Rant Munters

[old.Tohtori]

What a load of crap. What women would make up stuff like that? And why should I expect get hounded?

Missing the point and it's not crap.

For example; Man says "I'm off for a drink", woman thinks "he's going to oogle at women". etc etc etc. Women overthink, overanalyze and cook up stuff in their own head which then becomes the truth. Basically the "what did he mean by that" line is your curse.

Not all, mostly it's harmless, but it DOES happen.

Example of my life; Was looking at a hockey game at a sports bar, a woman walks over who was sitting below the tv at distance, says to me "Look, i'm not interested so stop staring."

Just as a reference.

If i took your case and spun it into this mold; The guy was dancing near you, you gave the wrong signal perhaps or no signal at all, he followed and even tried to start a discussion, but the "oile freak" was already in your head.

THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN, but you get my point. Exaggaration.

And again, you shouldn't expect, but you should know by any logic known to mankind that dressing in a certain way, this means flautning, high skirt, pushups etc, WILL attract attention and NOT be shocked about it.

 

[russell]

Missing the point and it's not crap.

For example; Man says "I'm off for a drink", woman thinks "he's going to oogle at women". etc etc etc. Women overthink, overanalyze and cook up stuff in their own head which then becomes the truth. Basically the "what did he mean by that" line is your curse.

Not all, mostly it's harmless, but it DOES happen.

Example of my life; Was looking at a hockey game at a sports bar, a woman walks over who was sitting below the tv at distance, says to me "Look, i'm not interested so stop staring."

Just as a reference.

I dont agree.

I know as many men that over -analyse, as I do women.

That was just a simple mistake and all you needed to say was' I was looking at the TV, not you'

If i took your case and spun it into this mold; The guy was dancing near you, you gave the wrong signal perhaps or no signal at all, he followed and even tried to start a discussion, but the "oile freak" was already in your head.

THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN, but you get my point. Exaggaration.

Too right. I was dancing and with my friends. No 'signals'

And again, you shouldn't expect, but you should know by any logic known to mankind that dressing in a certain way, this means flautning, high skirt, pushups etc, WILL attract attention and NOT be shocked about it.

If I was wearing my undies, yeah I'd get attention. I see that. But thats about it.

If a man wears tight trousers I'm not staring at his cock or even thinking about it. If a boobie is hanging out, again fair play. But we are talking about normal clothes here on average looking women, and imo that does not ask for extreme letching where by my next step would have had to be calling the bouncer.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If I was wearing my undies, yeah I'd get attention. I see that. But thats about it.

If a man wears tight trousers I'm not staring at his cock or even thinking about it. If a boobie is hanging out, again fair play. But we are talking about normal clothes here on average looking women and that does not ask for extreme letching where by my next step would have had to be calling the bouncer.

Well as i think i said, wasn't meaning the "dress a certain way" about you. General point.

And if a man wears tight trousers, female kind show attention as much as men show to women with push-ups and short skirts.

And you're not seriously saying that if you think i'm looking at you, you have the right to come along and "put me in my place"?

 

[leviathane]

If I was wearing my undies, yeah I'd get attention. I see that. But thats about it.

So you weren't wearing any panties then? Britney exposed

 

[russell]

Well as i think i said, wasn't meaning the "dress a certain way" about you. General point.

And if a man wears tight trousers, female kind show attention as much as men show to women with push-ups and short skirts.

And you're not seriously saying that if you think i'm looking at you, you have the right to come along and "put me in my place"?

No Im not saying that at all!

 

[russell]

So you weren't wearing any panties then? Britney exposed

Hehe. Would be rather cold.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No Im not saying that at all!

Good, good. 'cause it kinda sounded like it.

To be fair, i didn't say the females tone at the moment, which was in the territory of "what the hell are you looking at".

Not the only time i might add.

But that's true with all self-centered morons eh

Nothing personal, i know this might have seemed like a "russell is like this!" answers, but it was at the general populus.

Both our genders have about 50% of problem people who cause the other 50% to have a harder time :lol:

 

[russell]

If I was wearing my undies, yeah I'd get attention. I see that. But thats about it.

Christ that reads wrong! I was wearing knickers. I meant if I was only out in my underwear- I could see how that would attract attention.

 

[tris-]

i know what tohtori is banging on about.
many times ive looked in the general direction of a female and theyve been all "LIKE OMG WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?"

 

[Wazzerphuk]

FYI Russel the "get over yourself" comment is not aimed at you, or anyone in particular. More a general comment to the nightclub scene types who think they're better than everyone that tries to talk to them.

 

[Yoni]

If I am looked at I smile back... this doesn't mean I am up for anything. I had an experience on a train to southampton a few weeks ago where this lad got on and stared and stared and stared... eventually I poked my tongue out at him.

I feel you were unlucky with that one Russell, most blokes in my opinion are terrified of approaching us girlehs.. lets face it rejection sucks donkey balls. The only way some can approach us sometimes is with booze in them for dutch courage, others use different tactics like hanging round supermarkets or ensuring that they cross our paths if they notice we are at the same place everyday like commuting on a train.

As I said I used to go dancing seriously many years ago and people were there to dance and for no other reason. I have to say eighties cheesey nights are famed for being picked up which is why I don't find myself in them regularly if at all (I used to work behind the bar in one... amazing what you can see from watching human behavior).. If I were to consider going to one now I would probably go in a mixed group to ensure I was looked after...

As for dressing most women I know dress for themselves rather than with the intention of "copping off"... ironically a woman more comfortable with herself and feeling good will be more likely to be approached than one who is wearing a load of stuff because they feel it is necessary to attract a bloke..

 

[old.user4556]

Not really, women are completely closed off to male approaches anywhere in society other than drinking establishments such as pubs and clubs... anywhere else and the majority will consider the person approaching them to be a weird stalker. If women were more receptive to people in normal, day to day situations then men wouldn't feel that the only place they can get a woman is a pub/club.

And anyone expecting a real conversation and flirting at a club is having a laugh. It's pretty hard to do when you have to lean into someone's mouth every time you want to hear them and shout just to make yourself heard. That makes it pretty hard to add the subtle nuances required for successful flirting and conversation.

Plus, if you go to an 80s themed night, you're asking for it. Go to somewhere for the music; not for some generic crap DJ bashing out the same tunes week after week. The audiences at those venues and nights is always much worse than anywhere else. Choose better venues, better music and like a lot of women, get over yourself! A lot of women create these situations themselves, over-exaggerating their 'victim' status and demonising a person they haven't even had the decency to speak to.

Wise words wazz.

 

[old.user4556]

..and Russell; when I was on the way into Scotland's capital this morning, a 'munters' van drove past me and I wondered if it contained a caché of oily small men .

A quick google revealed United Kingdom - English - Munters

 

[Edmond]

..and Russell; when I was on the way into Scotland's capital this morning, a 'munters' van drove past me and I wondered if it contained a caché of oily small men .

Ha Ha, I see those vans all the time, always makes me chuckle

 

[russell]

If I am looked at I smile back... this doesn't mean I am up for anything. I had an experience on a train to southampton a few weeks ago where this lad got on and stared and stared and stared... eventually I poked my tongue out at him.

I feel you were unlucky with that one Russell, most blokes in my opinion are terrified of approaching us girlehs.. lets face it rejection sucks donkey balls. The only way some can approach us sometimes is with booze in them for dutch courage, others use different tactics like hanging round supermarkets or ensuring that they cross our paths if they notice we are at the same place everyday like commuting on a train.

As I said I used to go dancing seriously many years ago and people were there to dance and for no other reason. I have to say eighties cheesey nights are famed for being picked up which is why I don't find myself in them regularly if at all (I used to work behind the bar in one... amazing what you can see from watching human behavior).. If I were to consider going to one now I would probably go in a mixed group to ensure I was looked after...

As for dressing most women I know dress for themselves rather than with the intention of "copping off"... ironically a woman more comfortable with herself and feeling good will be more likely to be approached than one who is wearing a load of stuff because they feel it is necessary to attract a bloke..

Yoni I agree with what you say about dressing to feel good and heed your warning about Eighties nights.

From the way this thread has gone, I gather I need to avoid Eighties nights, wear jeans and a roll neck sweater and just except that men will try and grind up against me and then may follow me round for the night.

Is that whats happens at Freddy Beers?!
I think not, I think you will have much better things to do like
and chatting.

 

[bob269]

Is that whats happens at Freddy Beers?!
I think not, I think you will have much better things to do like
and chatting.

No, it's full of fanny kicking

 

[russell]

Course. I forgot!

 

[Yoni]

Its just friends talking... I didn't witness any grinding... they were all decent (sorry if I ruin any reputations) blokes.

 

[russell]

I know. I realise that

 

[Dukat]

Its just friends talking... I didn't witness any grinding... they were all decent (sorry if I ruin any reputations) blokes.

Are you sure you went to the right place? This doesnt sound at all right to me!

 

[lecter]

Its just friends talking... I didn't witness any grinding... they were all decent (sorry if I ruin any reputations) blokes.

Heh this is because most of the men are too scared to talk to a girl. It is all too easy to create and hide behind an internet ego. Going to a pub and seeing what happens sorts the men from the boys as it were.

 

[Edmond]

Heh this is because most of the men are too scared to talk to a girl. It is all too easy to create and hide behind an internet ego. Going to a pub and seeing what happens sorts the men from the boys as it were.

Haa Haa QFT

 

[old.Tohtori]

Heh this is because most of the men are too scared to talk to a girl. It is all too easy to create and hide behind an internet ego. Going to a pub and seeing what happens sorts the men from the boys as it were.

Why? Becuase most of the men think of girls as something you need to impress, in any way.

If you talk to a girl like a human, it's easy as pie.

 

[leviathane]

confidence goes a long way, and also making women laughs helps, i personally don't see all the hoo haa about chatting girls up in a club it's easy if your confident. Go over showing a sign of weakness your gonna get chewed up alive, unless they like the needier guys.

 

[russell]

Needy guys are a big no no.

 

[Yoni]

Needy guys who go to eightys bars to pick women up are a no no. I am not sure though what you mean by that term though?... most people need something (companionship, sex, Master, slave whatever) or we would be quite content living on our own like Tris.

 

[russell]

I just think that appearing needy when you just meet someone is a huge turn off. For males or females-well, it is for me.

Mind you. thinking back, I have fallen for my fair share of 'tortured souls' in the past.

 

[Yoni]

Is there a difference though between needy and naturally flirtatious? When thinking about this I feel there is.. I also feel that those who are genuinely in need are often the ones who are more challenging and therefore exciting. They are the dark silent ones with eyes which hide interesting things or who are unusually excitable playing the clown as a self defense mechanism usually because they have been hurt horribly historically.

Please understand those sleezy slimey individuals who tend to grind up against women in clubs or who sit next to you on a train where there are loads of seats available, or use really crass chat up lines not to mention "over confident" are just EURGH. Usually they are just out for what they can get.

Naturally flirtatious though is yummeh.. those who flirt without knowing and who have childlike qualities in that they are playful and slightly temperamental also yummeh.

 

[leviathane]

Naturally flirtatious though is yummeh.. those who flirt without knowing and who have childlike qualities in that they are playful and slightly temperamental also yummeh.

Have to agree in my findings as a bloke. Well except the yummeh part

 

[russell]

Is there a difference though between needy and naturally flirtatious? When thinking about this I feel there is.. I also feel that those who are genuinely in need are often the ones who are more challenging and therefore exciting. They are the dark silent ones with eyes which hide interesting things or who are unusually excitable playing the clown as a self defense mechanism usually because they have been hurt horribly historically.

Please understand those sleezy slimey individuals who tend to grind up against women in clubs or who sit next to you on a train where there are loads of seats available, or use really crass chat up lines not to mention "over confident" are just EURGH. Usually they are just out for what they can get.

Naturally flirtatious though is yummeh.. those who flirt without knowing and who have childlike qualities in that they are playful and slightly temperamental also yummeh.

totally with you there... yummeh yummeh