Midgard Spy in Lords Of England.

[vayasen]

Vayasen GM of Lords of England, Albion here.

6 years olg duildmaster of LOE, never felt the need to complain to a games officiators with such a sad thing as this.

LOE seem to ahve a spy in their midst. Ive felt that way for around 4 months. Now..im pretty sure about it.
Please, I dont want any stories about 'coincidences' or such like.

I am talking to GOA about solutions and the punishment for the perpitrator (im told it will be total and permanent ban for both side of the scam...and action vs the guild recieving the information in Midgard).


On a personal level, I feel a bit dissapointed that people need to cheat on what is, lets face it ...a game for entertainment.

If you are going to cheat, then I feel that you are very irresponsible and obviously dotn fancy your chances of faceing the challenges in DOAC without some ulterior method.

Such psyce is normally assosiated with persons who have a inbuilt fear of getting beated, due to a lack of resorcefulness.

If the person(s) who are doing this happens to see htis message, please, go spoil the game on a different server, I suggest Excalibur or even a german server. PLease though, stop spoiling an element of this game that many people love, which is the polanning and execution of raids, and indeed, defenders trying to set counte measure against these raids.

You are lessening the game for so many people.

Cheers

 

[old.neenee]

who is it? i wanna know.

 

[avalokiteshvara]

Albs u are not totally innocent on our last relic raid an alb told the hibbis on IRC what we were up to.
I agree with you regarding spys, but what happend to the alb that told the hibbis about our raid ????

 

[[PS]Riddler]

And you think mid dusnt have alb spies?

 

[vayasen]

1- I dont want this thread to turn into a huge discussion about spies....I just want the spy to message me and leave guild (and I swae no more will be made of it...stake my honour on it).

2 - LOE do not use spies..and I woudl be disgusted if I ever found some1 using them even for LOE gain.

3 - I doubt not...that certain albions have used and still do use spies...without question, I would also implore them to stop too.



If all side in this would stop th cheating and lessening of DAOC, it would be a much nicer place to play.

Cheers

 

[Krillin.]

We're not talking about relic raids on irc. We're saying that we have someone explaining our movements to midgard and albion. The relic thing was a different guild and not us.

I have also been told recently that our guild chat has been viewed and is being watched by another albion guild as well at present of whom i would rather not be viewing it.

We either have 2 choices a the minute. Roll back our membership till the leaks stop or shut up shop and start again.

Its not fair on the members who try and to be honest its just lame. We have had these suspicions for a while but events over the last few nights have really proven to us that something is wrong.

Please stop ruining the game for our guild and leave or stop it.

 

[old.Hellskor]

Well, what happened in the first case ?
What makes you to think there's a spy ?

 

[vayasen]

Hellsk.

There is a spy m8. I dont want to drawl out 4 months worth of suspicion on here tbh.

I really am not looking for a heated debate on 'You use spies so we do'.

LOE has never used any for of spying.

I myself caught an ALB spy (not in loe) and told him he must stop or I would inform GOA (he stopped).


Thjis thread is asking the spy to stop /leave. Im doing this e before I put a lot of timeinto getting this person and assoasiated account banned (not somethign I want to persue).

Be reasonable (ALL SPIES IN ALL REALMS).

Leave the guild please. Stop cheating.

Cheers

 

[Jupitus]

A Midgard spy recently confessed to an officer in a guild in our alliance on the grounds that they were about to re-roll anyway and wanted to have a bit of a laugh at the fact that his mates had recently killed a bunch of said guild in RvR.

They were reported to GOA and I can only speculate as to what happened.

The most worrying thing about it was that they claimed to have been an organised unit sent with instructions from their guild to do so. This is tantamount to a guild breach of the CoC and disgusts me.

Vayasen - report the name in question to GOA please. I am confident that they WILL take action against players who do this. Lets be clear about the CoC... it does not ban holding 2 or more accounts, but it does say that they must not be used in any spying activity. Yes, spying can be hard to prove, but believe me when I say that EVERY WORD UTTERED INGAME IS LOGGED and there can be clear sign when these logs are parsed to show what is going on.

I will also make a point about the recent Midgard relic raid, since the previous poster is referring to one of my own guild, Thorn, aka Meatballs. He uses IRC on a different PC from his game machine. He commented about the number of Middies in emain, and then (a mistake of judgement IMHO) posted here when the raid failed. If you read that thread, though, what is clear is that the hibbies already knew simply through someone else telling them up to an hour in advance of any comment on IRC.

Using IRC while you play is not against the CoC, although I don't personally think it's to the overall good of the game, provided you do so on a different PC. I was disgusted today to see the number of people complaining in IRC that their DAoX was broken after the patch, and the numbers of players openly using it, because it IS against the CoC, the reason beig to discourage this outsdie the game communication. These facts mean that Thorn did absolutely nothing against the CoC and although I was not pleased about his port, I did not see any need for any action as his GM further than that.

Cross realm spying seems to be on the increase, and it is only by reporting any instances where we think it may be occurring that we can hope to improve the fairness of the gameplay.

Oh, and before you say it, yes I'm an Alb, but I would report any Albs I thought of doing this just as readily as any hib or mid, and I am sure there must be players of all realms engaging in such sad tactics.

Jup.

 

[Krillin.]

hellskor i would be interested in talking to you about the matter as i believe you from your posts to be an honest person. I would like to get a midgard insight into the events over the last few days and see if you can shed any light on them?

And as Vayasen said this isn't a alb has spies mid has spies debate - its the fact we are being spied on by our own realm as well as midgard.

Could you contact Krillin on irc sometime hellskor and speak to him?


Jupitus also by said guild do you mean they wanted to attack LoE or PL ?

Sorry am tired and not reading well

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by vayasen
go spoil the game on a different server, I suggest Excalibur or even a german server.
You are lessening the game for so many people.

Cheers

I agree with what you`re saying ,but to say go do it on another server is basically telling them that it`s only wrong if they do it on our server.

 

[Greyheed]

form the post.... it looks like they dont know whos doing it... so I guess this is the right thing to do? trying to shame the culprit into admitting it.

 

[kr0n]

For most people, DAoX means a way of not get bored while waiting at portal, waiting for spawn, horse rides, whatever that makes the game a bit boring. This is one of those things that belong to the "gray area".

Ofc we could just blame Mythic for leaving this debug mode open for smart users... But lets not.

If they indeed log every thing you type or do ingame... Would be still pretty hard to prove that you're spying. Basically, doing a /who emain and the logging on different account and go emain to have fun is spying. Reading /gu or /as is spying. Doesnt matter if you dont tell to anyone else, but you yourself still hold the knowledge, and could knowingly or sub-conciously abuse it.

Its near impossible to prove. Well, with absolutely hard evidence. GOA doesnt look that far tho, they hear suspision, see few "evidence" and its done.

What Im saying here, IMO theres no way of proving you're spying, without confession. Im not talking how GOA would see the "evidence", Im just talking what I view as solid evidence without a hinch of doubt.

 

[Greyheed]

Originally posted by kr0n
For most people, DAoX means a way of not get bored while waiting at portal, waiting for spawn, horse rides, whatever that makes the game a bit boring. This is one of those things that belong to the "gray area".

Ofc we could just blame Mythic for leaving this debug mode open for smart users... But lets not.

If they indeed log every thing you type or do ingame... Would be still pretty hard to prove that you're spying. Basically, doing a /who emain and the logging on different account and go emain to have fun is spying. Reading /gu or /as is spying. Doesnt matter if you dont tell to anyone else, but you yourself still hold the knowledge, and could knowingly or sub-conciously abuse it.

Its near impossible to prove. Well, with absolutely hard evidence. GOA doesnt look that far tho, they hear suspision, see few "evidence" and its done.

What Im saying here, IMO theres no way of proving you're spying, without confession. Im not talking how GOA would see the "evidence", Im just talking what I view as solid evidence without a hinch of doubt.

and who gives a flying fuck what your opinion of anything is?

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Greyheed


and who gives a flying fuck what your opinion of anything is?

 

[Fightersuntzu]

We've found a spy, may we burn him ?

<runs after LoE with torch and pitchfork in hand>

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by Greyheed


and who gives a flying fuck what your opinion of anything is?

I thought you were supposed to cnutter off already?

 

[Greyheed]

I'll always be here for you darling.

 

[Greyheed]

Originally posted by kr0n


Layl Arvayheer - Sorceress Primus of the 50th season [Retired]
Layls Twink - Master Infiltrator of the 50th season. [Retired]

you should really change your sig...

Originally posted by kr0n


Layl Arvayheer - Sorceress Primus of the 50th season [Retired by GOA cos I'm a cheating hacking fuck]
Layls Twink - Master Infiltrator of the 50th season. [Retired by GOA cos I'm a cheating hacking fuck]

there thats better.. now nn....hope the bed bugs bite

 

[old.Ayam Ganbatte]

kr0n and SFXman are the Mitchell brothers.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by kr0n
What Im saying here, IMO theres no way of proving you're spying, without confession

I wonder what kind of dumbass would own up to having done something that would get them banned...

 

[Blood]

Funny how the previous dragon raid we had in midgard, the albs had a primetime relic raid planned to gather the exact same time we were scheduled to begin attacking. (and i do belive LOE was participating there)

I havent seen anything in Warders that would indicate that anyone had pre-infomation about any enemy movements.

I do remember this 1 incident last week at AMG in Odins, where LOE's full raid team ~20 people came running trough and suddenly got AE rooted bethween the doors, and quickly wiped by AE dots and lots of nukes.. but that had absolutely nothing to do with spying... you were just unlucky that some of us sometimes prefer to go have real fights in Odins instead of zerging in emain.

(im mentioning this incident because it involved most of LOE, and happened recently, and you got caught totally offguard because none of the people on mid side were visible)

Anyway lets hear from LOE what makes them think they have a spy amongst them

 

[old.Dugald]

As Vaya has said Blood - it's not just one incident. its been going on for FOUR (4) months

(sorry bout the twak - but u r a mid )

We have reliable information regarding other people being able to see our guild chat and hence know our movements.

Vay is condoning the use of spies by all realms and asking that they all stop this immature activity and play the game properly and to the enjoyment of all.

We all have experience of people cheating too - Mid's last successful relic capture for example... :sleeping:

so stop arguing and start reporting those who pass information to you by whatever medium.

/em Holds breath.... <ah forget it>

 

[Generic Poster]

This truly is a sad state of affairs.

First off, I feel for LoE and hope they can isolate and remove the spie(s) from their guild.


What really smells though is this 'you do it too attitude'. If you really want to get rid of spies, and we're not just talking Alb, Mid or Hib spies, but all of the cheap fuckers... co-operate with each other!

Share your info and track down the sources of these leaks. It can be done, if you cut the crap and actually work towards it.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by kr0n
For most people, DAoX means a way of not get bored while waiting at portal, waiting for spawn, horse rides, whatever that makes the game a bit boring. This is one of those things that belong to the "gray area".

Don't play the game if you can't stomach downtime.

Is that the whole MTV generation thing one hears about?
Not being able to stand a spending a minute or two without any input?

*feels like adding some choice profanities...*

 

[marky--]

I bet it's 007!

 

[lakih]

On the cheeting/spying/bug abuseing issue: Ban them. Ban them quick, hard and for a long time.

On the DAoX issue: alot of ppl are useing DAoX cus they dont have/can afford 2 computers, in my oppinion theres a difference in useing a 3rd party software to gain an advantage over other or useing it to increase your own enjoyment.
To clarify that, useing a program to spot hidden ppl ("radar" programs) should get you banned, useing a program to chatt with your enemies/friends shouldnt.


Sicko... its not only about killing downtime, thats what you got /g and /gu for, daox is imo a way to do alot of things at the same time... doing the same things as ppl with 2 (or more) computers are... chatting on irc, checking maps/info or doing homework.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by old.Dugald
We all have experience of people cheating too - Mid's last successful relic capture for example... :sleeping:

excuse me, but WHAT?

i was in the group that ran the relic home, and there were absolutely no cheating (except albs using invisible orange con mobs to guard their frontier)

 

[liste]

(except albs using invisible orange con mobs to guard their frontier)

Nerf kick and ban Pennines!


on a side note:

Cheating obviously happen, but slinging mud at eachother is not the way to solve it.

It is actually possible, that coincidence add up, and dragon raids are planned at the same time as relic raids.



Personally, i've had one spy tell me so and so happens in such and such. i told him that spying was ilegal, and if i _ever_ heard him say anything remotely spy-ish, i'd drag him to RightNow.

I obviously screen shot it, but had no direct confession, hence, no ahrd evidence.

I believe the guy rerolled after that. did /who X occasionally in prime times, and the little bugger was never around.


Looking in the read view mirror, i should have lured him into confessing, obviously, but im not very smart :|


if you ask me, thats the only real approach to the problem. for a spy to work, he has to tell someone, and that someone should RightNow it seconds later.

 

[SFXman]

Originally posted by old.Ayam Ganbatte
kr0n and SFXman are the Mitchell brothers.