Mids, Have you really sunk this low?

[AbPoon]

We are better then you are.

My Dads bigger then your dad.


Some funny stuff on these boards

 

[old.Nol]

including you.

 

[astokig]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
weird how many stupid ppl plays daoc

Are u one of them?
Or maybe u mean we all stupid for playing so much.
Or maybe its the FOM allians who r stupid because we did a tactical move when enemie was asleep?

(now someone will say "tactical?? blabla computer blabla cowards blabla Prime time"

 

[cerberan]

U had more than 1 fg´s trying to defend ur relic, but u also had 1.5-2 fg´s stealthers that camped Drum Cain. So the ones trying to get to the relic died.
Sure some passed us but, remember that we are n00bs at rvr


Well I really liked ur atempt today at primetime, all outside Grallahorn faste Ld´ed or something. U think that is more fun than actually trying to get to the relic keep and start banging on its door?

 

[splash0r]

Originally posted by old.Nol
so population is not a problem...I realise some mids have kids, they have obviously let them onto these boards recently.

How do you fellas get a morale boost out of being to scared to take on a realm with a smaller population and less 50's? Why "best of luck"? All we have to do is a wait a few days and set our alarm clocks for 5 am. Well done, relics mean squat now...

So whats ur excuse hard childhood prolly ffs grow up you little whinner

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Nol
so population is not a problem...I realise some mids have kids, they have obviously let them onto these boards recently.

How do you fellas get a morale boost out of being to scared to take on a realm with a smaller population and less 50's? Why "best of luck"? All we have to do is a wait a few days and set our alarm clocks for 5 am. Well done, relics mean squat now...

True that, I am the kid of someone, I got parents, you could call em middies, I am from Sweden you know, altho one could wonder where you come from if you aint someones kid (yes, you are always a kid to your parents).

Now if you came from a hat or something, I hold no offense against you for that, and if you didnt, you might aswell stop with the "chiiiild" comments now and keep on discussing the raid.

It is very obvious that you got so damn pissed cause we snatched your relics, maybe you are scared that you "superior tactics" will no longer be so superior with weaker mages.

And another thing...can I flame you cause you couldnt get through HMG in Odins today? Considering you calling us n00bs for not being able to break MMG in Emain when albs camp it, does that put you people next to us, in the n00b category?

Yes, you were outnumbered by far, but so are we in Emain, so you better come up with something better than that.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

noaim
what the fuck are you talking about.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
noaim
what the fuck are you talking about.

What the heck do I know, I am tired.

I supposed he refered to me being a kid, since he quoted me, and a crap comment deserves a crap comment.

If you ment the other part, read some of I think it is Wurens posts, where he claims all mids being noobs cause we cant get through MMG in Emain when Albs camp it.

I simply asked if that makes Hibs noobs aswell since you had some slight problems getting through HMG in Odins today. Simple question, no moaning or bragging or whining, just curious.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

ok, seriously, lemme ask you this

do you think, i mean, you guys say you have your reasons for doing this raid, whatever..

but, say then albs do a raid at night on us
and then we respond with one
and everyone starts doing it

what do you think will happen about 1 month down this road?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
ok, seriously, lemme ask you this

do you think, i mean, you guys say you have your reasons for doing this raid, whatever..

but, say then albs do a raid at night on us
and then we respond with one
and everyone starts doing it

what do you think will happen about 1 month down this road?

People wont be in Emain 24/7 zerging during that month thats for sure, and thats good.

I suppose you have to be very alert when you lose a keep, I think it is rare that 1 realm has 0 players and so on, and seriously...if for example we didnt take any of your keeps, we wouldnt have gotten the relic, and when we did, you should have noticed, and if you had, you would have kept us back.

Nighttime relic is easier due to less enemy players online, but harder due to less of your own players online that can participate in raid, and players in enemy realms should be more on thier guard when 4 keeps (or whatever it was) falls in like...20 minutes? at that time.

I was up all night last night looking for hibs at Grallar, and altho noone attacked, I liked it, was a nice feeling, knowing that any time you hibbies may appear.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

well, disagree on these things..

ok, thing about a night raid is.. no one actually 'organises' a defence.. like, say i go on alliance chat and ask for one fg of volunteers to camp out dagda all night on the chance someone might come by, because it is not a sure thing, it might happen, it might not

however, when you are attacking, it is a sure thing, because nothing is really going to stop you actually going there
so its easier to attack, than to maintain a constant watch..

also, yes, i agree when the keeps fall as they did there should be a defence.. but.. 56 people on.. maybe 20 of them are of a decent level to assist, and the rest are perhaps lowbies or simply do not care (yes, all realms have these )

dagda takes about 15minutes to reach by horse from ligen and then you're not really going to wait to see who else from whatever alliance and guild is coming along at that time, you are more in the frame of mind - im the only one to do anything about it, so you go out, maybe with 2 or 3 others..

and against a prepared proper group blockading..well...

and the biggest point.. i think it will lead to more emain zerging.. simply because after relics exchange hands for the 30th time in a month, people will simply cease to bother doing anything about it, because they can get it back just as easy the next night, at little or no cost...
so the only true rvr aspect left will be the usual rvr in emain..

hope you see what im getting at, cus it will affect the future of this server if it turns out this way

 

[noaim]

I see your point, and point taken, but I also wanna ask, do you think failing raid after raid at primetime will make people keep on raiding and go to emain less?

Both you and me know that breaking Excalibur at primetime, is close to impossible cause of loads of albs getting there in no time and I heard (not confirmed, only I heard) alot of albs are even logged in there with lvl 50 chars to defend...and alot in this case is up to 200...sounds alot, but this is only what I heard.

As for Emain, and getting hib relics at primetime, both you and me know it is very tough getting that far in emain undetected cause of the infinite zerging there.

Also, I have the feeling both hibs and albs were pretty satisfied with having 3 relics each...maybe this is not the case, I know you did try a few raids on eachother, but can you honestly say you werent kinda happy with what you had? If so, I am wrong, it is just a feeling I have.

However, with mids having no relics and a very noticably bunch of people left for PvP, and with albs/hibbies being kinda satosfied with their relics if that is the case, where would that leave us?

And with satisfied, I mean satisfied with what you have.
I would think those raids you did on eachother was rather to weaken the other part than to strengthen your own.

Alot of guessing, I may be far off, but this is what I think, and you asked me what I thought about it

 

[old.Tzeentch]

mm.. did not think that the relic raiding aspect was the sole contributor to the huge decrease of active mid rvr...

yes, excalibur is nigh on impossible, but we will crack it one day.. killgorde has done it.. and im confident hib will do it someday soon also

you're right, that for quite a while.. perhaps a month, there was virtually no attempts at relics by albs and hibs, it's only this past week has stuff gone crazy.. dont think anyone was really satisfied, there is always the desire for all of them.. but we (I at least) were content, yes

most of our raids this past week seem to have been 'tester' raids for seeing what works and what doesnt, from our own experience...

well.. just would not like to see it gradually devolve into the type of server i've mentioned..

next few weeks will be interesting anyway.

 

[old.Charonel]

well i know one thing, i want my goddamn spell damage back , feel gimped since the other night

 

[AbPoon]

Christ whats all this namby pamby shit?

Get that Nol guy on here and get the flaming going again.

 

[MiZzZerY]

Im sorry Albion, i didnt ment to make you cry but tonight we're taking the relics :/

lol this is the uber whine post, and your getting nowhere with it, just stop whining and try to do something about it instead.

 

[duact]

Tzeentch is teh n00bah here... whine whine whine... had the most fun time ever in daoc when i was in lair and had #celticfist up at my second comp... laughed my ass off when u tried to explain how lame and lame and n00b fom are mwhaha n00bah 2k go back to cs or somthing

 

[Molten Lava]

Relics

Excal is much easier than Any Hib relic

Get to excal undetected = possible
Get to Hib relic undetected = impossible

Numbers of defense after being detected is the same so it gives the ones attacking Excal at least 10-20 minutes to take down 1 or 2 doors before the defence is there

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
well i know one thing, i want my goddamn spell damage back , feel gimped since the other night

Feel the pain...

 

[gwal]

wanna bet u can get to hib relic undetected - it´s not hard, not at all, just use the right tactics.

and t osome earlier respond here. albs did a relic raid with about 40 ppl, we just died at 3´d door to guards, as we went back we found out hibs had seen the broken doors and had shown up to defend

 

[old.Nol]

as requested

so far your reasons for the morning raid have been really weak...

1. People working nightshift and being in different time zones etc - I doubt very much that any realm would be able to put together 50 of these that are high enough to raid at 5am.
2. Population - Hib has a smaller population with less 50's.
3. You wanted to prove you could do it - then why take 2?
4. You can't get to Dagda undetected - Amazing How Wildfire and the Albs could.
5. You wanted to boost RvR because hibs zerg in emain - Emain is actually in hibernia, one of the reasons we zerg is to try to defend it against incursions from enemy realms.

I don't care that you have the relics - as I said in a previous post, you have to sleep sometime - all you need to do is give the proper reason instead of hiding behind these lame excuses.

You raided at 5am, because you are too crap to attempt relics when you know that there might be some opposition, that's why I am riling you so much, because you know that I am right. Now you have 2 relics - whoop - but you have no respect and probably less pride, ph33r the mids - th1s 15 w4r, y0u c4n7 5l33p 1n w4r!!?!

page 9 for poon tang and his fearsome 2 handed alarm clock of deflection.

 

[noaim]

Re: as requested

Originally posted by old.Nol
so far your reasons for the morning raid have been really weak...

1. People working nightshift and being in different time zones etc - I doubt very much that any realm would be able to put together 50 of these that are high enough to raid at 5am.
2. Population - Hib has a smaller population with less 50's.
3. You wanted to prove you could do it - then why take 2?
4. You can't get to Dagda undetected - Amazing How Wildfire and the Albs could.
5. You wanted to boost RvR because hibs zerg in emain - Emain is actually in hibernia, one of the reasons we zerg is to try to defend it against incursions from enemy realms.

1. True, but maybe those 10 people that do work nightshift and live in different time zones wants to be able to participate, and then you have to put the raid at those time sometimes, not saying this is why we did it, but use your brain to something else than whining and you will figure it.
2. It is more of an activity issue, not a pop issue.
3. Considering we were called stupid for not taking 3, what would people say if we only took 2? Besides, 1 only weakens you, taking 2 of you removes your bonus completly and even strenghtens us.
4. Yeah amazing aint it? Figure this, most people in Emain are albs, you think they will detect their own forces and attack themselves or sound the alarm? DO'H.
5. Dont know who said that, but as far as I know most people claimed we wanted to stop zerging in Emain overall, mostly from out own players, dont think I have seen any posting about us not wanting hibbies in Emain.

 

[old.Nol]

got the response I wanted from Urme in the other thread thanks. Seems as if there are some decent, honest mids still left. I'll be moving along now.

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41376&goto=lastpost

kthnxbye

PS - I know exactly why you did it, I was just waiting for someone to admit it, instead of vigourousy defending a really crap POV.

 

[feinar]

Dont know, guys... u can respect or unrespect to mids (i was asleep in r\r time btw), and talk more about fair or unfair mourning-time raids, tactics and strategy, but let's see in facts: here many historical examples when great military leaders start their unexpected attacs in deep night or early mourning, when enemy guards and soldiers was asleep. Is it not tactic or maybe its unfair? Or maybe they have deep sleeplessness and just attack all around? No, its a strategy and tactic too. It helps to crash overnumbered enemy army by small squadron. I dont think that Kutuzov (russian commander, 1812) send to Napoleon (french commander, imperator of France) letters with the following contents: "Dear enemy. I plan to attac u this early mourning, so please dont went to sleep or set ur alarm to 6:00. WBR, your non-friend Michael Kutuzov". Funny, huh? Yes, DAoC - is a game, but we fight for our realms like in real life, make ambushes and other things, so i think we can bring some life experience to the game.
And one more thing: if hibs or albs can take relics in primetime - welcome, lets see how u can did it, maybe we learn tactics from u. As for me - i dont care, when relics was taken - day, night, mourning or evening. Much important for me - who has relics now. If mids - good, if others - bad, but we did all to bring they back. Relics have no legs, so while you chatting here, they will not return to you.
Just all what i think about topics like this one.
Sorry for my ugly english .

 

[old.Nol]

If you cannot see how these kind of tactics will ruin this game, then IMO you are blind. I was hoping the griefers had gone to pvp, but I am sad to say that it seems as if some bigger arseholes were left behind.

 

[Amadon]

The tactics are not new feinar, they are just abhorred by the other realms due to the people who may instigate such actions in those realms possessing a bit of foresight and seeing the consequences of such actions.

I think if you wish to draw analogies to war you would be better off drawing one between doing deadtime raids (wtf is the opposite of primetime? ) and using nuclear weapons.
Both could achieve a short term gain, and both could have disastrous after effects (although the latter in somewhat larger proportions - it's an analogy, along the same vein as any made about war and a game)

Yes this is a game based on a war between realms, but it remains a game.
Since the point of the game is to fight a war against other realms, and the other realms consist largely of other players, it's implicit that the intention is to play against other players.
Thus doing deadtime raids goes against the intent of the game (fighting NPC's is for the co-op server if you feel that that's what the intent of DAoC is btw), and against a large part of the attraction of the game (on excal).

By making relics seesaw between realms for very little risk (and 5-7am raids have about as much risk as a legion raid - ie. not much, because even if other realms did find out, 95% of them cba to wake up at 5am for a game so u end up taking out some uber mobs.. well done.), you reduce the value of those relics (more of which is attributed in my mind to the effort and sense of achievement of getting them than any bonus), and remove perhaps the core aspect of the game.

too long winded perhaps.. at least it's not too inflamatory

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Nol
If you cannot see how these kind of tactics will ruin this game, then IMO you are blind. I was hoping the griefers had gone to pvp, but I am sad to say that it seems as if some bigger arseholes were left behind.

You need to ligthen up...loosing 2 relics isn't the end of the world you know...

btw...I thought all whiners had gone for PvP too...

 

[old.Nol]

Why should I lighten up Runolaz, should condone what you have done? Think about it logically, as I said in the other post, you believe that Midgard now has something to defend and be proud of, my question is why?

There was no pride in how it was obtained and what will you defend when people come and take it back in the wee hours? Where will your pride be then? You have to sleep. Your victory will be hollow because you won't even have a chance to defend the relics you obtained. You can Bang your chest all you want now...there is no reason for me to go to Odins in primetime to be farmed, when I can sneak in at 6 and take my relics back.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Amadon


Yes this is a game based on a war between realms, but it remains a game.

Then ffs why whine about loosing two relics...

Originally posted by Amadon


Since the point of the game is to fight a war against other realms, and the other realms consist largely of other players, it's implicit that the intention is to play against other players.Thus doing deadtime raids goes against the intent of the game (fighting NPC's is for the co-op server if you feel that that's what the intent of DAoC is btw), and against a large part of the attraction of the game (on excal).

I simply cannot find this in written anywhere. If this was true the servers would not be open 24/7. The fact that the server IS open 24/7 also makes it possible for Realms with inferior numbers to actually take a relic.

Originally posted by Amadon


By making relics seesaw between realms for very little risk (and 5-7am raids have about as much risk as a legion raid - ie. not much, because even if other realms did find out, 95% of them cba to wake up at 5am for a game so u end up taking out some uber mobs.. well done.), you reduce the value of those relics (more of which is attributed in my mind to the effort and sense of achievement of getting them than any bonus), and remove perhaps the core aspect of the game.

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I don't know what the core aspect of this game is for most people, but relics IMHO is only there to add flavour to the game. The core aspects of this game is the roleplaying aspect and all the people you get to know, and now consider your friends. If beeing best at daoc is what drives you, as in you need relics to do that...then I suggest you go play CS.

 

[Agreac]

Originally posted by old.Nol
If you cannot see how these kind of tactics will ruin this game, then IMO you are blind. I was hoping the griefers had gone to pvp, but I am sad to say that it seems as if some bigger arseholes were left behind.

Blind? LOL, you're the blind one here, this early RR has done nothing but good for whole RvR. Before it happened, mids were nearly non-existant in whole RvR because we didn't have any relics. Look at the situation now, it's like you'd compare day to a night.