Mids in emain, a general thanks for playing way you did today

[Otho]

when the casualls complain about no enemies because they zerged the shit out of them, they wont pay anymore, kmeight

I think opted groups is one of the biggest problems for people doing casual RvR. Running in to a "opted and unkillable" group (all ML10 and loaded with artis makes much of that "skill") is a one of the biggest turn downs.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Your entire argument can be turned on its head from the viewpoint of a casual player. This has been my point the whole evening. You say that dedicated guilds should not be expected to care too much about "randoms" (such a nice word). Why would the casual players care about dedicated guilds? Give me one reason. They pay the same subscription fees as you do.

It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that this game is for everyone, casual and dedicated <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> alike, and you are more or less speaking to the choir when you complain here or on IRC (especially on IRC).

Also, Kraben is taking the side of the "underdog" here (and me too, for that matter), we do play in a semi-opted, semi-fixed group.

Now answer the question i asked in my post pls :>

 

[Eroda]

Well the main problem is just the fact that mid is far more active in rvr than any other realm atm so end up with a situation where emain just builds up with more and more mids. Before there were alot more albs out and so the numbers often stayed fairly balanced.

The game is pretty dire for hibs atm being that they have alot less players anyway and then when they finally do get to emain, they end up dead in 5mins due to sheer numbers. I can see why it would be very frustrating and would certainly annoy me.

You would hope the opted high rr guild groups would maybe show some respect to fg vs fg fights and to not add. However u just cant expect 'random' unopted groups to care, they are out to enjoy the game also and the simple fact is that unless they have some help, they haven't a chance in hell of killing another group.
You can ofc ask random groups not to add on fights but swearing at them and generally being disrespectful is not a good way to go about it. In fact im sure it would have totally the opposite effect and people would make a point of adding.

But dont expect dedicated guilds to care too much about randoms, those ppl put alot of time and afford into the game to achieve something ofc they want decent and fair RvR without adding and zerging you would too if you put 10+ hours into the game daily.

Ofc people who put alot of effort into the game would want decent fights but when it comes down to it, it is a game. Everyone pays the same subscription so noone has the right to tell others what they can and cant do. Saying things like people who dont want to run in a set group should find another game is totally stupid, they have every right to play the game in whatever way they enjoy. If that means they have fun in a pack of 20 stealthers at amg then fair enough.

Either way, NF is released soon and i would expect the situation to change. I think rvr will improve to some extent (at least initially) with the focus for alot of players being on keeps which fgs can avoid if they wish to do so.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

little missunderstanding there btw
random != noob
when i mean noob i say noob but i meant randoms

random just means they dont play in regular RvR group

 

[Otho]

if you want enemies to fight, try to make em feel they have chance, else they wont come back

q to the q

So that is the reason you run in an optet group I guess

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Well the main problem is just the fact that mid is far more active in rvr than any other realm atm so end up with a situation where emain just builds up with more and more mids. Before there were alot more albs out and so the numbers often stayed fairly balanced.

The game is pretty dire for hibs atm being that they have alot less players anyway and then when they finally do get to emain, they end up dead in 5mins due to sheer numbers. I can see why it would be very frustrating and would certainly annoy me.

You would hope the opted high rr guild groups would maybe show some respect to fg vs fg fights and to not add. However u just cant expect 'random' unopted groups to care, they are out to enjoy the game also and the simple fact is that unless they have some help, they haven't a chance in hell of killing another group.
You can ofc ask random groups not to add on fights but swearing at them and generally being disrespectful is not a good way to go about it. In fact im sure it would have totally the opposite effect and <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> would make a point of adding.



Ofc <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> who put alot of effort into the game would want decent fights but when it comes down to it, it is a game. Everyone pays the same subscription so noone has the right to tell others what they can and cant do. Saying things like <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> who dont want to run in a set group should find another game is totally stupid, they have every right to play the game in whatever way they enjoy. If that means they have fun in a pack of 20 stealthers at amg then fair enough.

Either way, NF is released soon and i would expect the situation to change. I think rvr will improve to some extent (at least initially) with the focus for alot of players being on keeps which fgs can avoid if they wish to do so.

they have the right to play the game however they want OK
and who gives them the right to destroy RvR for every serious player?
i gave several possibilitys how to enjoy the game w/o destroying it for everyone else i think your personal right ends where the rights of the mass begin
if you dont like any of those possibilitys then i think its time to look for a new game yes ...

 

[Eroda]

they have the right to play the game however they want OK
and who gives them the right to destroy RvR for every serious player?
i gave several possibilitys how to enjoy the game w/o destroying it for everyone else i think your personal right ends where the rights of the mass begin
if you dont like any of those possibilitys then i think its time to look for a new game yes ...

You seem to be under the impression that the serious player is in the majority? They are certainly the most vocal people on these forums i agree but when i look at the realm of Albion, i generally see far more people who play the game on a casual basis for fun.

I play in both opted and 'random' groups and there is 2 sides you can look at it. When im with high rr's and the group is zerged or adds occur mid way through a good fight then ofc it is frustrating and i could easily say 'ffs all these zergs are ruining the game, cant ever get a clean fight anymore'.

However if im running in a random group and the entire group gets killed in 10s by an opted one i could also quite easily say 'ffs, cant do a thing anymore, u cant leave apk without a perfectly balanced and decent rr group'.

When it comes down to it you can ask people to respect the way in which you play the game but you should also respect the way in which they want to play it too. Neither way is wrong, its just a difference in what people find enjoyable.

 

[Jupiter]

givf guild emblems on cloaks again

 

[Azathrim]

I so agree with Eroda on this one. Having tried running in randoms and being steamrolled in a few seconds by an opted is no fun. Having tried to steamroll a random group while in an opted group is ... well, it gives RP at least, no?

I honestly don't think there is much to do about this problem at the moment. It's not like the opted groups will turn away from steamrolling random groups, and the random groups won't stop adding. The only thing you can focus on is having a bit of maturity and avoid being a prick with a bad attitude.

That said, let us hope NF changes the situation. It will certainly give a new playstyle for both opted and random groups. The question is, will the opted groups be able to adapt and will the random groups get a better chance without just turning into The Zerg?

 

[Corran]

they have the right to play the game however they want OK
and who gives them the right to destroy RvR for every serious player?
i gave several possibilitys how to enjoy the game w/o destroying it for everyone else i think your personal right ends where the rights of the mass begin
if you dont like any of those possibilitys then i think its time to look for a new game yes ...

hmm, yet are you taking on board that every serious player ruins rvr for the casual player? nope.

And casual players are a much greater % the the serious player in albion. That means by your statement that you as a serious player have no rights. If you dont like that then YOU go find a new game maybe?

 

[Zakalwe]

Posting from the viewpoint of a humble Random, casual player, who longs in the future to have a more dynamic RvR experiance, i can say that emain is almost a waste of time. I very often have limited time so i can't always afford to wait hours for a random grp to form. Occasiaonally i have tried to tag along to a grp. I have no idea whether its an opted or not grps are grps to my noobish eyes. I ahve also found that on many times as a lone tagger i have very little affect on the battle, i'm usually unbuffed and wont get healed. So that shouldn't pose too much of a problem most grps ahve speed enhance anyway. As a random grpy i would say that when you see a fight you see a fight its hard to tell in those split seconds whether there opteds or not, whether they need assistance or as it seems from these posts are too arrogant to admit such a things. Most of the time the random grp would charge in and die quite quickly if against even half a high RR experienced grp and usually unless we are feeling particularly enthusiastic the grp will disband or at least loose a few members.

Atm i rarely go RvR except for raids and they are few. Some peeps will post on asend that blh blah keep is under attack. You spam the grp find in the hope that a retake BG forms , Not having the experience or political clout to form your own, and nothing happens. Thats the sad state of RvR for me and i'll echo what was said by the defenders of us noobs, in that swearing at my to F off when i have as much right to wonder emain as you, will just mean that i'm more likely to ACCIDENTELY get involved in your fights

I hope NF will change the situation and allow an equal share of RvR experience, although for you i fear the display or big fights will work against the opteds, it'll allow the lost random peeps to get to the battles quicker, and in all probability die quicker.

 

[Tuorin]

Honestly tho it's kinda strange to blame the randoms for that...its the opted guilds that has affected rvr most and turned it into what it is now

Not blaming anyone its just the way it currently is. Too many people have left (you being just one) and too few are involved in active setups, especially from Hib and alb viewpoint. There's also a lot of Mids not playing.

I dunno what the solution is, I do know 90% of the time rvr is horrid. Rvr the other night was acceptable, thats how bad it is when have to post to say thanks.

Perhaps might be a good idea to think about how to resolve Prydwens problems.

 

[Krait]

they have the right to play the game however they want OK
and who gives them the right to destroy RvR for every serious player?
i gave several possibilitys how to enjoy the game w/o destroying it for everyone else i think your personal right ends where the rights of the mass begin
if you dont like any of those possibilitys then i think its time to look for a new game yes ...

The majority want opted groups ?

If max at primetime was 1500 online for example (mid 45%,alb 35%,hib 20%),then a majority would be mid ~340,alb ~270,hib ~160....all these playing in FG's in RvR would make mid 42fg+,alb 33fg+ and hib 20fg+ spread over all zones.
In reality it's 3/4 for mids,2/3 for albs and 1/2 for hibs....such a large majority there

Do'nt you just love statistics

 

[Stinko]

haha you sad fucks
reallise that's its 80mids+ in emain, we ran around for 2h without a fight, and w00ps a fg hibs, low rr, they attack mids close to silo/amg, we run away to let em have a chance of some fight, the random groups swarm in their bg and zerg em directly.
XYZÅÄÖ

Come on! Where have you grown this attitude? Probably you've found the cool RvR you've been searching for. I remember when being your GM that you'd struggle and die alot for 10k rp / evening. I.e a very causal player. Don't shoot yourself in the back Mad.

 

[Zebolt]

i didnt grp

You soloed your RM to RR5? :>

 

[Zebolt]

he is not saying at any point that he thinks of himself as uber leet etc.

He does think that tho

 

[Edlina]

The thing everyone seems to ignore, is that randoms, by adding, destroy their own RvR, not only the ppl playing in opted grps rvr.

 

[Tirfo]

The majority want opted groups ?

If max at primetime was 1500 online for example (mid 45%,alb 35%,hib 20%),then a majority would be mid ~340,alb ~270,hib ~160....all these playing in FG's in RvR would make mid 42fg+,alb 33fg+ and hib 20fg+ spread over all zones.
In reality it's 3/4 for mids,2/3 for albs and 1/2 for hibs....such a large majority there

Do'nt you just love statistics

79% of statistics are incorrect

The thing about this thread is some of us hibs noticed a big change in mids attitude towards fights in emain /salute , wasn't just the opted high rr grp that was out it was the randoms also, only got 2 silly fights but i think 1 of the random grps we met didnt know they had another random grp tagging them not far behind, this kinda crap will happen, but for the majority of the night mids were great to fight and not just the high rr grp.

P.S. our grp was mostly built up of the last men standing from TDD Eclipse and AD (and myself ) guess you could say we was decent rr randoms, we had no idea how we would perform on the night as most of us hadnt played together before regularly and theres always an air of uncertainty when running a grp like that.

 

[Corran]

You soloed your RM to RR5? :>

i pretty much solo'd a level 45/46 merc to rr4l5 so i would say in the old days it would of been possible to solo a rm to RR5

 

[Coldbeard]

I hate you KLAN NIDSTANG! I really do :/

 

[Tuthmes]

they are lame aye :/

 

[Belomar]

The thing everyone seems to ignore, is that randoms, by adding, destroy their own RvR, not only the ppl playing in opted grps rvr.

On the contrary, this is what this thread has been all about. The point is that casual players don't really have the bigger picture of RvR like more dedicated people do (the ones who use IRC and post here regularly).

But if it is like Tirfo says, that even casual pickup groups were trying not to add, then maybe things are improving.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

hmm, yet are you taking on board that every serious player ruins rvr for the casual player? nope.

And casual players are a much greater % the the serious player in albion. That means by your statement that you as a serious player have no rights. If you dont like that then YOU go find a new game maybe?

hehe you guys are rly slow-minded
the mass are ALL players casual or not
what do you want to fight with your zerg when NO1 else is in emain .....

fact is zerging/adding make ppl log when ppl log = no RvR for anyone no matter if serious or casual player

 

[daoc_xianghua]

The thing everyone seems to ignore, is that randoms, by adding, destroy their own RvR, not only the ppl playing in opted grps rvr.

yay /em makes fest irl
some1 with enuff braincells to get the point

 

[DaggerElivager]

yeh zebolt from retail i had lvl32 summon sm i got to rr4 solo at start of retail...then re rolled as runie and got him to rr5 ish then my acc got screwed and re did runie againe >< (3rd mystikstew) which was rr5 ish...and dagger was only 1 version but cos i never have had a buffbot and i did solo mostly i didnt worry bout kills and just had fun...a fact many people cant handle. As i said before i cudnt give a shit bout rp's otherwise i wud be quite high rr and anyone who knows me knows wot im like.

 

[MaditioneR]

Come on! Where have you grown this attitude? Probably you've found the cool RvR you've been searching for. I remember when being your GM that you'd struggle and die alot for 10k rp / evening. I.e a very causal player. Don't shoot yourself in the back Mad.

well its true? i tried to make groups to rvr with back then when i just hit 50 etc too

 

[Maeloch]

The thing everyone seems to ignore, is that randoms, by adding, destroy their own RvR, not only the ppl playing in opted grps rvr.

How? Randoms don't whine 10% as much on these forums as ppl playing in opted grps.

Mael, 50th ment.

 

[Dreami]

Choose the chillax pill and all your troubles fade away.

 

[Stinko]

well its true? i tried to make groups to rvr with back then when i just hit 50 etc too

You didn't find groups with alliance material of over 120 player... remember

 

[Vladamir]

Choose the chillax pill and all your troubles fade away.

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