its nice to see

[Eemma]

AND on Ys Mid are n00bs zerg fuckers like Albs... Donno about hibs But I doubt it.

Anyway, becuz albs zerg you presume its becuz hibs/mids are OP
maybe mid was but as for hibs... well no more than albs... and now you say or was that Stonypony? dont remember and cant give a fuck less that Albs are now the OP one that is why the good players like DH left.. then WTF do you still zerg!?!?!? I know Its becuz most albs are clueless kids... oh no 1fg hibs near Beno LETS ZERG EM RAAAAH! tch! I have no more to say.

 

[Edaemos]

gave u hte answer u fuck , albs on excla are noob zergers and u are one of em , on prydwen its midgard that is noob zergers and albs/ hibs are skilled...... so no there arent just albs that is noob albs zergs u fuck twit

I see now you are unable to give me complete answers you resort to name calling. What about all the other Euro/US servers?, why are albs on there known as zergers and why when you read ign boards is it always "albs are zergers, no skill", which is pretty much what you get if you read the Fh forums.

Funnily enough when i played middy back in the day we beat the old LA group 6 times in 6 meetings within a few hours one day, eventually i guess you/them got annoyed and brought a full group of VGN back with you. This was not long after end regen was introduced into middy and LA was overpowered. Now you tell me, did you lose 6 times in those 6 meetings because we were better players or because of a mixture of overpowered class/abilities (ie realm imbalances)?

 

[Eemma]

I see now you are unable to give me complete answers you resort to name calling. What about all the other Euro/US servers?, why are albs on there known as zergers and why when you read ign boards is it always "albs are zergers, no skill", which is pretty much what you get if you read the Fh forums.

Funnily enough when i played middy back in the day we beat the old LA group 6 times in 6 meetings within a few hours one day, eventually i guess you/them got annoyed and brought a full group of VGN back with you. This was not long after end regen was introduced into middy and LA was overpowered. Now you tell me, did you lose 6 times in those 6 meetings because we were better players or because of a mixture of overpowered class/abilities (ie realm imbalances)?

I'd like some prove. and who the hell are you anyway.

anyway there were more than 8 ppl in LA werent there? might just be becuz they had the wrong person in group and im talking about skilled player here.

 

[Edaemos]

I'd like some prove. and who the hell are you anyway.

I play a scout called Edaemos nowadays, in middy i played a healer called morphene who was rr6lx who was in NP for around a month and then i left to play with rl friends and was in a guild called untouchables.

 

[Edaemos]

I'd like some prove. and who the hell are you anyway.

anyway there were more than 8 ppl in LA werent there? might just be becuz they had the wrong person in group and im talking about skilled player here.

It was a full LA group with tankster and co, tankster being rr10 at the time, they died enough to bring 1fg of VGN back with them the 7th time *shrugs*

As for the wrong person, why don't you just admit that the reason we won 6 times out of 6 was because of LA being overpowered along with end regen with no range, but no you can't because they would then confirm the reason why hibs/mids won more fg vs fg fights is realm imbalances

Same way we beat a 8 man rr8-rr11 gol group with 7 people and no shaman, because savages were overpowered and silly. Some people just have problems admitting the reason they win is because of an advantage not "mad skillz"

 

[Eemma]

hmm wasnt that when the Zerker was hitting for uber dmg? anyway arent we talking about alb zerg here? why change to subject to mid? we all know they have the most powerful tanks in game and are hard to beat and wont have a chance unless you have a group with good player and good setup.

hmm wait didnt DH hand NP thier ass Pre TOA???

 

[Edaemos]

hmm wait didnt DH hand NP thier ass Pre TOA???

DH the guild wasn't about then.

As for comparisons read the posts more, and at least try to understand them.

 

[Elline]

It was a full LA group with tankster and co, tankster being rr10 at the time, they died enough to bring 1fg of VGN back with them the 7th time *shrugs* "

Look tankster can 1 or 2 hit everybody so plz dont make things up that never happend gimp ass alb!


Account sold!

WoW

 

[Eemma]

DH the guild wasn't about then.

idd they werent, but when they were they did hand NP thier ass didnt they!?

As for comparisons read the posts more, and at least try to understand them.

Im quiet sure I understand your post fully, unless you post one thing and means another.

 

[Eemma]

It was a full LA group with tankster and co, tankster being rr10 at the time, they died enough to bring 1fg of VGN back with them the 7th time *shrugs*

*shrug*

As for the wrong person, why don't you just admit that the reason we won 6 times out of 6 was because of LA being overpowered along with end regen with no range, but no you can't because they would then confirm the reason why hibs/mids won more fg vs fg fights is realm imbalances

hibs/mids? Dont you mean just hibs? cuz if you are talking about hibs and mids winning more fgvsfg fights than albs becuz of end regen then I'd have to ask.. didnt Paladin get End chant same time as shammy got end buff?
and fyi, The bard end regen is a song, mids is a buff albs is a chant.. which means Hibs have harder time with getting end up and sometimes would even have to MoC.

Same way we beat a 8 man rr8-rr11 gol group with 7 people and no shaman, because savages were overpowered and silly. Some people just have problems admitting the reason they win is because of an advantage not "mad skillz"

I have fought many groups with svg and mainly lose to NP BC Groove JH. and won rest, so If your saying those guild dont have skills then you are clueless mate.

 

[Edaemos]

idd they werent, but when they were they did hand NP thier ass didnt they!?

i don't know, i had quit by then

Im quiet sure I understand your post fully, unless you post one thing and means another.

No you don't you asked why i mention middy, well quite simple, i said that classes/abilities caused realm imbalances, you and heste denied that claiming you won because your more skillful. Then he claimed that he answered my question regarding albs zerging on every server when he didn't and calling me another random alb zerger.

I then pointed out that i used to play in a group that killed him/his friends 6 times in 6 meetings one day. So this would either confirm that i am a better player simply because he claims he is better than the alb zerglings who he kills so easy, yet my group killed his group easy and him/they came back with more people to help them hence making him what he calls albs here. Or he could eat some humble pie and admit that class/realm imbalances is why albion pre NF were known as the zergers on pretty much every euro/US server.

 

[Eemma]

i don't know, i had quit by then




No you don't you asked why i mention middy, well quite simple, i said that classes/abilities caused realm imbalances, you and heste denied that claiming you won because your more skillful. Then he claimed that he answered my question regarding albs zerging on every server when he didn't and calling me another random alb zerger.

I then pointed out that i used to play in a group that killed him/his friends 6 times in 6 meetings one day. So this would either confirm that i am a better player simply because he claims he is better than the alb zerglings who he kills so easy, yet my group killed his group easy and him/they came back with more people to help them hence making him what he calls albs here. Or he could eat some humble pie and admit that class/realm imbalances is why albion pre NF were known as the zergers on pretty much every euro/US server.

Could just be both!? I Dont deny having good abilities doesnt add to the ''skill'' its just how to use them and @ the right time. in which case random n00bs would be clueless and waste them or dont use them @ all

 

[Edaemos]

hibs/mids? Dont you mean just hibs? cuz if you are talking about hibs and mids winning more fgvsfg fights than albs becuz of end regen then I'd have to ask.. didnt Paladin get End chant same time as shammy got end buff?
and fyi, The bard end regen is a song, mids is a buff albs is a chant.. which means Hibs have harder time with getting end up and sometimes would even have to MoC.

Middy end regen was overpowered in its old form and was one of the reasons middy so was overpowered at that particular time

I have fought many groups with svg and mainly lose to NP BC Groove JH. and won rest, so If your saying those guild dont have skills then you are clueless mate.

They probably do have some "skills" but daoc doesn't require alot of skills, some knowledge, a good group setup, some comms, everyone to have the right RA's/equipment etc, but i certainly don't call hitting an insta mezz/stun button to get the inital advantage skill, you might, i don't, also saying we beat that GoL group because of skills when we had 2 savages who were doing silly damage at silly speeds is plain rediculous.

 

[Eemma]

Middy end regen was overpowered in its old form and was one of the reasons middy so was overpowered at that particular time



They probably do have some "skills" but daoc doesn't require alot of skills, some knowledge, a good group setup, some comms, everyone to have the right RA's/equipment etc, but i certainly don't call hitting an insta mezz/stun button to get the inital advantage skill, you might, i don't, also saying we beat that GoL group because of skills when we had 2 savages who were doing silly damage at silly speeds is plain rediculous.

So why is it that albs cant do this? they have a better chance than mids and hibs.. wel Hibs @ least in fg vs fg yet they still continue the mindless zerg.
as for insta mezz/stun I have no clue what your trying to say. Dont recall GoL to be good till after TOA like BC. or was it after SI they stop thier 2fg run? anyway im quit sure you must have been more skilled and ofc have svg advantages but svg aint very effective against a good shield tank

 

[Edaemos]

I Dont deny having good abilities doesnt add to the ''skill''

I think this is where your view of skill is completely different to mine, having good abilities like GP/aoe stun/insta mezz/insta amnesia (before sorc got bolt range mezz) etc adds nothing to skill imho, nothing at all, its just giving you an advantage over your opponent.

I don't call starting with a huge advantage over your opponent a fair fight, with the nice abilities/higher util per character in hib/mid classes balanced rvr gorups were easier to make hence you saw more of them.

Alb has more diluted abilities over the characters and making groups takes ALOT longer and sometimes finding a cleric or sorc would take over an hour, where as in middy getting healers is extremely easy. This is why you saw albs zerg more, people would try to make groups and usually be missing an essential class, try to roam, die in 10 seconds and then they would group up with another group leaving atk.

 

[Eemma]

I think this is where your view of skill is completely different to mine, having good abilities like GP/aoe stun/insta mezz/insta amnesia (before sorc got bolt range mezz) etc adds nothing to skill imho, nothing at all, its just giving you an advantage over your opponent.

I don't call starting with a huge advantage over your opponent a fair fight, with the nice abilities/higher util per character in hib/mid classes balanced rvr gorups were easier to make hence you saw more of them.

Alb has more diluted abilities over the characters and making groups takes ALOT longer and sometimes finding a cleric or sorc would take over an hour, where as in middy getting healers is extremely easy. This is why you saw albs zerg more, people would try to make groups and usually be missing an essential class, try to roam, die in 10 seconds and then they would group up with another group leaving atk.

Still Doesnt answer why Albs still zerg though??

 

[Eemma]

And If Its true that this game require little skill to perform good why are there so few that have done well while rest havnt?

 

[Edaemos]

And If Its true that this game require little skill to perform good why are there so few that have done well while rest havnt?

I presume you judge "done well" on RP's gained, well simple fact is RP's = time spent in rvr, if you rvr enough you will get high RR, that is certain. Playing with other high RR players or playing in a realm that is at the time "overpowered" ie mids LA/savage times, then gaining rp's is much easier as alot of mids and especially SB's found out at that time. Some people can rvr alot more than others due to not working full time etc, enabling them to have access to more chance of gaining rp's.

 

[Hestethun]

well how is hte realm imbalanced now ? also DH was in pre toa xD and 2nd of all I dont belive u kicking old LA 6 times

 

[Eemma]

I presume you judge "done well" on RP's gained, well simple fact is RP's = time spent in rvr, if you rvr enough you will get high RR, that is certain. Playing with other high RR players or playing in a realm that is at the time "overpowered" ie mids LA/savage times, then gaining rp's is much easier as alot of mids and especially SB's found out at that time. Some people can rvr alot more than others due to not working full time etc, enabling them to have access to more chance of gaining rp's.

But it still doesnt require much skill as you say tho, playing couple of hour per day should have let them gained at least some good RA to help them,

I've seen low rr beat high rr and I have been beaten by low rr like Groove or was it JH? (prolly both)when they just came out. so it actually require more than just alittle skill to perform well, I remember beating FC in Odin pre toa with tanks group and they had BoF SoS etc etc up and continue to do so in a row. SoS > GP if used right imo. and they are good player and best alb fg out at the time.

 

[Edaemos]

well how is hte realm imbalanced now ?

Not sure how it is now, i haven't done any FG v Fg rvr in NF, with xmas and archers in general being more powerful it hasnt appealed to me, i would have to leave that to someone who rvr's more in a fg environment, it would be pointless for me to say something as i don't really know how fg rvr balance is atm.

also DH was in pre toa xD

Probably was, i took a break from when savages were OP until ToA, but they weren't an active guild when end regen was introduced into middy and LA was OP, unless it was a guild for BB etc because Garb/sheph etc weren't in it.

and 2nd of all I dont belive u kicking old LA 6 times

Like it or not it happened, and they came back with 1fg VGN to help them out.

 

[Edaemos]

But it still doesnt require much skill as you say tho, playing couple of hour per day should have let them gained at least some good RA to help them,

I've seen low rr beat high rr and I have been beaten by low rr like Groove or was it JH? (prolly both)when they just came out. so it actually require more than just alittle skill to perform well, I remember beating FC in Odin pre toa with tanks group and they had BoF SoS etc etc up and continue to do so in a row. SoS > GP if used right imo. and they are good player and best alb fg out at the time.

How many low RR ie rr1-4 alb groups beat high rr mid/hib groups? i can't ever recall losing to a low RR alb group when i played middy in a fg vs fg fight yet as an alb running in a low RR group and it was a balanced group its pretty much impossible to beat high rr mids/hibs if they are actually looking at the monitor, this is where you see the realm imbalances.

Think how many low RR alb groups you have lost too, then think about how many high rr alb groups you beat when you was low rr. When we beat the fg of GoL highest in our group had just hot rr6, we had 3 rr4 people, turn that about u think 7 albs could beat a fg of rr8-11 mids or hibs? ofc not.

You lost to low JH or groove or both, well groove weren't all low RR iirc, meril was around rr7/8 when he joined them i think, as for JH, well they had 2 savages which helped alot and a quite a few rr5/6 people..

 

[Eemma]

Not sure how it is now, i haven't done any FG v Fg rvr in NF, with xmas and archers in general being more powerful it hasnt appealed to me, i would have to leave that to someone who rvr's more in a fg environment, it would be pointless for me to say something as i don't really know how fg rvr balance is atm.

I can tell you that atm albs have the upperhand with sorc bolt range and thier insane lifetap dmg. they can and will perform good in rvr versus normal group. so there is no reason for them to zerg YET they STILL zerg around.

Probably was, i took a break from when savages were OP until ToA, but they weren't an active guild when end regen was introduced into middy and LA was OP, unless it was a guild for BB etc because Garb/sheph etc weren't in it.

Garb nver been in DH afaik.
DH formed just before/after vgn break or something (later merged with Disc/Ade etc guild) i think.

Like it or not it happened, and they came back with 1fg VGN to help them out.

Know how Tankster was back then she would have /q and go do something else after 2nd-3rd time u beat them. and I doubt they ''came'' back with vgn

 

[Eemma]

shit double post.

 

[Edaemos]

I can tell you that atm albs have the upperhand with sorc bolt range and thier insane lifetap dmg. they can and will perform good in rvr versus normal group. so there is no reason for them to zerg YET they STILL zerg around.

Aussies thread proved speed 5/6+insta > bolt range mezz.

Garb nver been in DH afaik.
DH formed just before/after vgn break or something (later merged with Disc/Ade etc guild) i think.

He was always with them though.

Know how Tankster was back then she would have /q and go do something else after 2nd-3rd time u beat them. and I doubt they ''came'' back with vgn

Back then i saw tankster in emain all the time, i remember someone saying he/she played crazy amounts of hours per day, as for them coming back, we met them the 7th time on the hill near the mindworms and it was 2fg, they were running together.

 

[Edaemos]

Anyway I guess there's no way to make you face the fact that you need to be very skilled to perform well in rvr.. But everyone has thier own opinion.

cba to waste time on this anymore.

I do disagree, DAOC is mainly knowledge, preperation, realm rank and getting the correct classes in your group to get the most from it. Imho rvr requires very little skill, not even in the same leaue as old UO pvp.

 

[Eemma]

I do disagree, DAOC is mainly knowledge, preperation, realm rank and getting the correct classes in your group to get the most from it. Imho it requires very little skill, rvr doesn't compete with old UO pvp.

Clearly you have no clue at all mate I pity you.

 

[Edaemos]

Clearly you have no clue at all mate I pity you.

No need to pity me sir, im not the one claiming DAOC requires loads of skill *shrugs*

 

[Eemma]

No need to pity me sir, im not the one claiming DAOC requires loads of skill *shrugs*

 

[Hestethun]

it was a norwegian guild in the start with dohhh ,tusk , bitteliten and some others