Midgard Spy in Lords Of England.

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen
and there were absolutely no cheating (except albs using invisible orange con mobs to guard their frontier)

We are now planning to put some at merchents in DF to whoop Cylians ass

 

[the_smurflord]

This was an attempt to bring to light a serious issue, so please don't hijack it with inane drivel and resort to calling people names.

Just to clear up a few points.

The mids did not cheat at the relic raid against us. They just tried time and time again and eventually wore us down and overran us. Well played to them for that.

We are not complaining just because we got beat by the mids a few times. Please credit us with a little more maturity than that.

Of course events coincide, especially when you plan things for a sunday evening. Everyone is planning stuff around then.

What we are talking about in terms of spying is watching people in other realms instantly responding to decisions made on our guild chat channel. The only spying we do is in the form of stealthers keeping tabs on the enemy which a totally different thing.
I for one wish Vayasen and the other officers the best of luck in finding this person and reporting them to GOA. As a guild we would never use cross-realm informants. We know there are spies operating in albion, and I'm just as sure there are spies operating in midgard and hibernia and this saddens me greatly.
If you are spy please stop it. If you are in contact with spies in other realms (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc etc) please stop talking to them about events in-game.
I know I talk on IRC and to one other realm person on MSN, but I never ever discuss plans or current events with them, and they do not with me. IRC should be used only for general discussion about the game, social chat and the discussion of events past.

To those people leaking information, you are spoiling it for everyone else. Then again, that's probably your goal.

 

[old.Thiralith]

heya vayasen, just want to say I think there's pretty much account exchanges etc going on.. and been so for pretty long, hmm, since 1.50 maybe when ppl started getting bored, so you can't really know if this "spy" could just have been someone playing one of your guildies account just at that time when you had some guild-only information or whatever.

 

[old.Dugald]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


excuse me, but WHAT?

i was in the group that ran the relic home, and there were absolutely no cheating (except albs using invisible orange con mobs to guard their frontier)

I didn't want to get drawn into it but...

While we were out attempting to take Hib relics, someone playing Hib at that time told Mids , using IRC via Doax, where we were and it would be an ideal time to try again (after you spent most of that morning hurling yourself against Excal without success) for our relics, which you promptly did... I'm not saying EoO were told specifically, or gained any unfair advantage, but someone in Midguard benefited from this information to organise a relic attempt.

like I said we all have experience of it happening. but this isn't meant to be a "we've been spied on more than you" thread.

It's time to be responsible, to play the game as intended and to stop spies from spoiling the enjoyment of others by reporting them.

 

[old.Bubble]

dug don't bother with him
vay tried to discus a serious problem and theres always a few trolls who say things like 'Well you cheat too!' 'You can't prove it!'

Some albion player might have spy account(sad thing to do) what vay is saying is that this sort of thing is bad for the game(alb,mids and hibs not just mids)

 

[old.Hellskor]

For that Relic Raid

a) pretty hard to get a Relic Force through Emain without getting spotted ... afterall it's the #1 RvR Zone
b) The Core-Force for the Relic Raid were from a Legion Raid, after killing Legion, shouts arised (as usual) to take this Force to Excalibur to finish the job we had started that morning.

And everyone worked perfectly (and really perfectly) on that Raid, never seen those Doors go down so swiftly.

 

[Ricey]

Spies!

Probably Sinn Fein again!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I have had incidents where people actual have said to me "I've found out this from so and so" and been handed information which when you think about it can only be dubious.

We had an incident a looooong time ago where quite simply a couple of RL friends who play in different realms had accidently let slip that something was going to happen. I'll be honest our first reaction was bloody hell we got to defend our frontier, but then sitting down and thinking about the wider issues we decided as a guild that we would never use any information given to us that appears to have been gathered unfairly, even if it hurts our realm to do so.

I've been placed in the position a couple of times where information that can potentially benefit Midgard but appears to have been unfairly gathered is ignored, and then the sources closely watched from that point.

The thing that annoys me is that when these kinds of things happen I'm placed in the position of trying to decide what I would do if I HADN'T been handed that information but had the usual other sources available to me (scouts, skirmishers etc).

Mercifully, these things are very rare because especially thanks to the likes of Nemesis and peeps like Kalgarn and others who guard/patrol our frontiers regularly we have topnotch information on what is going on most of the time.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
I have had incidents where people actual have said to me "I've found out this from so and so" and been handed information which when you think about it can only be dubious.

We had an incident a looooong time ago where quite simply a couple of RL friends who play in different realms had accidently let slip that something was going to happen. I'll be honest our first reaction was bloody hell we got to defend our frontier, but then sitting down and thinking about the wider issues we decided as a guild that we would never use any information given to us that appears to have been gathered unfairly, even if it hurts our realm to do so.

I've been placed in the position a couple of times where information that can potentially benefit Midgard but appears to have been unfairly gathered is ignored, and then the sources closely watched from that point.

The thing that annoys me is that when these kinds of things happen I'm placed in the position of trying to decide what I would do if I HADN'T been handed that information but had the usual other sources available to me (scouts, skirmishers etc).

Mercifully, these things are very rare because especially thanks to the likes of Nemesis and peeps like Kalgarn and others who guard/patrol our frontiers regularly we have topnotch information on what is going on most of the time.

Me too Roo... and you always end up erring on the side of caution and probably not acting as you normally would. Helps to ignore first bit of info and then wait until more information flows from legitimate sources and then try to react based on the new information only. Sounds a bit anal, I know, but I have no intention of encouraging spies in any way.

Jup.

 

[agraucred]

well, ive not had anyone tell me of information, but ive had 1 try and get some out of me, t'was a while ago... and i thought nothing of it at the time, but i guess recent events are starting to suggest that each realm has more spies than we, or at least i, thought. im not entirely sure about it, but i think i know of the spy openly admitting his actions, but ill go no further into it than that as i dont know the full story. anyway, i think we all basically need to tread lightly on the topic, such as no blaming people without proof etc (unless you want to look like a fool anyway) and keep a close eye and who is told what and what actions come of it. either way we cant expect spies to vanish within a matter of days, and we cant assume that new ones will not appear. lets just work together on it, its only a game, and we choose to play it because its enjoyable (most the time ). just remember that your staring at a computer screen when your ingame, this isnt some real life or death war, play it honestly and enjoy it.

 

[dylan32]

We recently had a mid spy in the Templars. He was VERY rude to people, and after questioning he openely admitted to being a spy.
I don't know what the characters name was, but I can find out and post tommorrow.
I'm not trying to point the finger at mids here, as this is probably being tried by all three realms, but it sure as hell is going on.

Cheers,
Dylan
Madwg 39th armsman
Gate 23rd scout

 

[nemesisgm]

Originally posted by agraucred
well, ive not had anyone tell me of information, but ive had 1 try and get some out of me, t'was a while ago... and i thought nothing of it at the time, but i guess recent events are starting to suggest that each realm has more spies than we, or at least i, thought. im not entirely sure about it, but i think i know of the spy openly admitting his actions, but ill go no further into it than that as i dont know the full story. anyway, i think we all basically need to tread lightly on the topic, such as no blaming people without proof etc (unless you want to look like a fool anyway) and keep a close eye and who is told what and what actions come of it. either way we cant expect spies to vanish within a matter of days, and we cant assume that new ones will not appear. lets just work together on it, its only a game, and we choose to play it because its enjoyable (most the time ). just remember that your staring at a computer screen when your ingame, this isnt some real life or death war, play it honestly and enjoy it.

Agraucred you old fart how you doing. Long long long long long time no see. But then again I'm a mid now have been for ages. Ahh those we're the days me you and torquemada tanking everything in keltoi.. well old chum good to see your still out there kicking around, an having fun.

Your old Death or Glory chum.

Durgi.

Oh and on the point of spying though people of good character may indeed have multiple account on in a different realm, a number of high lvl albs I know for a fact have such cross realm accounts, it is a logical step to assume, that someone in both midgard and hibernia also has such cross relm accounts and may be in a guild of some sort, be it significant guild or small in one of the realms alliance. Now this is a direction breach of the eula and the coc, so technically as we have all signed the eula and coc by playing this game after the first free month. We are honour bound to report all known case that we know of. now spying however underhanded it is achieved, and yes it ruins it for the mojaority of us who play the game fairly.. literally is a very real fact of warfare, and as such the three realms being at war with one another, could in a very poor taste kind of way, be considered to be an acceptable policy. Now Nemesis in an effort to rise above such petty minded attitudes as spying on the other realms, have begun to instigate a umber of policies and attitudes in our guilds that will make such things as keep raiding, relic raiding rather an ardouse task upon our realm. In the future albs and hibs if you happen to get charged from behind by a number of mids whilst bashing on one of the super doors Nemesis now keeps installed on all mid keeps, don't look inside your own ranks for the problem but say to yourself. The mids for all their faults actually have some form of co-ordination and defensive qualities about them.

Also as for the relic raids against Excalibur that fateful Sunday, when the mids bashed themselves againstExcalibur for many hours only to return in the evening and succeed. I feel as Lords of England have so righteously held the banner of Anti-Spying aloft to impart upon you all a few pieces of little known knowledge.

It is no secret that I Durgi Shadowstalker used to be an alb, and as such still have a large number of friends I made whilst there I keep in touch with. Now I have been informed of late that the morning Relic raids that Sunday meet the resistance it did not cause of the good intuition of the few who rallied the troops or Albions defensive skills, but because a member of Eye of Odin from midgard let it slip to a friend of his they intended to raid Castle Excalibur that day. Now this young player, whom I happen to know has friends in midgard in real life, told a leading member of Albions armies, that he had heard tale of a Midgard assualt against said relic keep from a friend of his who got a little to drunk and blabbed about it. The leading figure he spoke to about weather he should pass this information on was none other than Hrodelbert, Lords of Englands own heroic Armsmen. and loe and behold when Midgards forces arrived that Morning in glorious numbers they meet such resistance as to turn them back. Now if that is not useage of information gathered out of game, and through what could be in a round about way channes of espionage, what is. So please Albion, Midgard and Hibernia when this happens and it will always happen when groups of real life friends play in different realms, just ignore it. It s sadly a fact of life. So that should get you all talking, and should LOE guildmasters and officers require proof of my statements I will surely pass it on and request the albs in question who didn't know what to do with the information he gain and thus gave it to Hrodelbert steps forward, and confirms my above statements. As for the Eye of Odin guy who told of our realms assualt, you can join the rest of our traitorous guildmates, who have sold Midgard out of the past months.

Durgi Shadowstalker,
Guildmaster of Nemesis.
Lvl50 sb Prydwen,
Lvl50 Paladin Merlin,
Lvl50 Cleric Merlin,
Lvl50 Inf Merlin.

 

[Mr TNT]

<edit>
er i say it a nicer way i dont think u can ever stop spys/cheaters
lets face it if there a game there are cheats/haxs or spys.
pointless telling goa because all they do is come back with a better way to get info from u.
if its ture about this spy u should say wat guild he is in an see wat they know.

 

[old.Sko]

:sleeping:
someone gathered and made many relic attempts but failed.
happens.
got frustrated.
happens too.
used real life connections to obtain in game information. Dont know if it breaks eula - but anyway.
happens.
succeeded in relic raid. Good.
got happy.

 

[agraucred]

lo durgi... i saw those death messages in DF the other day... and even though im an alb still, nice going matey, i see your still doing good as an assasin class. grats on 50 aswell.... im nearly there myself now. id heard youd gone to mid quite a while ago, and was very shocked when i did, seriously didnt expect that, but hey, its a game, no point playing if you dont enjoy it, so find that enjoyment and stick to it.

hope to see you on the frontiers soon as Terilith when i hit 50, i hope you'll forgive me when i own your mid ass though, lol

*ahem* sorry to go off topic there.

 

[Krillin.]

Durgi this was actually a serious accusation and an attempt to warn the spy within the guild to stop. As regards your sunday excursion we were not informed or received any information of that kind.

I think we had 12 people on at 9am on that sunday and while on they saw 3 keeps fall quickly.

We all made our way to Excalibur and tried our best to stop you for as long as we could. THERE WAS NO CHEATING AT ALL.

Your attempt to make us look like cheats and dishonour is is pathetic and sad. You my friend need to grow up.

As regards the spying issue i'm glad other people think it is funny but when you have events as we do that are ruined because of this persons acions you have to ask yourself when playing game if taking these sort of actions are actually worth the pain caused to the people your informing on.

 

[hrodelbert]

Yes Durgi on that morning someone I had never heard of before sent me a message saying, and I'll try to remember this as accurately as possible for you all,

"Hello Hrodelbert, I'm sending you this because I know you RvR a lot and have a respecable posisition in the alliance. I was with a friend of mine, who happens to be in EoO, in the pub last night and while he was highly drunk he let slip that there would be a relic raid tomorrow morning (sunday) at 9 am.". I received this when I logged on on the sunday morning at I think about 8 am, I proceeded to beno, with a group of 6 people a couple of sotl and a 3 LoE I seem to remember to see if these reports were fanciful or indeed true. Artemis waited at the mmg and as soon as we started getting large numbers of mids coming into our frontier, we tried to assemble as big a force as possible.
I then personally pmed the highest ranking officers of each guild I saw online at the time and tried to get together a force to repel the invasion. However since the attack was at a time of day and week when numbers are at there lowest( i think about 200-300) people online in total I didnt have much success, but managed to get a reasonable number to excaliber.

Ok now I've clarified the facts of what happened

1) I had never had contact with this alb before, he knew me because of my reputation alone

2) I very much doubt that this guy went out purposefully to get his EoO friend drunk in order to extract strategical information from midgard's premier guild, If he did he is extremely sad and pathertic.

3)This incident is NOT an example of the purposeful malicious spying that is being talked about by Vayasen, and certainly in no way violates any official or moral objections to this behaviour(unless you disaprove of drunkenness) in essence it was a mistake that I'm sure the EoO member feels sorry about

4) finally lay of your guild mate who made from what I heard a genuine mistake, and dont accuse me of cheating or being a conspirator to espionage when you are not in posession of the facts
Quite frankly Durgi I respect you, and your integrity, and am upset by your lack of trust in me

I dont expect an apology but I hope you find the facts useful

Regards

edit: typo

 

[old.Hellskor]

Hmm Durgi, who was that SB that used to leak infos about Alb Relic raids to the Mids in the earlier days ?

Thanks for trying to ruin EoO's reputation even further.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by nemesisgm
As for the Eye of Odin guy who told of our realms assualt, you can join the rest of our traitorous guildmates, who have sold Midgard out of the past months.

Ahh well there went my respect for Durgi

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

We have loadsa spys in Mid. Thats why we'd all buggered off to Emain when the Midgard evening attack came in.............

Pyro

 

[Ottar]

> As for the Eye of Odin guy who told of our realms assualt,
> you can join the rest of our traitorous guildmates, who
> have sold Midgard out of the past months.

I hope I somehow misread the above. Care to clarify what exactly did you mean by it?

Ottar

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by nemesisgm

As for the Eye of Odin guy who told of our realms assualt, you can join the rest of our traitorous guildmates, who have sold Midgard out of the past months.

care to explain?

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Ottar
I hope I somehow misread the above. Care to clarify what exactly did you mean by it?

Ottar

I think he's referring to how EoO petulantly walked out on their alliance (although curiously never returning the alliance spoils they were 'holding' for it) after said alliance finally got sick of their Hitler-esque egomaniacal compulsive bullshitter leader.

No, wait a second, that would be Nemesis, my mistake...

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by stu


I think he's referring to how EoO petulantly walked out on their alliance (although curiously never returning the alliance spoils they were 'holding' for it) after said alliance finally got sick of their Hitler-esque egomaniacal compulsive bullshitter leader.

No, wait a second, that would be Nemesis, my mistake...

roflol

 

[old.Normengast]

People cross realm spying is sad but it happens. Throwing rocks at each other in such a stupid thread for things you assume are right even worse.

Wasn't going to comment on this one but did it anyway.

<wraps cloak around him and walks away into the darkness>

 

[augusta]

My humble opinion is:

1) There are spyes around, probably in every realm

2) There is no solution to the problem: all the realms are full of childish and uncorrect people (fortunatly a strict minority, but still tons of them) . There is no way to stop people that do stupid things, that's a RL teaching.....

3) Involving GoA is time consuming and pointless: cheaters will find a different way to cheat.

I only think it would be an act of responsability not to support this behavior by the biggest Guilds in all the Realms (without flaming each others).
This is possible.
Officers in all the biggest Guild are usually non-childish people that really care for the game and, not least, people that try to defend the honuor of their Guild.

Spyng by childish cheater will always be here...
Spyng endorsed by the major Guilds can be avoided

Personal note: never saw organized spying endorsed or known by guild officers in all the guilds I have been in in the last months (here and in Exc).... saw several childish soloing cheating guys tho...

(out of context: i personally believe buffbots are a form of cheat too... just my personal opinion)

 

[old.Enigma]

LoL to the poster. Try taking your original post and starting a new thread. Lets see how it runs keep doing it until people have stopped going off topic. I reckon 3 runs anyone fancy giving me odds. This seems more personal than the realm specific ithis has led too. You seem to be pretty sure but not sure enough to post exact details of the events in your main thread.

That said this thread will get more reads.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by stu


I think he's referring to how EoO petulantly walked out on their alliance (although curiously never returning the alliance spoils they were 'holding' for it) after said alliance finally got sick of their Hitler-esque egomaniacal compulsive bullshitter leader.

No, wait a second, that would be Nemesis, my mistake...

LMFAO.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[pudzy]

Face it every realm has spys - something that wont ever be stopped because it cant be. But yes those who are caught, off with their heads etc etc

 

[Sharma]

Spies = Sad gits who only get respect from spoiling the objective of seiges in RvR

and judjing from some other posts it looks like this is becoming a stab-at-someone thread.