NTL to cap broadband

Scouse · Feb 14, 2003

You sound like an intelligent person Scouse, I have the feeling that you know that what NTL are doing is "just", but are just arguing about the semantics of the word "unlimited" for the sake of arguing. Right? Wrong?

I don't see it as arguing pedanticly m8. I do think that people are being misled.

Eg. Filesharing is one of the major drivers behind broadband installs at the moment. Of all the people I know who've upgraded to broadband (maybe 30 I know face-to-face so to speak) all but 2 of them have done it for filesharing reasons. (Myself and another m8 who's a gamer have done it for ping and patches).....

When they signed up to the Broadband services they asked the relevant questions (not all of them are very technically competent) - including like "is there a cutoff point" and "is it ok to use Kazaa" etc......

Ta for the compliment tho m8

When they are told things along the lines of "yes - all day if you like".... then I'd say that's a fairly big miss-sell....

throdgrain · Feb 14, 2003

Originally posted by mank!
I hope this will make you feel better throd

~YuckFou~ · Feb 14, 2003

:sleeping:

Durzel · Feb 14, 2003

Hmmmmrmmmmmm...

I'd still say that hitting 1Gb/day consistently, even using KaZaA to download MP3s is unlikely for most people.

The fundamental point of broadband, much like business leased lines, is that when you buy the line - you're not actually really paying for 512kb sustained bandwidth. Or at least, it's expected that you aren't.

E.g. When someone buys a business leased line - they pay for the installation/rental of the line itself (which obviously varies depending on how big the pipe is) and for a bandwidth contract from an ISP who provides Internet connectivity across said line. The two things are entirely seperate and in most cases billed seperately as well.

We have customers here at work who have 2Mb leased lines, and 3Gb/month bandwidth contracts. In theory this customer could max their line out 24/7, downloading at 256kb/sec, they would go over 3Gb in about 3.5 hours. Of course, in business contracts its explicitly mentioned in the T&Cs how much bandwidth they are allowed to use, penalties for going above it, etc.

In consumer terms the limit is more of an implied expectation of the ISP of the bandwidth utilisation based on an "average users usage" (since the whole service is a mass market "one size fits all" one, as opposed to a exacting single-customer specification). But the limit is still there.

I just think it is all too easy and utopic for people to believe that anything in life touted as "unlimited" is exactly that, without any restriction - implied or explicit. Nothing is, in practice.

Johnny Bravo · Feb 14, 2003

Originally posted by Durzel
I just think it is all too easy and utopic for people to believe that anything in life touted as "unlimited" is exactly that, without any restriction - implied or explicit. Nothing is, in practice.

I would say your drivel seems pretty "unlimited"

CptDoom · Feb 14, 2003

What i find absurd is how people are accepting it as thge way things are going like it can be only accepte and dealt with..

Fuck me, why dont they just cap em all and then we wouldnt have this dicsussion anyway..

Lester · Feb 14, 2003

I'm getting this now. Have I been capped?

Scouse · Feb 14, 2003

Durzel - you're expecting people who have absolutely no knowledge of what you're talking about to sort of "know" this magically.

They've asked questions about what "unlimited" and "unmetered" means and got answers.

It's just the answers were actually lies............

Testin da Cable · Feb 14, 2003

just to pop in with some meaningless numbers:

I've monitored my home kit for a week (that's 7 days heh)
workstation: ~1.8Gb total traffic
web&mail: ~280Mb total traffic
that's both internal and external traffic. I haven't gotten into my fw's logs yet, but I hazard that ext traffic is about 1Gb.

Shocko · Feb 14, 2003

Give up Durzel, the argument has been won. We've successfully established:

NTL are acting entirely legally
NTL are doing the "right thing", in giving the bandwidth-whores a slap
Broadband isn't overpriced

The debate has degraded, to arguing individual points, rather than the whole argument. What is Dimebag actually saying? What does he want/think? I really haven't a clue

Scouse seems to be annoyed that NTL advertise their cable as unlimited, whereas it no longer is. This has been covered. They can hardly pull their whole advertising campaign over a completely stupid detail, that 99% of the people who they're trying to persuade to buy cable, won't care about...

How about this:
It's not right for NTL to advertise cable as unlimited, now it no longer is. If they carry on touting it as unlimited, when they next change their advertising campaign, then they're cunts. Happy?

Thread. Closed.

mank! · Feb 14, 2003

My cat's breath smells of catfood

Testin da Cable · Feb 14, 2003

isn't that what Durz said Shocko? dunno really, I never listen to him as it is :]

Scouse · Feb 14, 2003

Actually Mr. Da Cable - it's sorta what I've been saying..........

Testin da Cable · Feb 14, 2003

hmm. perhaps I should read threads properly before butting in

*puts scouse on ignore*

Shocko · Feb 14, 2003

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Dimebag · Feb 14, 2003

Durz i'd give up explaining things to people who dont want to listen.

Also I didnt want to start a thread for this so picked a broadband related thingy thready thing for it...

Check this out...

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/isps.asp?action=prodinfo&retail_id=530

Is that a deal or is that a deal?

Dime

Scooba Da Bass · Feb 14, 2003

It's a good deal if they EVER BOTHER TO REPLY. I've been waiting 2 months for them to get back to me with an installation date.

bodhi · Feb 14, 2003

Kinda makes me laugh you lot squabbling over 1GB a day when I've downloaded 3 gig in half an hour up here.

Dimebag · Feb 17, 2003

You're obese though bod.

Testin da Cable · Feb 19, 2003

According to Mr Smith, the decision to cap the service was taken by Mr Goodland. And it was he who decided not to tell customers because he "didn?t think they were 'Tech' enough to understand".

you're all illiterate fools, say NTL. read more here. with links!

*Kornholio* · Feb 19, 2003

Originally posted by bodhi
Kinda makes me laugh you lot squabbling over 1GB a day when I've downloaded 3 gig in half an hour up here.

What sort of connection are you on ?

old.Fweddy · Feb 19, 2003

Bods is stealing Uni bandwidth, provided so students can further their education. By watching porn.

leggy · Feb 19, 2003

Originally posted by *Kornholio*

What sort of connection are you on ?

That'll be JANET

bodhi · Feb 20, 2003

Originally posted by *Kornholio*

What sort of connection are you on ?

I overclocked my ISDN card. It's pretty fucking fast.

Scouse · Feb 20, 2003

Fucking lol

old.Fweddy · Feb 20, 2003

Originally posted by bodhi

I overclocked my ISDN card. It's pretty fucking fast.

Does it need a lot of extra cooling?

(Shovel) · Feb 20, 2003

I read that you have to pour a gallon of ice cold water over the card every 10 seconds to stop it exploding.

Ash! · Feb 21, 2003

Is anybody aware of what the average costs of waht we compared to say the US or South Korea

Testin da Cable · Feb 21, 2003

yes. NEXT!!

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