Question Israel / Palestine - Is this accurate ?

[Scouse]

I don't think there is a solution where one side is sworn to destroy the other.

Thankfully, history shows you to be comprehensively incorrect.

 

[rynnor]

Thankfully, history shows you to be comprehensively incorrect.

History of the Middle East?

 

[Scouse]

History of the Middle East?

Oh. I didn't know feelings were based on where in the world you were.

My mistake. I thought that time could be a healer in the middle east as it has been in other parts of the world. But I guess not. Who'd have thunk that israel had invented some sort of aggression-magnet eh?

 

[Raven]

History of the Middle East?

And half of Europe.

 

[Scouse]

And half of Europe.

I'm hoping you're showing rynnor that we're not actually at war with our mortal enemies France and Spain any more

 

[rynnor]

My mistake. I thought that time could be a healer in the middle east as it has been in other parts of the world.

The problem for your viewpoint is that the world is full of examples that disprove it and very few to support it.

 

[Scouse]

The problem for your viewpoint is that the world is full of examples that disprove it and very few to support it.

Oh really? I didn't know the US was still at war with Japan.

How's our fight with Germany going btw?

LOL! Imagine if we shared some government with them?!!!!! Fuck. I crack myself up sometimes.

 

[rynnor]

I'm hoping you're showing rynnor that we're not currently at war with our mortal enemies France and Spain any more

Fixed that for you - think of it as a lull to allow re-arming.

 

[rynnor]

Oh really? I didn't know the US was still at war with Japan.

Last I heard the US still occupy large chunks of Japanese territory with thousands of troops there - just saying

How's our fight with Germany going btw?

Can't be long till the next one - unless you truly believe that our 60 years of peace will somehow last forever?

 

[Scouse]

Last I heard the US still occupy large chunks of Japanese territory with thousands of troops there - just saying

With consent.

Can't be long till the next one - unless you truly believe that our 60 years of peace will somehow last forever?

I doubt it will, until the minds of people are changed through education. Go a bit more Carl Sagan and a bit less Carl Schmidt.

 

[rynnor]

With consent.

Hmm http://www.rttnews.com/2008023/japa...ype=gn&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=sitemap

 

[Scouse]

Hmm http://www.rttnews.com/2008023/japa...ype=gn&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=sitemap

Yes. With consent.

That article is about people who don't like it - NOT the japanese government. And to quote your own article:

A staunch U.S. ally in the Asia-Pacific, Japan is home to a number of U.S. military bases with more than 50,000 soldiers, nearly half of them in Okinawa. Even though Japan and the United States have agreed to shift the Marine Corps Futenma Air Station from Okinawa, it is yet to be implemented.

 

[rynnor]

Yes. With consent.

That article is about people who don't like it - NOT the japanese government. And to quote your own article:

Japan has little choice considering how much the Chinese hate them - without the US forces Japan would be in trouble...

Perhaps we just need the US to send a huge standing army to Israel to secure peace in the region?

 

[Scouse]

You just keep on scrabbling rynnor - sooner or later, like Indy, you'll find a vine

 

[Scouse]

Seems that israel, hot on the heels of announcing a new raft of illegal settlements, is now withholding 120 million in tax revenues from the Palestinian Authority.


I guess that's what happens in israel when a democratic vote outnumbers you more than ten to one, eh?

 

[Wij]

To be fair, the PA is corrupt, gangsterish and a puppet of nearby regimes. Would you withhold money if you thought it was just going to fund the rockets and bombs that your people don't really like going off in their midst?

 

[Scouse]

You could come up with any excuse you like, but at the end of the day they've just been the beneficiary of a nice big UN-stamped vote of confidence and israel should not be witholding it.

Frankly it's just another reason (amongst the fucking hundreds) that stokes the rocket attacks.

Did I say 136 - 9 btw?

It seems the UN has confidence in the palestinians...

 

[Wij]

It seems the UN likes contemplating its belly-button as usual. It's just PR. The PA is reneging on treaty commitments by doing this just as much as anyone else is. Why do you see any good guys in this thing?

 

[mr.Blacky]

Out of all those nations how many really care, that is the bigger question.
How many voted yes to because they don't like the US?
Most UN votes have got more to do with confidence but more with selfish politics, just look at Syria.
What I am still wondering about is who calls them illegal settlements? What court has?
I do hope the Palestinians will get their state as I believe it is any people's right to have one.

 

[soze]

Well done palestine

Is this a good thing? If Hamas are a terrorist organization they have just been given a seat at the table. So whats the stop the Taliban getting a seat? This is not meant to be against Palestine in particular just nations ruled by terrorists.

 

[Raven]

The Taliban don't represent a country.

If Shin Fane won in the Republic of Ireland would you call the Irish a bunch of terrorists?

 

[Poag]

The Taliban don't represent a country.*

If Shin Fane won in the Republic of Ireland would you call the Irish a bunch of terrorists?

*Anymore. But they did.


Also thats not what hes said. He said the leaders are part of a terrorist movement, not the people.

 

[Scouse]

If Hamas are a terrorist organization they have just been given a seat at the table.

We define them as a terrorist organisation. The rest of the world doesn't.

We define them as such because we want israel to win and them to lose.

 

[Scouse]

It seems the leader of the UN is warning israel against a fatal blow to peace.

Israeli settlement plans in a strategically sensitive area of occupied land near East Jerusalem would deal "an almost fatal blow" to peace hopes, UN head Ban Ki-moon has warned.
Palestinians in East Jerusalem could be completely cut off from the rest of the West Bank

Israel, is doing this. Not Palestinians who have no power as they're under israeli rule. No, it's the religion-based government that's doing this.

Benjamin Netanyahu said:

We will carry on building in Jerusalem and in all the places that are on the map of Israel's strategic interests

C.U.N.T.S.

 

[DaGaffer]

Is this a good thing? If Hamas are a terrorist organization they have just been given a seat at the table. So whats the stop the Taliban getting a seat? This is not meant to be against Palestine in particular just nations ruled by terrorists.

Well the Israelis would hardly be in a position to criticise; they had an ex-terrorist as Prime Minister once.

 

[DaGaffer]

We define them as a terrorist organisation. The rest of the world doesn't.

We define them as such because we want israel to win and them to lose.

Yes they do. The Hamas military wing is regarded by most political commentators (not just Americans and British) as the PIRA to the Political Hamas' Sinn Fein. Military Hamas often does things that are contrary to the political wing's stated aims; like firing missiles next to schools, using civilians as human shields etc.

Its all very well, (quite rightly), pointing out the evils of the Israelis, but to the neutral observer, no-one in that part of the world are the good guys, you've got black hats on both sides.

 

[Scouse]

Well the Israelis would hardly be in a position to criticise; they had an ex-terrorist as Prime Minister once.

Yup. And israel has kept his policies at the forefront of their racist land-grab ever since.

Begin’s government promoted the construction of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

 

[Poag]

Russia deems Hamas is a terrorist organisation, they dont put it "on the list" however as they only list threats to themselves. Source rather than the US/Euro method of listing terrorist groups in general.

 

[Raven]

*Anymore. But they did.


Also thats not what hes said. He said the leaders are part of a terrorist movement, not the people.

Half of Shin Fane weren't afraid of a bit of good old knee capping in their day.

 

[Scouse]

Half of Shin Fane weren't afraid of a bit of good old knee capping in their day.

And the british government tools around the world with their massive and well-funded army killing political targets. Even ones they helped put in power like the mujahadeen Taliban.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. If we're getting to that level of "but but but the the government says they're terrorists!!11!" in our arguments are no longer based on the evidence before our own eyes and become based on someone else's opinion...