is substantially higher than the 600k lines, but not just that, substantially higher than the 600k line is actually able to download in a day, or its still not worth it at all.
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Will
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I've got a 1meg connection with Blueyonder. I'm not a big downloader or uploader, but the faster speed is great for uploading files to remote servers (try uploading Halflife + Mod, about 200Mb, at 128k upstream), and my Eggdrop responds far faster, whereas on 512k, there was a noticable slowdown while I was gaming.
Its not a huge difference, but I feel its worth an extra tenner a month.
Its not a huge difference, but I feel its worth an extra tenner a month.
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i feel that £50 a year for 1mb/s downloads all year is pretty reasonable, muahgahgahghahg i love uni! \o/
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Durzel
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I find it ridiculous that Dimebag doesn't realise that the recurring cost for broadband/DSL providers is bandwidth usage, not provision of the line itself - whether it be 600k or 1Mb. I also find it ridiculous that someone would think 1Gb/day was something any average user could realistically go over without downloading ISOz every single day, 24/7.
Oh wait, thats what you do isn't it Dime! Now I understand why...
Oh wait, thats what you do isn't it Dime! Now I understand why...
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Durzel
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Exactly.
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Dimebag
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I understand its not the actual line its the bandwidth that costs money, why dont you try reading my last post again and realise that it is actually logical. I'm not going to attempt to justify what I said here because I feel I did a good enough job, what I said actually makes sense if you read it and think about it.
See this...
What those men are doing, thats you.
Also you can stop speaking out your ass. Firstly im forever getting stuff for YOU download. Secondly you are the one who upgraded to a 1mbit connection, im still on 512. Thirdly I do not download all day long, i share the line with 4 people so its going to get a lot of usage anyway. Fourthly you're dead inside and violently obese
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Durzel
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But I'm not the one complaining am I! I shamelessly download stuffz you source for me, but I'm doing so on borrowed time, under no illusion that eventually BY will go the same way as NTL.
Irrespective of everything you have already said, I found out some useful information about you today:
There you have it, the finest scholars of the land have made an accurate diagnosis of you - tall, shorter limbs (one shorter than the other), possessing only a rudimentary grasp of the English language with the general demeanour and social awareness of a 2 year old, lacking basic appreciation of fine arts and culture.
Oxford University scientists think the ginger gene, which is responsible for red hair, fair skin and freckles, could be up to 100,000 years old. Research leader Dr. Rosalind Harding said: "It is certainly possible that red hair comes from the Neanderthals." The Neanderthals are generally thought to have been a less intelligent species than modern man, Homo sapiens. They were taller and stockier, but with shorter limbs, bigger faces and noses, receding chins and low foreheads. They had a basic, guttural vocabulary of about 70 words, probably at the level of today's two-year-old, and they never developed a full language, art or culture.
That's you.
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Dimebag
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You're
1) 4 foot 6
2) Obese
3) Ugly
4) Smell
5) Septic
Huyhuhuhhuhuhu, peanut.
1) 4 foot 6
2) Obese
3) Ugly
4) Smell
5) Septic
Huyhuhuhhuhuhu, peanut.
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Testin da Cable
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careful Dimelet...you've just expended 10% of your vocabulary
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Durzel
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leggy
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Of course an appreciation of fine arts has nothing to do with intelligence... only an academic would make such a silly generalisation.
I dislike most "art" and have an IQ of 257.
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Scouse
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Durzel - you really do have a right stick up your ass for being a "consultant to a big ISP"...
Or were you talking shit about that??
Either way - can we change it to "not very clever and blinkered to other people's arguments consultant to a big ISP"
Can you not even acknowledge that as a consumer these people can honestly feel a bit pissed off?
Or were you talking shit about that??
Either way - can we change it to "not very clever and blinkered to other people's arguments consultant to a big ISP"
Can you not even acknowledge that as a consumer these people can honestly feel a bit pissed off?
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Dimebag
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dont slag off darren you son of a bitch!
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Scouse
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Have to - it's in my nature :mgwhore2:
If it's any consolation to him - I'll have forgotten about it in two weeks and love him again :kiss2:
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Durzel
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Don't paraphrase me twathead.
I never said I was a "consultant to a big ISP", I just said I was a senior consultant - which I am. I'm not waving it around either, although I'm sure you'd like me to in order to make it easier to throw abuse around.
The point is - I know how much bandwidth costs in "business circles", which is why I have little sympathy for people feeling "pissed off" at "only" being allowed 30Gb/month bandwidth for £25 a month.
1Gb/day is not unreasonable. And if people don't like it they can just vote with their feet.
They, you, whoever can moan about it until they're blue in the face - but the fact remains we're already getting an incredible deal on broadband in relation to business LL anyway.
(Incidentally - Dimebag is a good rl friend of mine, and he knew I wouldn't take offence by his post(s), nor would he by mine)
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Scouse
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I not saying it was unreasonable.
How many times do I have to stress to you that I agree that the action they're taking is the only reasonable course before you get it into your quite apparently blinkered skull??
What I am saying is unreasonable is that they advertised a service (and, unless the adverts have stopped today, still do) as unmetered, what you want, when you want, as much as you want.
Then they turn it around. All I'm saying is - that's it's not right and unfair to consumers who've bought the product as advertised and find now that they can't use it in the manner that they were told they can - by NTL.
How can you argue against that? (Well - you're not arguing against that really - although I've pointed that out several times (only for you to ignore it)).
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In relation to business LL ? Wow surely not, those prices being partly influenced by im guessing here... BT?
Maybe compared to business lines and what has come before 25 quid a month for 30Gb a month is a good deal, but every where else on the face of the earth, aside from perhaps Ireland, it isnt.
Its not as if LL were a good deal in the first place, I remember the white paper published a couple of years ago saying a 2 meg leased line was 3.x times the amount of a similar service across europe.
"good deals" are always relational to whats being presented around you. When all your neighbours have it better, cheaper and about 5 years before you its very hard to accept 35 quid a month for a 1mbps line you can use fully for 3 hours a day as being value for money.
Dime
Maybe compared to business lines and what has come before 25 quid a month for 30Gb a month is a good deal, but every where else on the face of the earth, aside from perhaps Ireland, it isnt.
Its not as if LL were a good deal in the first place, I remember the white paper published a couple of years ago saying a 2 meg leased line was 3.x times the amount of a similar service across europe.
"good deals" are always relational to whats being presented around you. When all your neighbours have it better, cheaper and about 5 years before you its very hard to accept 35 quid a month for a 1mbps line you can use fully for 3 hours a day as being value for money.
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Durzel
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Ginger
Before we go too far off course from the main thrust of this thread, I would like to point out that the following...
... is Dimebag.
That is all.
Before we go too far off course from the main thrust of this thread, I would like to point out that the following...
... is Dimebag.
That is all.
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Scouse
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Fucking LOL
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Durzel
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It depends how pedantic you're being about it really.
"Unmetered" and "Unlimited" in the minds of 90%+ of the people using broadband is just that - it's unlikely any "reasonable use" user would ever have cause to doubt that the service is both "unmetered" (which it obviously is) and "unlimited". Arguing over the semantics of the word "unlimited" when the vast majority of the prospective customers of the service wouldn't be affected by this 1Gb/day cap is pointless imo.
It's a bit like an all-you-can-eat offer at a restaurant - do you really think that the people who run these things don't have any kind of restriction - whether explicit or assumed - about how much food someone would actually consume? If it were actually physically possible for someone to consume ALL of the food on offer, there would be more obvious restrictions. In the case of NTL, because this scenario is entirely possible - that is why restrictions like these are put in place.
Most if not all "unlimited" schemes have some form of fallback caveat to stop people blatently abusing it.
You sound like an intelligent person Scouse, I have the feeling that you know that what NTL are doing is "just", but are just arguing about the semantics of the word "unlimited" for the sake of arguing. Right? Wrong?
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Dimebag
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Fat Jig
I know where you live coleman.
You obese porch monkey.
I know where you live coleman.
You obese porch monkey.
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Durzel
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I haven't got any morphs of you. This is so unfair.
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You think this is bad ? My BT isp have just capped my net usage at 150 hours a month , the cunts.
And if I get broadband they want to charge me £250 to change from isdn, even though if i dont have isdn its much cheaper.
And I live in a Eurobell area, which it seems is the last place in the world telewest are going to introduce cable modems. They've even done it in Cornwall, but not Crawley, which has a population of 120 000 people. So Telewest are cunts too.
/rant over, feel a bit better now ...
And if I get broadband they want to charge me £250 to change from isdn, even though if i dont have isdn its much cheaper.
And I live in a Eurobell area, which it seems is the last place in the world telewest are going to introduce cable modems. They've even done it in Cornwall, but not Crawley, which has a population of 120 000 people. So Telewest are cunts too.
/rant over, feel a bit better now ...
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Durzel
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The principal reason consumer broadband is so cheap is because it simply wouldn't sell if it was priced "accurately". You can't give people unmetered Freeserve dialup access for £9.99 a month, then suddenly ask them for £100 a month (which even then wouldn't offset bandwidth costs). It wouldn't really matter how much faster the line was, Joe Public wouldn't buy it.
To give you some kind of example - we sell 1Mb leased lines for around £600 a month, and 2Mb leased lines for around £799 a month....
Food for thought.