Insta Mezz

[Asha]

on mlf there was a pretty decent alb guild called Wings of Griffons or something like that they pretty much won all fg fights they had there.

dedicated guild > realm differances.

when was that? 1 year ago? lol
you had a "dedicated guild" that you created yourself and yet you moved realms
hmmmmmmmmmmmm hypocrite anyone?
tbh zoy is completely over stating things, and you are completely understating them.
the truth is somewhere between.
I think it's funny that your definition of "dedicated guild" = having swedish players
Anyhow, it's very hard to keep dedicating huge chunks of your time/life to something that you can see is going to hell.

 

[cougar]

lol we spanked groove twice in a row the other night fg v fg .

really?

 

[Gordonax]

the main reason why alb dont have much power-rvr guilds on their realms, is because on the us servers when guilds decide to roll a new server, they check the statistics, hmm where can we find most to kill, and on allmost EVERY server alb has the population advantage -> they go hibb or midd. (for example when we rolled hibb on pryd they had extremely small population).

But when you rolled Excal, did you go mid for that reason? i doubt it. All I've ever heard from hardcore players over and over again is a single phrase: "why gimp yourself?". And *that's* more likely to be the reason they tend to avoid alb, because it's harder to run a hardcore 1fg gank group in Alb. Note: Not impossible, but harder.

 

[Clipse]

really?

yeah babeh go spread the news, humiliate them on IRC

 

[rvn]

when was that? 1 year ago? lol
you had a "dedicated guild" that you created yourself and yet you moved realms
hmmmmmmmmmmmm hypocrite anyone?
tbh zoy is completely over stating things, and you are completely understating them.
the truth is somewhere between.
I think it's funny that your definition of "dedicated guild" = having swedish players
Anyhow, it's very hard to keep dedicating huge chunks of your time/life to something that you can see is going to hell.

we didnt have enough dedicated players on mlf, as 2 of them quitted before we even got thru pve grind, wich caused alot of problems, also alb population there was a problem as it is on excal/alb if we were to roll albion there.

and no dedicated guild doesnt have to be a swedish guild, DH are not swedish and i would say they are a dedicated guild. it just happens to be that % there are probably more dedicated swedish guilds on exc atm.

 

[cougar]

yeah babeh go spread the news, humiliate them on IRC

omw!

 

[Clipse]

we didnt have enough dedicated players on mlf, as 2 of them quitted before we even got thru pve grind, wich caused alot of problems, also alb population there was a problem as it is on excal/alb if we were to roll albion there.

and no dedicated guild doesnt have to be a swedish guild, DH are not swedish and i would say they are a dedicated guild. it just happens to be that % there are probably more dedicated swedish guilds on exc atm.

excuses escuses. knock knock kncok anyone home. HELLO

 

[rvn]

But when you rolled Excal, did you go mid for that reason? i doubt it. All I've ever heard from hardcore players over and over again is a single phrase: "why gimp yourself?". And *that's* more likely to be the reason they tend to avoid alb, because it's harder to run a hardcore 1fg gank group in Alb. Note: Not impossible, but harder.

i went albion first, because i wanted a human-looking class. And then i saw how serious NP was (being one of the first to L50 and all on the server), and i wanted to join them. Once i got to join them on pvp i decided to delete and join them on excal too.

 

[Clipse]

i went albion first, because i wanted a human-looking class. And then i saw how serious NP was (being one of the first to L50 and all on the server), and i wanted to join them. Once i got to join them on pvp i decided to delete and join them on excal too.

yup back in the day when they roamed as 2fg !!!

 

[Tinyheals]

which you never done

 

[Gordonax]

tbh zoy is completely over stating things, and you are completely understating them.
the truth is somewhere between.

Ack, I'm going to have to agree with Asha again - that's twice in a year, which ain't right

 

[Javai]

The problem is pretty clear reading these threads, you have to be a 'dedicated' guild to compete on even terms as a Alb. The range of instants and other advantages that the other realms have mean that they can compete without such dedication.

You point to the advantages Alb groups get SoS, BoF you gotta get rps to get them, instant mezz...baseline stun these are tools that other realms get to play with by virtue of rolling their characters.

I am not gonna ask my friend who enjoys playing, for example, a wizard to spend however long in pve making a cleric so we can have an optimised group...someone forgot along the way this is a game supposedly played for fun by people who have a whole range of other things going on in their lives.

(And to stay just about on topic I would very happily give up bolt range on mezz for either any inst aoe cc or a baseline single target stun)

 

[Asha]

we didnt have enough dedicated players on mlf, as 2 of them quitted before we even got thru pve grind, wich caused alot of problems, also alb population there was a problem as it is on excal/alb if we were to roll albion there.

wasn't talking about NP hon, was talking about FC, remember that old relic?

and no dedicated guild doesnt have to be a swedish guild, DH are not swedish and i would say they are a dedicated guild. it just happens to be that % there are probably more dedicated swedish guilds on exc atm.

There have been dedicated, good rvr guilds on alb excali that didn't spawn from NP and weren't organised by country/language. It's just that you can only push a group of ppl so far before it breaks. I'll be very very shocked if there is a single "rvr" guild seriously running in Alb 1.69.

BTW this insta mez whine is BS I can't believe ppl whine about insta mez. There is alot of imbalance between realms, but it's not the insta mez. If you're loosing cause insta mez, well I discussed it with several ppl that I respect who play the class and they totally admit it's not the insta mez that makes them over powered.

 

[Konah]

nolby Mid vs nolby Hib vs nolby Alb, who wins most i wonder? i bet 10p it isnt the albs

agree dedication+fixed grps+voice comms+skill=success in any realm, dont think anyone is arguing there. the question is what happens when equally dedicated and equally skilled teams meet. the answer is: realm differences win.

extreme char grp utility (hi der healer and mana eld)
insta cc (Zzzz)
unbalanced ra's (PR GP BAoD)
unbalanced classes (hi der savage and enchanter)

etc

sure it can be done, but it aint easy. and if/when u eat dirt from an alb grp u should be ashamed tbh

 

[cougar]

*locks thread 7832453425345 about sorcs and instas.*

 

[Fluid]

The problem is pretty clear reading these threads, you have to be a 'dedicated' guild to compete on even terms as a Alb. The range of instants and other advantages that the other realms have mean that they can compete without such dedication.

You point to the advantages Alb groups get SoS, BoF you gotta get rps to get them, instant mezz...baseline stun these are tools that other realms get to play with by virtue of rolling their characters.

I am not gonna ask my friend who enjoys playing, for example, a wizard to spend however long in pve making a cleric so we can have an optimised group...someone forgot along the way this is a game supposedly played for fun by people who have a whole range of other things going on in their lives.

(And to stay just about on topic I would very happily give up bolt range on mezz for either any inst aoe cc or a baseline single target stun)

u do know albs have at least 2 baseline stunners in every decent grp yeh?

 

[Gordonax]

u do know albs have at least 2 baseline stunners in every decent grp yeh?

Three if you count two clerics and a mincer (yeah yeah I know strictly speaking mincer stun isn't baseline, but name me a mincer that doesn't have it?)

 

[Black]

lol we spanked groove twice in a row the other night fg v fg .

ofc u did, only 3 groove members online then tho

 

[Asha]

I am not gonna ask my friend who enjoys playing, for example, a wizard to spend however long in pve making a cleric so we can have an optimised group...someone forgot along the way this is a game supposedly played for fun by people who have a whole range of other things going on in their lives.

What is the difference in asking your friend to play a viable char and him asking you to play with his gimp? So you're supposed to spend all your rvr time eatting dirt so that your friend doesn't have to roll a group friendly char? Either way someone is getting the short end of the deal.

I know that it's not how it should be, every class should be viable, but it's the way it is. Wiz is viable tho

 

[Carrera]

Yeh alb is harder but at least its a challenge, always fun to beat hib / mid big mouths

 

[Clipse]

which you never done

u were the Trend setters, we are the fotm followers

 

[Javai]

u do know albs have at least 2 baseline stunners in every decent grp yeh?

Yes I do know that, how many does decent Hib group have? Decent Mid group? And in ALbion at least one of those is gonna be too damn busy healing and staying out of range to be stunning.

I won't even be greedy don't give baseline stun to Sorc give it to Cabalist even put it in spirit line rather than baseline. But give Alb casters something to defend themselves with that doesn't require you to have gained rps to get it. And please don't bother telling me I can root since when did that help one iota against being nuked to death, I will die faster than I can move away from a rooted target.

 

[Javai]

What is the difference in asking your friend to play a viable char and him asking you to play with his gimp? So you're supposed to spend all your rvr time eatting dirt so that your friend doesn't have to roll a group friendly char? Either way someone is getting the short end of the deal.

I know that it's not how it should be, every class should be viable, but it's the way it is. Wiz is viable tho

The difference is between playing characters we enjoy and playing as a optimised group.

I don't expect to win every time with non-optimised group but having the utility on chaarcters to at least compete would be nice.

 

[Asha]

no I mean what is the difference between asking your friend not to play a class he loves = no fun for 1 person
and
him asking you to group his gimp thus causing your group to lose just about every single fight? = no fun for 8 ppl

I think both situations are as bad as each other.

 

[Fluid]

Three if you count two clerics and a mincer (yeah yeah I know strictly speaking mincer stun isn't baseline, but name me a mincer that doesn't have it?)

well if i had said mincer, some1 was bound to say that it was inst spec weren't they

 

[Fluid]

Yes I do know that, how many does decent Hib group have? Decent Mid group? And in ALbion at least one of those is gonna be too damn busy healing and staying out of range to be stunning.

I won't even be greedy don't give baseline stun to Sorc give it to Cabalist even put it in spirit line rather than baseline. But give Alb casters something to defend themselves with that doesn't require you to have gained rps to get it. And please don't bother telling me I can root since when did that help one iota against being nuked to death, I will die faster than I can move away from a rooted target.

our best grp atm has 1 stunner, so ur rly not gonna win anything with the stun argument

 

[Fluid]

The difference is between playing characters we enjoy and playing as a optimised group.

I don't expect to win every time with non-optimised group but having the utility on chaarcters to at least compete would be nice.

there-in lies the majority of albs problems, most hibs won't leave dl without an optimal grp, albs jsut band into the zerg if they ain't optimal grps, like FC seems to do atm, they can't make a proper gg any more so they all just join randoms and zerg

 

[Meril]

lol we spanked groove twice in a row the other night fg v fg .

Sorry to say so .. grv havent been out with a gg in .. close to 14 days .. but i guess seing kalba the rp horny kobbie and maybe a light tank from groove makes it a groove grp ... u couldent spanke a groove gg even with main pac afk leading .. even if u manage to land mezz u'll just break it with your solo charge and demezz us all .. but again what do i know im just a stupid tank ... maybe a realm without aestun suppose to do that.. but hell .... FOR KING ARTHUR !

 

[Javai]

there-in lies the majority of albs problems, most hibs won't leave dl without an optimal grp, albs jsut band into the zerg if they ain't optimal grps, like FC seems to do atm, they can't make a proper gg any more so they all just join randoms and zerg

Well seems to me only advantage Albs got are numbers so we may as well play to our advantages Could go so far as to say optimised Alb group has 16 people in it

(Although looking at Filips thread chances are we won't even have that adavantage for much longer)

 

[rvn]

wellplayed reaver is damage dealer and interrupter in 1, one of which you hardly use. theurg pets is another advantage, which you however use.