Lowtax does D3

[Will]

I had to return a game once. It was Red Faction 2, and I was being served by the manager. I told him it was the worst game I had ever played, and he laughed, agreed, and refunded me. This was before the crazy "no refund" policy.

I've moved house since them, and I have a small game shop just round the corner. So I shop there now anyway. They have a pool table downstairs they let me play on, so that makes me bias.

 

[Doomy]

The weird thing being that copying games for the 2 major consoles (this is excluding the gamecube), is easier to do than a pc game.

 

[nath]

It is in a manner of speaking, but (at least for the xbox) you need it chipped, you needed it networked to the pc and you need software to create the image.

Actually no, it's not easier to copy an xbox game. (Unless you mean to the hard drive, but then more often than not you need a new hard drive - which in itself is more complicated than copying a cd).

 

[Doomy]

It is in a manner of speaking, but (at least for the xbox) you need it chipped, you needed it networked to the pc and you need software to create the image.

Actually no, it's not easier to copy an xbox game. (Unless you mean to the hard drive, but then more often than not you need a new hard drive - which in itself is more complicated than copying a cd).

Thats a matter of opinion. To get a game on your xbox its a case of installing it, yes it has to be chipped but anyone capable of doing that might have difficulty in emulating the latest securom/safediscs etcetc to ensure they can play the game that they warezed (i know i do). PS2 just needs stomp.

All im saying the policy is retarded, almost discriminative.

 

[Will]

I thought the reason they won't do PC game returns is due to the fact they can't resell them, since the CD key has probably been half-inched. The no return policy only applies to games with an online component, afaik.

 

[Doomy]

I thought the reason they won't do PC game returns is due to the fact they can't resell them, since the CD key has probably been half-inched. The no return policy only applies to games with an online component, afaik.

Its ALL pc games, or so the counter chap told me

 

[Will]

They may have changed the policy, or he may be a moron. Or both.

 

[Doomy]

I asked when i went in and bought Doom 3 and CS:CZ. Which was friday. When ive been in to buy pc games recently (new branch where i live) they always say are you sure your pc can run this game because you cant return it, first time was when i got EVE, then when i got Shadowbane, and i asked the third time why and they said it is indeed all of their game.

Maybe they just think wellingborough is full of criminal activity and the policies could be town specific

 

[Aada]

The game just gets better and better the further you get through it imo i find it best wiv some headphones turn up the volume and hear yourself scream

 

[Tom]

All im saying the policy is retarded, almost discriminative.

Its also illegal AFAIK.

 

[Durzel]

Well, you can't take a new car back to the dealers when it shows a fault, and demand your money back. So your statutary rights only extend so far.

But by the same analogy if find yourself unable to fit in the drivers seat of your new car (and you were not allowed to test drive it beforehand to find out) then you shouldn't have to chop off your legs to accommodate it...

 

[Ch3tan]

trading standards
YOUR STATUTORY RIGHTS The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) says that goods should be:

• of a Satisfactory Quality, i.e. of a standard that a reasonable person would consider to be satisfactory - generally free from fault or defect, as well as being fit for their usual purpose, of a reasonable appearance and finish, safe and durable;
• fit for the purpose - As well as being fit for the purpose for which they are generally sold, goods should also be fit for any specific or particular purpose made known at the time of the agreement;
• as described - Goods should correspond with any description applied to them. This could be verbally, words or pictures on a sign, packaging or an advert.

I'd think GAME as a fairly big retailer had a team of lawers pour over their refund policy. It's illegal to have a policy that infringes on your statutory rights.

trading standards
"I have just purchased some goods which are defective. The trader will only offer me a credit note. Is he right?"
No! If you have acted quickly enough, you are entitled to reject the goods and get a refund. If you have not acted quickly enough, you are entitled to a repair, a replacement, a reduction in the price or to rescission. You do not have to accept a credit note.



"I have just purchased something that I do not want anymore. Does the shop have to give me a refund?"
No! You are only entitled to a refund if the goods are defective, not as described or not fit for their purpose. However, the trader may be willing to give you a credit note

It goes on to state that the retailer has the right to a second opinion on products they cannot test or find the fault with. So as long as the PC game you've bought is fit for the purpose ( and thats going to be difficult to argue) or faulty (and can be proved), GAME could quite happily sit on their no refund on PC games policy.

AS I said before, their needs to be a change of the law for digital media. Faulty goods should be replaced with a working version of the same thing.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I once bought a copy of q3, checked it at the bus stop on the way home to find it was an ISP installer disk. Huffed back to EB (as it was then) and told them they got done. They weren't happy but replaced meh CD - but probably only cos I was back too quick to have been assumed to have gone home and switched cds.

 

[WPKenny]

I once bought a copy of q3, checked it at the bus stop on the way home to find it was an ISP installer disk. Huffed back to EB (as it was then) and told them they got done. They weren't happy but replaced meh CD - but probably only cos I was back too quick to have been assumed to have gone home and switched cds.

They should have been so feckin dumb in the first place to give you an ISP disk. But if they really wanted to get huffy then they should have gone back and quickly checked stock for that game and realised they had a spare CD.

 

[nath]

I hate buying games that aren't wrapped in cellophane.

 

[tris-]

game will replace defective PC software for the same title, nothing else. they wont replace it if there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[Padwah]

what about if you don't agree to the eula? After all you can't see it until you buy it and try to install it!

 

[Milkshake]

Doom 3, to me, is a breath of fresh air. I think it's gotta go up as #2 in the "all time scariest games evar" list....just under Resident Evil 1 at the age of 14. It's the ambience, the way they take your senses away from you. Sometimes you can't hear because of the machinery, sometimes you can't see because of the dark....it just makes a brilliant game.

The man who ran the sound project in Doom 3 deserves a fucking medal. From the music, to the voiceovers, to the ambience and machinery, it's all magnificent. The graphics are loverly and the gameplay is fun So it's not fucking mastermind....so what?! It's seeing what's round the next corner that brings me back to the game again and again.

Ducttape mod? For newbs.

As for what the engine can be used for? Well, AvP is a good start, but does anyone remember Space Hulk for the Amiga/Atari. Space Marines v Genestealers....woo yeah. That's almost the perfect setting. I hear they are doing a TFC mod for it, that is gonna be kickass.

Half Life 2 will be brilliant too, but for now, Doom 3 is squishy and Doom 3 is mine and Doom 3 shall be my squishy.

 

[Aada]

Doom 3, to me, is a breath of fresh air. I think it's gotta go up as #2 in the "all time scariest games evar" list....just under Resident Evil 1 at the age of 14. It's the ambience, the way they take your senses away from you. Sometimes you can't hear because of the machinery, sometimes you can't see because of the dark....it just makes a brilliant game.

The man who ran the sound project in Doom 3 deserves a fucking medal. From the music, to the voiceovers, to the ambience and machinery, it's all magnificent. The graphics are loverly and the gameplay is fun So it's not fucking mastermind....so what?! It's seeing what's round the next corner that brings me back to the game again and again.

Ducttape mod? For newbs.

As for what the engine can be used for? Well, AvP is a good start, but does anyone remember Space Hulk for the Amiga/Atari. Space Marines v Genestealers....woo yeah. That's almost the perfect setting. I hear they are doing a TFC mod for it, that is gonna be kickass.

Half Life 2 will be brilliant too, but for now, Doom 3 is squishy and Doom 3 is mine and Doom 3 shall be my squishy.

/clap couldnt have sad it better myself

 

[Nightchill]

Doom 3, to me, is a breath of fresh air.
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Completely agree.

 

[Danya]

Ducttape mod? For newbs.

The idea that stumbling about half-assed in the dark trying to kill things you can't see makes the game better and more "skillful" is so ridiculous it boggles the mind. Really, it's just poor game design - making the player pissed off because they can't see what they are doing is not good game design.

 

[nath]

lol, I'm amazed so many people find it so frustrating? It's not poor game design in the slightest, the whole point of not being able to have both equiped is so that when you have the flashlight, you feel all the more vulnerable. Tbh, I played it all the way through this way, and there was only ONE time where I REALLY couldn't see the demon when I put away the flashlight, all the other times if I put the flashlight away, I could still see just about enough to shoot at them.

 

[Danya]

Maybe it's perception - I prefer a more run-and-gun style of game, and something like doom gives that sort of expectation (given doom 1/2 was really run+gun). Having to switch a flashlight all the time is just irritating and detracts from the experience imo.

 

[nath]

Well, there are run and gun moments to the game, but it's also full of tension building scary moments. As PC Gamer said, don't blame the game for your preconceptions.

 

[Danya]

I don't blame the game... I also don't think it's good though.
On the whole "darkness = atmosphere" thing though - it seems a real shame to write such a technologically advanced engine then to have it rendering black pixels most of the time.

 

[Cask]

Been playing and despite having to hit a key everytime my sound cuts out I've been really impressed by it. Playing doom3 on my own, in the dark with the sound pumped up has probably been one of the best gaming experiences I've had. I'm surprised there aren't warnings against people with heart trouble on the box.

Yeah I find the darkness slightly oppressive sometimes but I'd imagine that's the way it's meant to be. You can hear when something is sneaking up on you so it's time to run to a light source or start brightening up the room with some muzzle flashes. At the start I got stuck in a corner a few times with a zombie mashing me up that I couldn't see, but not after I got the chainsaw. Also the darkness allows for some really amazing lighting effects.

Well worth the money on the whole. Even better if they patch it and fix my sound.

 

[Clown]

Man, I was scared playing Loaded on the Playstation 1

 

[Milkshake]

.... the whole point of not being able to have both equiped is so that when you have the flashlight, you feel all the more vulnerable....

That was what I was trying to say Some people feel that's a game flaw, personally I feel it's an ingenious addition to the game.

 

[Moving Target]

Yay, I feel more vulnerable because I can't see, now watch me die for the 23rd time, this game is clever!

 

[Doomy]

Danya is just a big girls blouse. Hes scared of the game