Is It Leagal To use a crafting macro as long as you are presant at the computer?

[Juj]

More servere???

You mean you think they plan on terminating them irl?

 

[Grebneklaf]

More servere???

You mean you think they plan on terminating them irl?

He he can just see it, two big ugly french dudes showing up at your doorstep with a shutgun....

No meant if GOA was planning on being more severe towards radar users than Mythic is.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

WHile it is illegal to use macro programs, the account termination is a little rough, afaik Mythic sest all crafting skills to 1 in a similar situation and maybe hands out a 1 week suspension. Maybe if Mythic would made crafting way less boring there would be much less macro users.

 

[Teh FnoRd]

On the agreement part quoted it also says they may terminate your account when you are in breach of the agreement, not whenever they feel like it.

Read the bold part of my qoute from the EULA: in our sole discretion
Not saying it's right that it's their sole discretion, but we've all accepted it and thus have no right to whine about it...

Damn... I really don't have anything better to do at work...

 

[Grebneklaf]

Well if GOA/Mythic caught every single macro crafter and terminated them there might be less crafters and therefor more reward for the ones actually surviving to lgm

 

[Comos]

still think it's strange though, they have now clearly stated that you can macro craft as long as you aren't afk. Now for checking if you use a macro or not... if they only use that sad little server log that says when a person clicks his mouse... not realy any proof to me but still. And secondly, to make sure if you afk or not, what can they do? PM you ingame? Imo you have every right to ignore any PM, even when they state and proof they are a goa representative, the eula doesn't say that the person has to be looking at his screen. He could have easily missed the msg imo.

 

[Nxs]

I stiil dont see how it's cheating when you are situated at your computer.

As for reseting my Trading skills hmmm seems also unfair when i think of the time I have spent away from my family to gain those skills the hard way...

I understand where you are comming from here, part of the rules are in your favour, and others arn't. The punishment from Mythic for anyone caught using any form of macroing whether AFK or not is to reset the trade skills, then if a repeat offence occurs a BAN is issued.

Im sure you'd favour this approach than that of GoA (not that theres a choice here unfortunatly)

 

[Nxs]

<Insert cute Garfield avatar here>

Awwwwwwww aint he cute,

 

[dapprman]

still think it's strange though, they have now clearly stated that you can macro craft as long as you aren't afk. Now for checking if you use a macro or not... if they only use that sad little server log that says when a person clicks his mouse... not realy any proof to me but still. And secondly, to make sure if you afk or not, what can they do? PM you ingame? Imo you have every right to ignore any PM, even when they state and proof they are a goa representative, the eula doesn't say that the person has to be looking at his screen. He could have easily missed the msg imo.

Thank god some one else has actually read what GOA have said.

Guys READ the EULA completely and take it in - it only says that you must be infront of the screen while activities that normally require key presses are done. It does not say that you have to do the key presses.

This guy has done nothing wrong as far as the EULA is concerned. You might not like the thoguht of keyboard macros, and may feel they are against the spirit of the game, but they are not agaisnt the EULA and thus not cheating. Forget about the ToCs, they are guide lines only.

Personally I think |GOA have gone for a soft option, ratehr than trying to stop the real cheats. I wonder how many radar users actually get their accounts cancelled when 1.70 comes out, compared to getting their knuckles rapped.

 

[NetNifty]

Thats teh cat from Shrek 2, not Garfield

I think your account termination comes mostly under the 3rd party program part as it interfaces with the game which the EULA prohibits.

Good to see GOA is being more vigilant in their search for cheaters than Mythic, and tbh I dont see why anyone would need to macro craft, I've got 3 LGMs and an alchemist at 750ish and haven't used a macro to do even one point.

I even explaind to GOA that the only reason I used this macro was becuase my GF insisted that i put my son in some clothes and got him ready for a daytrip, which ofcoarse i did while sitting at my computer table.

Still no excuse, just because your busy doesnt give you an excuse for using a macro.

I think GOA are waiting til 1.70 and the new anti-radar stuff to crack down on teh radarers, as its much harder to detect a radarrer than a crafter who does:

Server log:

1200:01 UserX presses key 1
1200:30 Item is made
1200:31 UserX presses key 1
1201:00 Item is made
1201:01 UserX presses key 1
1201:30 Item is made
1201:31 UserX presses key 1
1202:00 Item is made
1202:01 UserX presses key 1
1202:30 Item is made

 

[Aremeriel]

Personally I think |GOA have gone for a soft option, ratehr than trying to stop the real cheats. I wonder how many radar users actually get their accounts cancelled when 1.70 comes out, compared to getting their knuckles rapped.

Well.. They should treat radar-users the same way they treat macro users (who're not breaching the EULA unless they're afk) and at least not be nicer to them...
If they go ahead and give 1 and 7 days suspensions like Mythic, at least they should've done the same with macro-users...

 

[Teh FnoRd]

This guy has done nothing wrong as far as the EULA is concerned. You might not like the thoguht of keyboard macros, and may feel they are against the spirit of the game, but they are not agaisnt the EULA and thus not cheating.

Really? He even in an earlier post admitted that he was using a 3rd party program, and that IS against the EULA.

 

[Aremeriel]

Really? He even in an earlier post admitted that he was using a 3rd party program, and that IS against the EULA.

You're right... And I'll say this now before you say anything about my post too..
The rest of my last post still apply though

 

[Olgaline]

Personally I think |GOA have gone for a soft option, ratehr than trying to stop the real cheats. I wonder how many radar users actually get their accounts cancelled when 1.70 comes out, compared to getting their knuckles rapped.

they'll get 1, 3 and 7 day bans ofc.
like the 3 day bans artifact stealers "griefers" do..

and honestly Aereth.?
you dont see how insta band is way out of proportion here ?
i'm not saying it was ok for him to macro..tbh i dont really have an opinion on that..but insta ban ? geez

 

[Appendix]

The way Mythic has implemented crafting is really the cause for all the problems with people using third-party programs. Spending countless hours pressing the same button over and over to improve a skill is just complete and total bullshit. I'm surprised that people put up with such an idiotic game design. Why didn't they make crafting skills level up by doing quests or hunting for rare drops required to craft or something similar to master levels instead? That would have removed the whole issue of people macroing completely. And so what if people macrocraft? What does Mythic win by making people sit and stare at their screens instead of playing the game and at the same time having fun? Isn't that what the game is supposed to be about? You play the game to have fun not to be bored to hell. Just because something is in the EULA doesn't mean its sensible or even right. Why GOA choses to enforce these rules is beyond me and surely a warning rather than permban should be enough.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Read the bold part of my qoute from the EULA: in our sole discretion
Not saying it's right that it's their sole discretion, but we've all accepted it and thus have no right to whine about it...

Damn... I really don't have anything better to do at work...

10. Termination
* We may terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or repeatedly infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon gameplay, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game as set forth in the player rules of conduct, which are posted at . . .

Yep did read the bold part of the quote, which refers to the part below, not the rest of the quote:

or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game as set forth in the player rules of conduct

 

[Grebneklaf]

The way Mythic has implemented crafting is really the cause for all the problems with people using third-party programs. Spending countless hours pressing the same button over and over to improve a skill is just complete and total bullshit. I'm surprised that people put up with such an idiotic game design. Why didn't they make crafting skills level up by doing quests or hunting for rare drops required to craft or something similar to master levels instead? That would have removed the whole issue of people macroing completely. And so what if people macrocraft? What does Mythic win by making people sit and stare at their screens instead of playing the game and at the same time having fun? Isn't that what the game is supposed to be about? You play the game to have fun not to be bored to hell. Just because something is in the EULA doesn't mean its sensible or even right. Why GOA choses to enforce these rules is beyond me and surely a warning rather than permban should be enough.

If you dont like crafting, then dont craft

 

[Bunnytwo]

Crafting in DAOC does suck, its sooo much better in SWG, just a shame that the attempt at RvR is SWG is utterly shite.

 

[Nxs]

Thats teh cat from Shrek 2, not Garfield

Garfield pwns Puss in boots

 

[Mojo]

I think a ban sucks TBH

I didn't even know u cud macro craft but i seem to be breaking the eula

When I trinket I connect a standard ball mouse to my laptop remove the ball after placing the cursor over my hotbar and sit and watch the tv and hold the mouse in my hand, when I hear a ding I press the button again. I am normally about 1 meter from my pc with the LCD folded down :< i would have no clue what was goin on ingame and if a GM contacted me i wud not be able to reply, guess i shud go back to the boring way now huh!

 

[Mybuddies]

Quote:

What does Mythic win by making people sit and stare at their screens instead of playing the game and at the same time having fun?


Answer: Money

 

[Aremeriel]

LOL! Nice one Mojo..

 

[Meduza]

I know I can cancel online payments for up to 6 months back (thats why i only pay 3 months at a time ) - if u can that too, I would cancel as many payments as possible if i were u. Wont get ur account back, but at least slap them back and give u some satisfaction that they at least lost something on banning u

Ohh, and if they write back etc etc to ur email, then just terminate ur email, then they cant reach u either... unless ur stupid enuf to give ur RL adress on subscription pages ofc (havent done that either, I live in Camelot on Camelot Road, hehehe)

 

[Juj]

hmmm how do you cancel payments?

 

[Meduza]

talk to ur bank say they have withdrawn cash from ur account, even tho u dont subscribe anymore

 

[NetNifty]

I think its illegal to do that as you did subscribe... and putting a fake address in is stupid as if something happens to your account GOA can't contact you via post to send new passes.

 

[Olgaline]

is it more than 8 days ago you paid ?
if not you can retract the payment..
it's under danish "købe lov" concerning online perches
and trust me your bank will follow it.

 

[Meduza]

I think its illegal to do that as you did subscribe... and putting a fake address in is stupid as if something happens to your account GOA can't contact you via post to send new passes.

what would happend ?

... besides GOA on a pwrtrip banning me for something... (guess being rude would call for a ban, if some of them ingame got pissed)

cant rly see any reason why they should have any1 RL address as long as email works.

 

[Juj]

Update on my situation...

Well there isn't one.. It seem GOA have taken the very arrogant approach of ignoring me all together..

I really hope that nobody here ever gets hasle with GOA if this is the sort of treatment you recieve for being a customer.

I had already decided that even if they did reopen my account I would donate it to the my guild as I have no wish to line the pockets of such a rude company.

Now all that remains is for me to wait for the release of World of Warcraft and enjoy seeing the number of people drasticaly dissapear from GOA's servers.

GOA should remember one thing...
Make one man happy and he will tell another.
Make one man mad and he will tell 100's.

 

[IainC]

I am the GM who dealt with this case.
For the usual reasons I'm not going to comment on the specifics.

All I will say is that the use of 3rd party programs will get your account terminated instantly.

No warnings. No 'slaps on the wrist'.

Use of the ingame /macro command is not use of a 3rd party program and is not therefore infringing.

The only other thing that I will say is that we use multiple different means to detect afk crafting and not merely server logs. We don't terminate an account unless we are 100% sure that an offence is being committed.

I will not tolerate any cheating on my servers.