Israel/Palestine (Conflict to more Conflicts)

[Bodhi]

I'd have thought the best thing about being a Zionist @Bodhi is that it's currently the only politically correct form of outright racism that's not only allowed, but encouraged and financially supported in the UK.

Tell me you've never been to Israel without telling me etc etc.

For instance I've sat in a meeting with one of our customers talking to an IT team made up of both Israelis and Arabs and they got on famously. We had dinner with them afterwards and that continued, so I'm not sure where your accusation of racism comes from - other than ignorance from swallowing Hamas propaganda wholesale.

THe next morning a Palestinian taxi driver took me to the airport and spent most of the time telling me about how he spent the weekend with his Jewish neighbour and their family.
So again, your accusation of racism doesn't seem to fit with the reality I observed when I actually visited Israel. Maybe your experience there was different?

 

[Gwadien]

Sure is incredible that Israel has killed 50,000 members of Hamas, that has to be some kind of % record.

 

[Scouse]

I've already stated why multiple times @Bodhi. Zionism is inheriently racist. It's why Israel is lobbying so hard to get governments to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism - because it says that being anti-zionist is antisemitic.

It's a perverse, supremacist wankstain of an ideology that has led directly to what we're seeing in Israel right now.

As for this:

Tell me you've never been to Israel without telling me etc etc.

Tell me you've never been a politician without telling me you understand democracy eh?

Zionism is an idea. You don't have to go to Israel to understand what an idea is. Whether I've got friends who lived on a Kibbutz* (and I do) or not is immaterial to whether I can understand the ideology.



*and they can see it for the racist supremacist ideology that it is too. And are also friends with Arabs. But they can see it, because they're not knuckle-dragging idiots.

 

[Bodhi]

I've already stated why multiple times @Bodhi. Zionism is inheriently racist. It's why Israel is lobbying so hard to get governments to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism - because it says that being anti-zionist is antisemitic.

It's a perverse, supremacist wankstain of an ideology that has led directly to what we're seeing in Israel right now.

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

 

[Ormorof]

"A bit fed up" 😆

 

[Raven]

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

50,000 killed, men, women and children, not just as collateral damage, but targeting people queuing for aid, shooting children. It's a genocide, and not at all explained as "defense"

Israel is a terrorist state, and should be treated in the same way as Syria, or Afghanistan.

 

[Scouse]

A hugely technically advanced and liberal society getting a bit fed up with people continuously lobbing rockets at them and taking their citizens hostage you mean?

You mean, an oppressive racist apartheid society have continuously provoked a section of the indidgenous population that we helped shuft off their historical land on the pretext of religious texts, and are using their (initially gifted) advanced technology to massacre sections of the non-jewish population that they've herded into walled concentration camps and denied basic levels of water and power - with the overall objective of wiping them off the face of the map?

Yeah them. I'd be lobbing rockets too. As would you.

 

[Scouse]

Israel’s ecocide in Gaza sends this message: even if we stopped dropping bombs, you couldn’t live here | George Monbiot

Consider the annihilation of agricultural land alongside the genocide – and grasp the chilling totality of this attempt to eliminate all life, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

Israel’s ecocide in Gaza sends this message: even if we stopped dropping bombs, you couldn’t live here | George Monbiot

Consider the annihilation of agricultural land alongside the genocide – and grasp the chilling totality of this attempt to eliminate all life, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

Surely actively spraying herbicides should automatically be a point where there needs to be immediate action.

I know the US doesn't have a good track record, but herbicides in 2025 as a weapon of 'war'...

 

[Scouse]

Bulldozers as a weapon of war. All the olive groves, fruit trees etc. They could effectively feed themselves - but even if the genocide stopped today they'd have nowhere to live and no ability to feed themselves.

They're getting maybe 3/4 litres of (dirty) water a day. Starmer backed this. Is still backing this - with our money and weapons.

Hope that gives you pause for thought when it comes to the ID card motivations. Tony Blair still pulling the strings - and our last two biggest war criminal PM's have both been Labour PM's

 

[Scouse]

Palestinians in West Bank stranded as Israel shuts only international crossing

Many have been unable to leave the territory since the Allenby Bridge crossing was shut indefinitely on Wednesday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

So this:

Keir Starmer asks students not to join protests on 7 October

The prime minister says it is "un-British" to hold pro-Palestinian protests on the second anniversary of Hamas's attacks on Israel.

www.bbc.co.uk

Starmer is playing from the Israel playbook - he's conflating criticisim of Israel with antisemitism. This is a zionist principle.

He's accusing students of being on some antisemitic march, when nothing can be further from the truth. There may well be a couple of wankers in every march, but the pro-palestinian marches and the anti-genocide protests have been massively well intentioned and incredibly well behaved.

If you ever wanted proof of Israeli mind-capture of UK government (and it's the same in the US) then this is it.

We all quite rightly baulk at the sight of a skinheaded neo-nazi. They're the white supremacists of our time. But zionists are the same - they're Jewish supremacists. Not all Jews are zionists - so it's not a jewish thing. It's a supremacist master-race, entitled above all others thing. And Starmer is an avowed zionist.

 

[Scouse]

What we know about the 'first phase' Gaza peace deal

Donald Trump says all hostages will be released and Israel will withdraw troops to an "agreed upon line", but there is no update to other aspects of his 20-point peace plan.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's pretty thin gruel to be celebrating this. 80% of Gaza is destroyed. There's no farmland left. It's not a sustainable state.

How long before Israel accuses Hamas of reneging on the bits of the deal? I fear they'll be going back in at some point.

At the very least Israel will revert to not giving the prison camp that is Gaza enough power or water, and they'll play shithousery with the required relief like they always has done.

All of humanity has lost with this - Israeli action, followed up by lack of action on behalf of the rest of the planet to prevent this atrocity, has shown us all what kind of animal we are.

 

[Embattle]

I'll have you know, Trump and all those other misguided fools will believe this gets him the Nobel Peace prize, forgetting the fact that the majority of what was/is being dropped on Gaza and elsewhere was MADE IN AMERICA.

 

[Scouse]

I'll have you know, Trump and all those other misguided fools will believe this gets him the Nobel Peace prize, forgetting the fact that the majority of what was/is being dropped on Gaza and elsewhere was MADE IN AMERICA.

And the UK.

Don't exclude the 51st state from this atrocity. We're locking up thousands of our own citizens for Israel and extending bans on peaceful protest for this shithousery.