Israel/Palestine (Conflict to more Conflicts)

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Cunts that support Hezbollah et al, are just as much cunts as those that support Israel. A pox on both their houses.
 
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Cunts that support Hezbollah et al, are just as much cunts as those that support Israel. A pox on both their houses.
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Don't see Zionists in the dock though eh?

I mean, if we did, Starmer would have to be there too.
 
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It was all planned, now they can claim that they get attacked if they allow aid in.
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Nah, the original plan was far more disgusting -

Set up aid, get people to ID, you're related to a 'known' Hamas member? No food for you oh and you're arrested bro.

Literal Nazi tactics.
 
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The original plan was to wipe the Palestinians off the map.

Then Jewish Israelis move in and settle the quality beach front property.

It's openly discussed at the highest level of government. They were just waiting (and provoking) for an excuse.

Zionism is not compatible with human rights for non-Jews. Everyone else is a lesser animal.

Don't get me wrong. Islam is the same. But our taxes and political capital and our weapons aren't being spent propping up the Palestinians are they.
 
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The original plan was to wipe the Palestinians off the map.

Then Jewish Israelis move in and settle the quality beach front property.

It's openly discussed at the highest level of government. They were just waiting (and provoking) for an excuse.

Zionism is not compatible with human rights for non-Jews. Everyone else is a lesser animal.

Don't get me wrong. Islam is the same. But our taxes and political capital and our weapons aren't being spent propping up the Palestinians are they.
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I don't think this is fair.

Ideologies change from the country-less persecuted religious minority in Europe to a bastion of 'Westernism' in the West, I think many Israelis would consider Zionism to be pretty much done.

What's left hasn't got much to do with religion, it's just the original division that created perpetual warfare since the creation of Israel which has understandably put them in a bunker mentality - much like the Palestinians, hence the support for militants.

Ultimately I think the international community are the ones to blame, for not stepping in sooner to help create a solution and not putting pressure on primarily the US to giving them a free pass on genocide.
 
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I don't think this is fair.
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I do.

And the US, just like the UK, is beholden to the Israel lobby. Good luck getting voted in without full throated support for whatever Israel wants.
 
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Israel will ethnically cleanse Gaza (and the West Bank is next as soon as there's the slightest pretext), suffer from a wave of impotent rage from people with purple hair for a year or two, and then they'll have solved their Palestinian Question for good. Like Nazis but better at it. And the one group of people who will be the first to shrug and do business with Israel? The Arab world.
 
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Israel will annex part of Iran and move the Palestinians there.
 
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I dislike what they said because, besides being stupid, it had the effect of assorted politicians and rabbis rushing to fall over themselves to tell us about it being hate speech. The country targeted by said hate speech has/continues to commit genocide by dropping vast amounts of bombs on Gaza, killing civilians, aid workers and ironically hostages alike, followed up by a starvation plan along with finding multiple ways and reasons to shoot Palestinians.
 
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I mean, if we had freedom, we wouldn't be wasting police time on this...
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Agreed. I actually think Kneecap are nasty little low forehead Nationalist throwback cunts, but that doesn't mean banning them for spouting shite is the answer.
 
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Raven said:
Yup. So, based on their argument, being anti-genocide, and criticising the perpetrators of genocide, is antisemitic.
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Corbyn pushed back on the IHRA (i.e. Israeli-sponsored) "definition" of antisemitism that would define it as exactly that.

That's why all areas of our press - especially the guardian etc. - absolutely trashed his possibility of ever getting elected.
 
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Corbyn pushed back on the IHRA (i.e. Israeli-sponsored) "definition" of antisemitism that would define it as exactly that.

That's why all areas of our press - especially the guardian etc. - absolutely trashed his possibility of ever getting elected.
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I think this is the problem though.

I know you want to tick it off as Labour being nazis, but I feel like it's more they're forcing themselves to overreact to stuff that goes near anti semitism because of the recent history of both major parties.

They're pandering to right wing media because they're fully aware that's the demographic that they're going to have to fight for at the next election.
 
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Fully disagree here @Gwadien old bean - the Terrorism legislation, the hate-speech idiocy that sees us arresting 12,000+ people a year for what they say (weaponised by what people can find on people that they 'once said' in 2013) - when we've got prisons fit to burst. That was all legislation brought in under the Blair Labour government.

This isn't new stuff. This is stuff that's been decades in the making. I'ts not recent history that's driving anything at all here.

Starmer is doing exactly what I feared he'd do - weaponise the old legislation at a far faster and more aggressive rate than that Tories ever did (they were neutered when Cameron came in and had no ideas of their own). And top that - Starmer's not an honest actor - he's a confessed zionist. His wife is Jewish, his kids are being brought up Jews - which in and of itself is a nothingburger, but they're rabid zionists. It matters not if the UK public clearly doesn't want us arming Israel and assisting them in what is very clearly genocide - we've a Prime Minister who is setting the policy, backed by an incredibly powerful pro-Israel lobby that very effectively accuses 'dissenters' of antisemitism - and he gets to give no shit if Israel is a murderous terrorist state. Even though his job is to represent the clear wishes of the public.

Tories are the authoritarian right? Yep, to a point.

Labour have a far, far far more authoritarian mindset. The left always did - history proves it. Well meaning? Yep. But misguided, authoritarian wankers. Add to that a genuine wanker of a leader - one who is "abusing" legislation to crack down on the public at a rate I thought I'd never see.

It's not just this @Gwadien. It's other stuff too (that you also apologised for and/or dismissed). This Labour government is shockingly bad.
 
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