Mids in emain, a general thanks for playing way you did today

[Belomar]

all you talk about is yourself , how you as casual player etc play the game
try looking from a different kind of perspective etc some say

No, that's the point--congratulations for missing it completely. I don't see myself as a casual player. When our fixed group is out, we look for fair and fun fights and try to stay out of ongoing fights whenever possible. (We were not the SC group that Valgair claimed added on them.) However, I do try to see things from a different perspective; both from that of more casual players, as well as the Hibs (I played Hib/Prydwen before ToA).

You all speak as if the casual players are maliciously trying to kill Prydwen RvR. They are not--it's the Tragedy of the Commons again. Casual players (many or even most of which don't read FH or use IRC) are not very experienced at RvR and have no concept of not adding for the sake of promoting RvR; in fact, they have no concept of "adding" at all. The times they have come upon an opted group as a single FG, they have usually been wiped, and rather badly too. Yes, it is frustrating for us more dedicated players, and we often throw tantrums when we do get zerged or added upon, but superior numbers is unfortunately practically the only way a casual player can win over opted, experienced and high-RR groups.

 

[MaditioN]

but superior numbers is unfortunately practically the only way a casual player can win over opted, experienced and high-RR groups.

no shit sherlock!

 

[Sagano]

my post wasnt directed towards you belomar
read other posts in the thread and you might get my point

fact is :
-current rvr = dead
-everyone complains about it ( casuals AND rvr groups )
-rvr groups are out there everyday and know what makes people log ( adding is one of them )
so rvr grps say : to keep rvr scene playable try to avoid constant adding and zerging because our low population server cant handle it becoz if a few grps log there is nothing left to fight unlike other servers where there is still shitloads of other peepz left
-for some people its clearly more important to get rps then fights so add on everything who cares about the future !
and that group of people is not casuals ALONE .

so plz stop that crusade against rvrgroups coz this problem has NOTHING to do with casuals and rvr groups coz there are people in both *groups* doing it all the time

so stick the casual have rights too and stuff like that where the sun doesnt shine coz thats NOT the problem

 

[Puppet]

Yes, it is frustrating for us more dedicated players, and we often throw tantrums when we do get zerged or added upon, but superior numbers is unfortunately practically the only way a casual player can win over opted, experienced and high-RR groups.

I've been playing in an entirely shit random crap group on my druid last week and I got zerged shitless still..

Those groups I was in would horribly loose to just about everything; yes EVEN the random mid groups.

Yet there's still the adding; and saying they got no concept of adding is a lie; go hit the mob when 'they' pull and read ^^^

Random or not; they should be able to illustrate the empathy you trying to teach Valgair. If you where a random (you're not) you can *THINK* and *KNOW* 1fg Hibs/whatever wont come back when you zerg em three times in a row.

I think that the best way for 'randoms' to get RP's is to get 'randoms' from the other realms in Emain. you dont get those in Emain if you zerg em down each time.

Its the egg and the chicken story really; to get something constructive going you need to make sacrifices in the short run: stop adding/zerging. But surely more enemies is WAY more RP's and fights in the long run.

And honestly those randoms do it for RP's otherwise I cannot imagine why you do it.. I dont see many roleplayers on Prydwen who scream 'FOR HIBERNIA!', 'FOR ODINS!' , 'FOR ARTHUR' at each fight. Beside the point; standing at AMG for 2 hours ganking the lone solo'er once every 15 mins cannot be fun I guess ?

My 2 cents

 

[Sagano]

:wub: puppet

 

[ghoulert]

i care much for this thread, just enough to share it with you guys!

 

[Haroat]

tbh guys, thing is, very little hib groups go out atm, and if we keep getting steamrolled ,the 2 or maybe 3fg that actually rvr on a semi / regular basis, will stop doing it, so it will be mid vs alb... gl with that one


edit: puppet smells :<

 

[Makwaerk]

tbh if anything is killing RvR it is the fiksed groups (like the one I run in), not the more casual players. We have scared so many players away from RvR, so we now have 80 mids running around in emain looking for the very few albs and hibs that do come out to play.

(I don't get why hibs go to emain tbh, why not go Odin or HW where you can fight even numbers)

 

[Lethul]

all thanks to me! (almost)
didnt go as planned all times tho:
http://bajs.mine.nu/pictars/daoc/dont_add.jpg ><

you know you can get a 3day or something ban if someone reports that?

 

[remi]

Anyone played "Whack a newbie"?

it r0x

 

[Andrilyn]

The point that makes people (or atleast the people I know) log is that these days it's rare to even get through AMG being a solo alb or random group of albs.
Came to Emain today saw mids camping APK with 6-8 trebs, walk in see atleast 4 invaders and a some other rr8+.
And everytime I try to solo or walk in a small group mostly a 3 person group (cleric, Sorc, Wiz) out of primetime we get sometimes 3fg of mids on us, then people log which I cant blame them for.
Currently Alb doesnt have the numbers to beat all the mids that are patrolling apk, seen AoD do very well today but other than that theres hardly a group out there which can manage to get even close to amg.
While waiting at apk for a group as usual I saw 3 groups of which 1 AoD, 1 FL mixed kinda group and 1 random group not near enough to beat 80+ mids.

Seeing alot of people who cant be arsed to log on anymore due to this, friendlist beginning to get rather small and if NF doesnt bring any better RvR I think like others have said that Prydwen will die.
Shame really as a few months ago I can remember that there was some very nice RvR action not just in emain but in all frontiers.

 

[Belomar]

my post wasnt directed towards you belomar
read other posts in the thread and you might get my point

Fair enough.

I'd like to add that I naturally see the overall point. I just take offense at the general attitude and language some people display towards others. Why, the other day, our group got PM:ed and asked out of the blue if we were running "3 FGs on stick". That kind of behavior is actually counter-productive; it puts people's backs up, and makes them far less prone to listening to what you are actually saying.

Oh, and Remem is practically asking for a ban.

 

[Azathrim]

Random or not; they should be able to illustrate the empathy you trying to teach Valgair. If you where a random (you're not) you can *THINK* and *KNOW* 1fg Hibs/whatever wont come back when you zerg em three times in a row.

You don't teach by throwing tantrums around like Valgair did. It only makes people think you are an idiot (and displaying it publicly with a tad of pride even proves that).

If you want to change the situation and educate about adding, try to do it in a constructive way instead of just flaming people.

 

[Quinlan]

You don't teach by throwing tantrums around like Valgair did. It only makes people think you are an idiot (and displaying it publicly with a tad of pride even proves that).

If you want to change the situation and educate about adding, try to do it in a constructive way instead of just flaming people.

Not defending Valg here but i can kinda see where he is coming from. What was said earlier they have tried to do it constructive alot earlier but still didnt work. It might not be the wisest yell he can do but they get frustrated too.

The only reason Tuo made this post was to to actually thank mids for a fun evening. You wont believe how many hibs already gave up on prydwen lately due to being zerged to hell and back. There are times you cant get a group together cause people cba to get zerged.

Hib/Prydwen (and alb actually) is in low point atm. This has happened before but then it lasted shorter. We'll see where it goes can only hope it will be better.

 

[Foadon]

Big Girls Don't Cry Lyrics
by Frankie Valli


Big girls dont cry, big girls don't cry

Big girls don't cry (they don't cry)
Big girls don't cry (who said they don't cry)
My girl said good-bye (my oh my)
My girl didn't cry (I wonder why)

(Silly boy) Told my girl we had to break up
(Silly boy) Thought that she would call my bluff
(Silly boy) But she said to my surprise
Big girls don't cry

Big girls don't cry (they don't cry)
Big girls don't cry (who said they don't cry)

Baby I was cruel (I was cruel)
Baby I'm a fool (I'm such a fool)

(Silly girl) Shame on you your Mama said
(Silly girl) Shame on you, you cried in bed
(Silly girl) Shame on you, you told a lie
Big girls do cry

Big girls don't cry (they don't cry)
Big girls don't cry (that's just an alibi)

repeat to fade Big girls don't cry

 

[MaditioneR]

maybe overreacted but still, if you want enemies to fight, try to make em feel they have chance, else they wont come back

q to the q

 

[Septina]

maybe overreacted but still, if you want enemies to fight, try to make em feel they have chance, else they wont come back

q to the q

wb Sven

 

[Minn]

can u imagine if 2-3 fg opted grp (alb or hib ) would do the same u do what would had hapenned ? Prolly 2-3 opted fg would farm 4-5 random grps, but they generally never do that cos they try to look for 1 vs 1 fg fights .

Keep doing the same and pryd will die. The months are passing and each time there are less population in alb and in hib.

What he said

And kraben, not all in Maelstrom is moving excal

 

[Sagano]

like said before
dont judge all rvr guilds on the behaviour of a minority
theres plenty of people who tried it the nice way
i mean how many times did puppet ( and other hibs )actually adress the problem on FH?
its not new still people ignore the problem and then blame it on the attitude of 1 guy
open your frigging eyes and stop hiding behind bullshit excuses tbh
if we continue like we do atm its R.I.P. prydwen

and that counts for all realms and all kind of guilds btw ...


now get madi unbanned i want more flame plz

 

[daoc_xianghua]

such leet attitude there Valgair ,no wonder you get many adds calling others random fuckers

Valgair got a point there tbh
expirience showed more than once that "random fuckers" dont listen to anything else than harsh words, its sad but true
if you run a dedicated group and try to farm some rps and your only real enemy group gets zerg-added all the time until they log it can be very frustrating. About 1 year ago it was like 1 fg hibs 4-5 fg´s mids and 2-3 fg´s albs in emain everyday, hibs could hardly fight 8vs8 usually it as 8vs16 or 8vs24 or 8vsZerg ofc hibs die alot and after 2-3 runs they will log. back then the mid zerg didnt rly care cuz they still had albs to fight
but nowadays albs arent that many anymore so those "random fuckers" destroy RvR not only for hibs, they destroy RvR for the entire server for an evening. i think that gives valgair the right to curse on them.

 

[Tuorin]

Nice to see positive responses from some Mids to Pryds problems.
I understand the casual/random mids pov, just that your foes won't come when your numbers are 8-9:1.

Maybe Valgs words not polictically correct but he's only telling you that your foes won't return.

Most have gone.

 

[Ilum]

Nice to see positive responses from some Mids to Pryds problems.
I understand the casual/random mids pov, just that your foes won't come when your numbers are 8-9:1.

Maybe Valgs words not polictically correct but he's only telling you that your foes won't return.

Most have gone.

Honestly tho it's kinda strange to blame the randoms for that...its the opted guilds that has affected rvr most and turned it into what it is now

 

[daoc_xianghua]

So I guess the not so opted groups / randoms must leave every fight they see so they can get squised later on by good groups from alb/hib. Try see it from their pov, they gotta get rp's some way... Its the "leet" attitude - yes they can have fun fights fgvfg and most likely will win alot of those - random groups will perhaps also get alot of fgvfg fights but get farmed alot
Drop the elite attitude please and try see it from other pov's than yourself please..

When SC has its GG out we also try not to add on other fgvfg fights. Why? Cause we know we can still win ( well once in a rare while.. ) or at least have some ok fights versus other opted groups. Shouting bs like that just makes me sick tbh..

/edit Oh and good to hear Hibs had fun last night

didnt read entire post before but this here exactly prooves the point i made before
situation got explained to them 1000000000 times but they either dont get it or they dont want to get it
i have a simple question for that guy
lets say you run in random group and add on every fight you see cuz you think you cant beat one of the enemy groups in 8vs8, due to adding you kill them lets say 5 times. after 5th times enemy group gets slightly bored and decides to do 1 more run. OK they come back - you add on them again - they log. now you have lets say 3 fg´s in emain (your group, another random group and a set gg)
Now my question:

WTF are those 3 groups supposed to kill the entire night?? stealthers? ye fun!

if you wouldnt have added the enemy group might have stayed all night and even if you lose 80% of the fights vs them (8vs8) you prolly still get more rp than you get for adding on them 6 times + you have alot more fun too, well i guess zerging is fun for some ppl but for most it isnt.

ofc i understand that dieing 4/5 times to a good group isnt very motivating
but well this game is 3 years old, the time you could run without set and opted groups is over since loong time ppl that doesnt want/cba to play in set groups should maybe think about rolling a stealther or start a new game where everyone is noob so you can play it like you played daoc 3 years ago. If you dont want that than maybe build up an own decent group dont has to be wtfPwn roxorgroup that kills all and everything in emain but with a bit of dedication and a few friends who take the whole project serious you can have a quite nice and working ganksquad pretty fast.
But dont expect dedicated guilds to care too much about randoms, those ppl put alot of time and afford into the game to achieve something ofc they want decent and fair RvR without adding and zerging you would too if you put 10+ hours into the game daily.

 

[Belomar]

But dont expect dedicated guilds to care too much about randoms, those ppl put alot of time and afford into the game to achieve something ofc they want decent and fair RvR without adding and zerging you would too if you put 10+ hours into the game daily.

Your entire argument can be turned on its head from the viewpoint of a casual player. This has been my point the whole evening. You say that dedicated guilds should not be expected to care too much about "randoms" (such a nice word). Why would the casual players care about dedicated guilds? Give me one reason. They pay the same subscription fees as you do.

It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that this game is for everyone, casual and dedicated people alike, and you are more or less speaking to the choir when you complain here or on IRC (especially on IRC).

Also, Kraben is taking the side of the "underdog" here (and me too, for that matter), we do play in a semi-opted, semi-fixed group.

 

[MaditioneR]

i want to see more ppl banned than just me for saying a word that everyone say in daoc 24/7 tbh

and for the mods: no pm why i got banned and no warning etc, kinda funny when you dont ban my ip so i just make a new account, just edit the post and give a warning instead? if you ban ppl's accounts they make new accounts, if you ban ppl's ip's they use a proxy so they get another ip etc etc, give warnings instead.

 

[MaditioneR]

bleh bleh bleh @ randoms

 

[Rayko]

it's just that you look better with "Fledgling Freddie"

 

[Sagano]

and there we go on the randomvsrvrgroups route again...

 

[MaditioneR]

it's just that you look better with "Fledgling Freddie"

then check the other account "MaditioN" ...

MaditioN's Avatar
MaditioN MaditioN is offline
Banned from FreddysHouse!
Rank: Lower than pondlife


gw xd

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Your entire argument can be turned on its head from the viewpoint of a casual player. This has been my point the whole evening. You say that dedicated guilds should not be expected to care too much about "randoms" (such a nice word). Why would the casual players care about dedicated guilds? Give me one reason. They pay the same subscription fees as you do.

It is perhaps an unfortunate fact that this game is for everyone, casual and dedicated <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> alike, and you are more or less speaking to the choir when you complain here or on IRC (especially on IRC).

Also, Kraben is taking the side of the "underdog" here (and me too, for that matter), we do play in a semi-opted, semi-fixed group.

well if i would only play 1-2 hours a day max (like casuals do) i wouldnt wonder if i get zerged by set groups all the time. till 2 years ago i refused to join groups at all cuz i only had like 1-2hours time/day to play due to work and other rl issues and i always found zerging/adding boring brainless and pointless but instead of creating tons of wajn posts on FH (BW back then)
or scream at those "zerg junkies" on irc i rolled a skald and played solo/duo RvR in sauvage for about 1 year and i can tell you i had more fun than ever in daoc during that time + i got alot of rps