Israel/Palestine (Conflict to more Conflicts)

[Bodhi]

I'd have thought the best thing about being a Zionist @Bodhi is that it's currently the only politically correct form of outright racism that's not only allowed, but encouraged and financially supported in the UK.

Tell me you've never been to Israel without telling me etc etc.

For instance I've sat in a meeting with one of our customers talking to an IT team made up of both Israelis and Arabs and they got on famously. We had dinner with them afterwards and that continued, so I'm not sure where your accusation of racism comes from - other than ignorance from swallowing Hamas propaganda wholesale.

THe next morning a Palestinian taxi driver took me to the airport and spent most of the time telling me about how he spent the weekend with his Jewish neighbour and their family.
So again, your accusation of racism doesn't seem to fit with the reality I observed when I actually visited Israel. Maybe your experience there was different?

 

[Gwadien]

Sure is incredible that Israel has killed 50,000 members of Hamas, that has to be some kind of % record.

 

[Scouse]

I've already stated why multiple times @Bodhi. Zionism is inheriently racist. It's why Israel is lobbying so hard to get governments to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism - because it says that being anti-zionist is antisemitic.

It's a perverse, supremacist wankstain of an ideology that has led directly to what we're seeing in Israel right now.

As for this:

Tell me you've never been to Israel without telling me etc etc.

Tell me you've never been a politician without telling me you understand democracy eh?

Zionism is an idea. You don't have to go to Israel to understand what an idea is. Whether I've got friends who lived on a Kibbutz* (and I do) or not is immaterial to whether I can understand the ideology.



*and they can see it for the racist supremacist ideology that it is too. And are also friends with Arabs. But they can see it, because they're not knuckle-dragging idiots.

 

[Bodhi]

I've already stated why multiple times @Bodhi. Zionism is inheriently racist. It's why Israel is lobbying so hard to get governments to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism - because it says that being anti-zionist is antisemitic.

It's a perverse, supremacist wankstain of an ideology that has led directly to what we're seeing in Israel right now.

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

 

[Ormorof]

"A bit fed up" 😆

 

[Raven]

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

50,000 killed, men, women and children, not just as collateral damage, but targeting people queuing for aid, shooting children. It's a genocide, and not at all explained as "defense"

Israel is a terrorist state, and should be treated in the same way as Syria, or Afghanistan.

 

[Scouse]

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

You mean, an oppressive racist apartheid society have continuously provoked a section of the indidgenous population that we helped shuft off their historical land on the pretext of religious texts, and are using their (initially gifted) advanced technology to massacre sections of the non-jewish population that they've herded into walled concentration camps and denied basic levels of water and power - with the overall objective of wiping them off the face of the map?

Yeah them. I'd be lobbing rockets too. As would you.

 

[Scouse]

Israel’s ecocide in Gaza sends this message: even if we stopped dropping bombs, you couldn’t live here | George Monbiot

Consider the annihilation of agricultural land alongside the genocide – and grasp the chilling totality of this attempt to eliminate all life, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

Israel’s ecocide in Gaza sends this message: even if we stopped dropping bombs, you couldn’t live here | George Monbiot

Consider the annihilation of agricultural land alongside the genocide – and grasp the chilling totality of this attempt to eliminate all life, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

Surely actively spraying herbicides should automatically be a point where there needs to be immediate action.

I know the US doesn't have a good track record, but herbicides in 2025 as a weapon of 'war'...

 

[Scouse]

Bulldozers as a weapon of war. All the olive groves, fruit trees etc. They could effectively feed themselves - but even if the genocide stopped today they'd have nowhere to live and no ability to feed themselves.

They're getting maybe 3/4 litres of (dirty) water a day. Starmer backed this. Is still backing this - with our money and weapons.

Hope that gives you pause for thought when it comes to the ID card motivations. Tony Blair still pulling the strings - and our last two biggest war criminal PM's have both been Labour PM's

 

[Scouse]

Palestinians in West Bank stranded as Israel shuts only international crossing

Many have been unable to leave the territory since the Allenby Bridge crossing was shut indefinitely on Wednesday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

So this:

Keir Starmer asks students not to join protests on 7 October

The prime minister says it is "un-British" to hold pro-Palestinian protests on the second anniversary of Hamas's attacks on Israel.

www.bbc.co.uk

Starmer is playing from the Israel playbook - he's conflating criticisim of Israel with antisemitism. This is a zionist principle.

He's accusing students of being on some antisemitic march, when nothing can be further from the truth. There may well be a couple of wankers in every march, but the pro-palestinian marches and the anti-genocide protests have been massively well intentioned and incredibly well behaved.

If you ever wanted proof of Israeli mind-capture of UK government (and it's the same in the US) then this is it.

We all quite rightly baulk at the sight of a skinheaded neo-nazi. They're the white supremacists of our time. But zionists are the same - they're Jewish supremacists. Not all Jews are zionists - so it's not a jewish thing. It's a supremacist master-race, entitled above all others thing. And Starmer is an avowed zionist.

 

[Scouse]

What we know about the 'first phase' Gaza peace deal

Donald Trump says all hostages will be released and Israel will withdraw troops to an "agreed upon line", but there is no update to other aspects of his 20-point peace plan.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's pretty thin gruel to be celebrating this. 80% of Gaza is destroyed. There's no farmland left. It's not a sustainable state.

How long before Israel accuses Hamas of reneging on the bits of the deal? I fear they'll be going back in at some point.

At the very least Israel will revert to not giving the prison camp that is Gaza enough power or water, and they'll play shithousery with the required relief like they always has done.

All of humanity has lost with this - Israeli action, followed up by lack of action on behalf of the rest of the planet to prevent this atrocity, has shown us all what kind of animal we are.

 

[Embattle]

I'll have you know, Trump and all those other misguided fools will believe this gets him the Nobel Peace prize, forgetting the fact that the majority of what was/is being dropped on Gaza and elsewhere was MADE IN AMERICA.

 

[Scouse]

I'll have you know, Trump and all those other misguided fools will believe this gets him the Nobel Peace prize, forgetting the fact that the majority of what was/is being dropped on Gaza and elsewhere was MADE IN AMERICA.

And the UK.

Don't exclude the 51st state from this atrocity. We're locking up thousands of our own citizens for Israel and extending bans on peaceful protest for this shithousery.

 

[Scouse]

Again, don't know why the facepalm @Embattle. I've family members working in the defence industry where their products end up in Israel.

If you can't look at your own country and see both the good and the bad in it then you're simply a fantasist.

 

[Gwadien]

Again, don't know why the facepalm @Embattle. I've family members working in the defence industry where their products end up in Israel.

If you can't look at your own country and see both the good and the bad in it then you're simply a fantasist.

I was about to disagree with you because I saw somewhere that we give like £17m worth of weapons to Israel which in the grand scheme of things is fuck all.

However, Chatgpt said this

In 2022, the UK granted licences for defence exports to Israel worth about £42 million.
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In 2023 that dropped to about £18 million.
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Between October-December 2024, there was a sharp rise: licences for military equipment to Israel in that quarter were valued at about £127.6 million.
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So really, we're actually massively complicit in profiting from the bombing of Gaza.

 

[Scouse]

The UK makes a fortune from war. We don't give a fuck about ethics.

 

[Embattle]

Again, don't know why the facepalm @Embattle. I've family members working in the defence industry where their products end up in Israel.

If you can't look at your own country and see both the good and the bad in it then you're simply a fantasist.

Just your usual trying to compare apples to oranges at the same time as whinge on about PAN.

 

[Gwadien]

Just your usual trying to compare apples to oranges at the same time as whinge on about PAN.

Sorry Emb, but that's bollocks.

That's like saying if Switzerland sold Nazi Germany £10000 worth of stuff that killed Jews (and they were fully aware it did) then it'd be ok because Sweden sold them £10000000 stuff that killed Jews.

 

[Scouse]

92% of homes destroyed in Gaza
55 millions metric tons of rubble
40 billion of arms sales to Israel from the U.S. since Oct 7th
1.9 million displaced Palestinians
518 schools destroyed or damaged
7 U.S. vetoes of UN ceasefire resolutions
99% of Palestinian households that are food insecure
270 journalists killed
790 attacks on doctors and healthcare facilities
67,000 confirmed deaths
20,179 of whom were children
186,000 estimated number of deaths, direct and indirect
97 per cent of Gaza’s animal wealth destroyed
86% (nearly 13,000 hectares - 32,000 acres) of Gaza's farmland destroyed

I'll be disgusted if Trump gets a Nobel - the "war" has come to a natural conclusion.

 

[caLLous]

I'll be disgusted if Trump gets a Nobel - the "war" has come to a natural conclusion.

Trump (yes yes and others but as far as I know none of them are craving the Peace Prize) has allowed and indeed encouraged Netanyahu to do whatever the hell he wants and commit whatever crimes he wants and now they've basically destroyed Gaza they're turning around and calling what amounts to a forced surrender a peace deal.

It'll be interesting to see how Trump's big drive for peace changes should he or should he not get the NPP today. I'll be astonished (and will give him credit) if all of this wasn't just for some bauble and he continues to actually, genuinely try to end conflicts.

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe I'm cynical but I feel like he's intentionally dragged it out so that the news of it comes out today.

At the cost of how many lives?

I really hope the NPP people call this out (although there's a great sense of full circle here since what Alfred Noble actually did...)

 

[Tom]

I was about to disagree with you because I saw somewhere that we give like £17m worth of weapons to Israel which in the grand scheme of things is fuck all.

However, Chatgpt said this

Chatgpt will repeat whatever garbage is fed to it, including garbage results from itself. Don't rely on it.

 

[Scouse]

Chatgpt will repeat whatever garbage is fed to it, including garbage results from itself. Don't rely on it.

Use it all the time for research. Make no mistake, it's really good - but you have to do tge crucial last step: validate for yourself that the stuff you've researched through chatgpt is correct and valid.

If you do that it's incredibly powerful. A genuine fame changer.

 

[DaGaffer]

Venezuelan politician María Corina Machado wins Nobel peace prize

Leader of country’s opposition receives award after scrutiny surrounding committee and comments by Donald Trump

www.theguardian.com

Oh dear, it's all going to kick off now.

 

[Scouse]

Lets see eh?

 

[Tom]

The orange-faced child rapist will be furious that he doesn't get one, but Obama did.



Good.

 

[caLLous]

The orange-faced child rapist will be furious that he doesn't get one, but Obama did.



Good.

And Obama was surprised when he got it and questioned whether he even deserved it. He said he saw it as a call to action rather than recognition of things he'd already done, whereas if Mango Unchained won it he'd probably say "job done, back to indiscriminately murdering foreign nationals in the Caribbean".

Trump can either double down and focus on actually ending as many conflicts as he can to put himself in the frame for the award next year or he can go on a massive sulk...

 

[Deebs]

And Obama was surprised when he got it and questioned whether he even deserved it. He said he saw it as a call to action rather than recognition of things he'd already done, whereas if Mango Unchained won it he'd probably say "job done, back to indiscriminately murdering foreign nationals in the Caribbean".

Trump can either double down and focus on actually ending as many conflicts as he can to put himself in the frame for the award next year or he can go on a massive sulk...

Massive tantrum and sulk is showing on my RR (Retard Radar)