Manchester Picadilly Station Taxi Rank, 1st Dec, 11pm

[legendario]

Watch red dwarf you heathens it's all explained there ffs.

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by bodhi

its not too hard to believe that an instability in the point mass ripped it apart.

exactly. fits in well imo. long live Mr. Hubble!

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

I'm simplifying, apologies to the scientists.

My point stands however, explanations for the big bang are just speculation, just as suggesting a god initiated it is.

 

[old.Kez]

Originally posted by stu
I created the universe, and I'm fairly tempted to destroy you all

I laughed far too hard at that :/

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
I'm simplifying, apologies to the scientists.

My point stands however, explanations for the big bang are just speculation, just as suggesting a god initiated it is.

Also very true (christ almighty I'm agreeing with everyone today), what science tries to offer is other explanations than "God did it". It keeps nurds out of society aswell, so it's all good.

 

[old.Kez]

Are nurds really albino, captain?
Nay son, nay.

 

[bodhi]

The one that do Physics are.

 

[(Shovel)]

OK, since we'll never have a proper explaination until we're dead (and I accept that we might not get one then either) shall we just say that "The guy in the taxi rank did it"?

 

[Testin da Cable]

I'm all for "the shifty dude back in the alley did it".

 

[bodhi]

My money's on the guy behind the grassy knoll.

 

[old.Kez]

How very seedy, tdc.

 

[(Shovel)]

Seeing as we've not heard from this mysteried besmilyed person they could well be one and the same....

 

[Testin da Cable]

kez: yes. it's got to be because of mondays though.

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by Will.
I might actually hold a service one day...

Can we have virgins in white smocks?
I'll come to that


I believe in fact, if something can be proven so there is no doubt in my mind I will believe it.
Thus far religion has provided me with no facts, and given that there is unlikely to be any new evidence then I will probably remain an atheist. I have no problem with those who choose to believe in a God.

I object VERY strongly to those religions that insist that you give some of your earings directly to "the church", I have personal experience of this. An "ex" was converted to be a Born Again Christian, she was told her parents and friends were evil, the devils work. She was also giving (under pressure) a large portion of her money to the "faith".
I spent 5 hours with this girl (she was 24), who was on a low anyway, and at the request of her parents who were besides themselves. At the end of the five hours she had realised the flaws and broke down in tears at the relief. The poor girl had been completely brainwashed, she thought she was going to be converting me.

Modern religious visitors knocking at my door do not leave happy.

 

[Will]

I can never persuade people to cough up enough money to keep the manse roof in good condition.

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by ~YuckFou~

Can we have virgins in white smocks?
I'll come to that

bit dodgy there yuck

 

[~YuckFou~]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable



bit dodgy there yuck

It takes a lot of effort, but I do try hard

 

[Testin da Cable]

progress you show young padawan

 

[mank!]

I've found stu's 'theory' most believable so far. Humour is proof!

 

[Shocko]

I'm happy accepting that i don't know what/why/where/when/how to most of life's puzzels... When a reasonable solution is offered, that has reasonable proof, i generally accept that as truth, and carry on my life without giving a toss.

So far, all proven ideas on so called "important" questions, are all scientific ones, since Science is generally the only way that anything can be proven. Since religion can't really be proven, without Scientific understanding changing to accept parts of religion as proven science, the answeres can only ever come from Science, hence i laugh off any suggestions about deities...

On the other hand, i have many questions on things such as fate, and so called "coincidences", which are certainly not frequent coincidental occurances of insignificant but noticable things. However, i once again go back to the solid point, that it doesn't really matter whether i bump into someone in the street for no reason, or because i was destined to do so

 

[pcg79]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
my morals come from the man in the alley who sells me dope. and kittens.

Cama... uh xane?!

 

[nath]

Originally posted by Shocko
So far, all proven ideas on so called "important" questions, are all scientific ones, since Science is generally the only way that anything can be proven.

Nothing can really be proven as you cannot be part of a system (i.e. existence) and truely understand it. The problem is so much that we rely on as fact is based from fundamental basic things that actually aren't known. E.G. no one really knows what gravity is, we know what effects it has etc. but we have no idea where it comes from. It's all just theories.

Besides, all of these things that were once unexplainable and thus decided were acts of god.. who's to say they weren't. Sure we know the scientific reason for it, but who says it wasn't god that got the ball rolling to get the events that took place to happen. I'm not a religious person, but that's a possibility.

Another thought. Say the matrix was real, everything that we did within it would be scientificly provable within that system. We'd still be none the wiser to the outside world and what's making all the decisions. Hence: science explains all the things that were considered acts of god, but if god sits outside the realms of our comprehension, surely he/she/it would be able to do things in our universe/dimension that we could explain via other means..

Rambling now. Bye!

 

[lynchet]

Well as has been pointed out before it is all a matter of faith either way. I mean --- "The immensity of the universe was created by a single massive explosion billions of years ago where all the matter in existance was spewed out from a central point for no well defined reason". "This all powerful old bloke with a white beard decided to make the universe on his week off"

I think they both leave a few questions you'd want answered if you knew no science or religion and someone was explaining the world to you. Now im not saying I dont believe in the big bang - but just be open to ideas and their own weaknesses/strengths/

And for Plightstars Parallel Universes etc -- cut back on the Star Trek mate -- creating utterly unfounded, unproven and quite possible impossible ideas to explain the world just because they fit nearer with your general belief of how things work than someone elses -- hmmmm sounds a little bit like what you accuse religion of doing to me

I just love the "i won't argue because you'll lose" line very early from the thread. Ah if only we had all thought of this line earlier in our lives, imagine how easy it would have been. You have got to kind of admire stupidity like that

 

[nath]

Actually a fairly respected opinion of the creation of the universe is that two other universes banged together.

 

[*charlton_thd*]

Originally posted by lynchet
". "This all powerful old bloke with a white beard decided to make the universe on his week off"

I dont mean to be pedantic but..
<pedantic>
technically he invented the 7 day week on the 7th day of creation, therefore it wouldnt have been his week off, as time hadn't been created before he started.
</pedantic>

 

[nath]

Or as mr Izzard put it

"get up god, you'll miss the best part of the day!"

"Ahhh but I haven't created the best part of the day yet!!"

 

[Shocko]

Originally posted by nath
E.G. no one really knows what gravity is, we know what effects it has etc. but we have no idea where it comes from. It's all just theories.

Hmm... I'm sure a physics boffin could do a good enough job of explaining it... Doesn't it go something like "All mass has gravity, varing and directly depending on the greatness of the mass"? Perhaps it's something to do with the whole thing about forces, and the fact that energy can't be destroyed or created?

It is entirely possible for a Matrix-like world to exist, without us knowing it... There would be *no* way for us to discover the real truth in that situation. However, the simple fact that scientific facts could be falsified by something with total control over our brains, and our world, is not a reason to go around believing in such a force, whether it be a sophisticated computer system, or a deity... As i stated, i go around with the attitue of "I don't know, and i don't care", and it gets me through everyday life no worse than the man who supports unproven scientific theories, or tales of all-powerful beings...

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Shocko

Hmm... I'm sure a physics boffin could do a good enough job of explaining it... Doesn't it go something like "All mass has gravity, varing and directly depending on the greatness of the mass"? Perhaps it's something to do with the whole thing about forces, and the fact that energy can't be destroyed or created?

Funnily enough that's not a description of Gravity. The currently held belief is that masses distort space creating a funnel effect, this causes objects to fall 'down' the space funnel thus accelerating towards the mass.

 

[Sir Frizz]

All this makes me want to say "i can go all the way around the world instantly"...see? I just did it.

:/

 

[nath]

Originally posted by Shocko
Hmm... I'm sure a physics boffin could do a good enough job of explaining it... Doesn't it go something like "All mass has gravity, varing and directly depending on the greatness of the mass"? Perhaps it's something to do with the whole thing about forces, and the fact that energy can't be destroyed or created?

Yes, we know that for a fact. That's merely the effect of gravity though, no one knows why.