Infil vs SB

[Glacius]

..20% from the relics helps a lot m8 ..i saw peeps went to infil spec sb spec etc.. i ll say this ..ofc u have been used with infil with no str relics..now they got em.. and yeah .they do dmg deal with it ... and btw a RR4 can do loats more dmg then a RR8 if he has maxed Mopain and the RR doesnt .

 

[Whisperess]

Since beta? And still no clue....

So - mythic employee is wrong if it suits your opinion. Hmmm......

I guess you firmly believe in the 2 second cast speed cap as well then?

Unlike you, I don't state opinions when discussing balance.

Since you are resorting to insults (weak ones at that), I'm convinced you really are grasping at straws.

But hey, here's a shovel, keep digging.

 

[Zeratuhl]

Hmmm - who to believe. Random bitter ex-godmode troll, or mythic employee.

Tough call that....

FYI! my zerk is a DWARF and FYI! he was made after LA nerf. so dont come here being a wiseass over things you dont have a clue about! :kissit:

 

[Whisperess]

so dont come here being a wiseass over things you dont have a clue about!

Wouldn't that lead to the movie "Silence of the banned"?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

I guess you firmly believe in the 2 second cast speed cap as well then?

Unlike you, I don't state opinions when discussing balance.

Since you are resorting to insults (weak ones at that), I'm convinced you really are grasping at straws.

But hey, here's a shovel, keep digging.

Ermmm - they did say they were wrong about that 2 sec cap....

You might want to keep hold of that shovel.....

 

[Indrid]

Smilewhenyousaythat:

reading over most of your posts u say the same bullshit over and over.. And seems like the only reason u think SBs is balanced is because they have a really hard time killing a overpowered class.. And u are very afraid of it getting nurfed.. u constantly say: whining wont help u, whining wont help u, infs and Sbs are the most balanced classes in the game blablabla..

Wyrds test shows, TLs shows, blablabla.. giving 2 optoins.. whine or deal with it.. yadayada.. 2.5spec points.. infils doing+damage to SBs armour is balance. but if the SB can do +damage to infils armour its not overpowered..

stop writing ur bullshit ok? give me admin so i can ban u from this thread!
U could be happy if SBs could wear cloth i bet, and only lvl 24 weapons.. and only have 1.5 spec points etc etc.. go talk ur bullshit other places plz or make your own thread.

Go do some own tests, cause if ur damage is not 300+ means ur spec/template SUCKS! cause a infil that is debuffed usually give this damage to me.. if he has right spec and template..

but instead of quotion others and constantly say that infils arent overpowered is like saying LA on zerks wasnt overpowered.. so make ur own tests..

u can hit some on me if u want.. and then try my damage vs u.. and see what u say then? and yeh, i have tried all specs.. 50sword high cs, 50sword high LA, lower sword high CS, lower sword high LA etc.. so no need to tell me to try new specs.. ive tried most of em.. and yeh, used many different styles and tried that out too..


go do your own tests and tell me ur results plz..

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Smilewhenyousaythat:

reading over most of your posts u say the same bullshit over and over.. And seems like the only reason u think SBs is balanced is because they have a really hard time killing a overpowered class.. And u are very afraid of it getting nurfed.. u constantly say: whining wont help u, whining wont help u, infs and Sbs are the most balanced classes in the game blablabla..

Wyrds test shows, TLs shows, blablabla.. giving 2 optoins.. whine or deal with it.. yadayada.. 2.5spec points.. infils doing+damage to SBs armour is balance. but if the SB can do +damage to infils armour its not overpowered..

stop writing ur bullshit ok? give me admin so i can ban u from this thread!
U could be happy if SBs could wear cloth i bet, and only lvl 24 weapons.. and only have 1.5 spec points etc etc.. go talk ur bullshit other places plz or make your own thread.

Go do some own tests, cause if ur damage is not 300+ means ur spec/template SUCKS! cause a infil that is debuffed usually give this damage to me.. if he has right spec and template..

but instead of quotion others and constantly say that infils arent overpowered is like saying LA on zerks wasnt overpowered.. so make ur own tests..

u can hit some on me if u want.. and then try my damage vs u.. and see what u say then? and yeh, i have tried all specs.. 50sword high cs, 50sword high LA, lower sword high CS, lower sword high LA etc.. so no need to tell me to try new specs.. ive tried most of em.. and yeh, used many different styles and tried that out too..


go do your own tests and tell me ur results plz..

Whine whine blah blah infils overpowered blah blah unfair blah nerf etc etc etc.

Why do i repeat the same tests, company statements etc? Because certain people persist in repeating heresay, myth and rumour - bypassing fact and goin straight to baseless unproven whine.

Infils are overpowered? Prove it.
SBs are underpowered? Prove it.

10 patches since 1.62 and no-one has been able to do either. That says something - you work it out.

Som instead of whining and losing your rag when i refer to tests others have done, how about proving your point?

 

[Jaond]

zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ

Let the kid/fotm infils belive they are not overpowerd and it's just mad skillz and tactics or something :worthy:

It's not 2.5spec points
It's not str/dex based weapons
It's not slash vuln armor

etc etc etc

A infil is just so much more better/1337/skilled in pressing a button or 2


Atleast the good infils can admit their class is much better then the other assasins, like Wittor for example.

 

[Vodkafairy]

smilewhenyousay that and indrid

can you tell me your full spec, bonuses you have to them (include rr)

then toa bonuses. ie, toa haste, toa dmg, toa style dmg

the names of your weapons and their spd and its unstyled damage cap (hit a gray mob), of both main and offhand.

then tell me your AF and haste (do you use pots? indrid use hastebot? etc)

and the styles you use

?

ill calculate some stuff to see the overtime damage your chars have, and add mine aswell.

 

[Appollo]

Atleast the good infils can admit their class is much better then the other assasins, like Wittor for example.

infils are overpowered!!!


am i good now?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ

Let the kid/fotm infils belive they are not overpowerd and it's just mad skillz and tactics or something :worthy:

It's not 2.5spec points
It's not str/dex based weapons
It's not slash vuln armor

etc etc etc

A infil is just so much more better/1337/skilled in pressing a button or 2


Atleast the good infils can admit their class is much better then the other assasins, like Wittor for example.

Unlike the l33t SBs - who despite being rr8plus and never ever being able to kill anything because they are so gimp somehow mange to make rr8plus....

 

[wittor]

infils are overpowered!!!


am i good now?

no

 

[Jaond]

infils are overpowered!!!


am i good now?

hmm no, ok all exept elajt

 

[Jaond]

Unlike the l33t SBs - who despite being rr8plus and never ever being able to kill anything because they are so gimp somehow mange to make rr8plus....

always clueles fotm scouts/infil out there to farm

chill some dude havn't seen you in game for a while now... /hug

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

always clueles fotm scouts/infil out there to farm

chill some dude havn't seen you in game for a while now... /hug

Its a big frontier

Mostly at keep sieges atm - plenty fun climbing walls at nged last night. Why don't hippies buy stealth guards?

 

[Jaond]

Its a big frontier
plenty fun climbing walls at nged last night.

htf do I climb walls? havn't played much in nf and only been at 2 keep takes walked around keep tried to climb, how do I get in?

 

[Jimmi]

infil attacks me (on my ranger):

Result:

Infils rock with relics. So do rangers. And nightshades. And hunters... and shadowblades oh and scouts hurt too xD

Stop speccing like a gimp; play like a gimp in a gimp SC suite. You might or might not be on even terms; but I dont whine when the lvl 48 BD kills me with his 1 button spamming

(oh wait I do)

no resists... check this one out instead

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

htf do I climb walls? havn't played much in nf and only been at 2 keep takes walked around keep tried to climb, how do I get in?

Really really irritating to find - climb spots are at different places on each keep as far as i can tell. So if you see me randomly walking into walls at keeps I'm playing hunt the climb point.

 

[Oli7er]

Actually you're not quite right. Intellect comes from 2 different things, raw data and knowledge that comes with experience. Which is something he lacks.

The human species has evolved where it is now, only cause of the laid-down information, stored in other mediums than the gene – the physical environment. Every human being has a random braincapacity at birth. By this I mean the ability to effectively and actively process stored information on a certain subject. A kind of a ‘hard drive and cpu’ combined. It is the ‘innovative use’ in relation between these two variables that defines the intelligence of the human being. The genetic data you inherit only defines your physical abilities. The mental abilities you develop according to the environment you live in. The social influences (instinct fuelled) define your interest aswell as your personality, and the more interested you are in a subject the more concetrated data you are able to store about your subject. Now this however gives you ground for invention. The ability to render functional connections between the stored information and your own personal visual view define intelligence.

this is a bit from my own sketchbook on a conversation i had with a friend about the conclusion i came to. i think it defines human intelligence well enough. should you care to prove me wrong, go for it

 

[wittor]

no resists... check this one out instead

well puppet is a ranger .. xD

 

[Jimmi]

well puppet is a ranger .. xD

k, pretty damn nice hit then

 

[Arnor]

The question that bugs me the most is:

Why should stealthers be balanced?

because stealthers are as near a separate game as you get in daoc, stealthers are the ones in most desperate need of balancing on a class by class basis, because that is how they fight. In normal rvr you dont have to balance classes, you can balance groups(though they dont do either )

When you rvr, you mostly fight what? oh yes, other stealthers. So tell me again why its fair that infils are overpowered?

I seriously hope your being sarcastic here mistar

 

[Appollo]

Just trying 2 keep the debate going Mr Arn0r

 

[Arus Canus]

Really really irritating to find - climb spots are at different places on each keep as far as i can tell. So if you see me randomly walking into walls at keeps I'm playing hunt the climb point.

Hehe, pm me if you find it... im still looking for it.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

because stealthers are as near a separate game as you get in daoc, stealthers are the ones in most desperate need of balancing on a class by class basis, because that is how they fight. In normal rvr you dont have to balance classes, you can balance groups(though they dont do either )

When you rvr, you mostly fight what? oh yes, other stealthers. So tell me again why its fair that infils are overpowered?

I seriously hope your being sarcastic here mistar

S'funny - the class i chose wasn't solo stealth v stealth duelist. I chose to be an assassin to knock out enemies from surprise attacks etc.

So don't give me that 'stealthwars' rubbish or 1v1 stealther garbage, because save a small number (Runolas & jaond in mid, can't remember names from hib) stealthers run in groups.

 

[tookha]

infil attacks me (on my ranger):

Result:

Infils rock with relics. So do rangers. And nightshades. And hunters... and shadowblades oh and scouts hurt too xD

Stop speccing like a gimp; play like a gimp in a gimp SC suite. You might or might not be on even terms; but I dont whine when the lvl 48 BD kills me with his 1 button spamming

(oh wait I do)

Was that really meant for me? And what would you know about my playing, SC suit and what the fuck has a BD with insta lifetap got to do with anything , if I may ask?

 

[tookha]

S'funny - the class i chose wasn't solo stealth v stealth duelist. I chose to be an assassin to knock out enemies from surprise attacks etc.

Feel free to take on my overpowered SM with your overpowered infil then, I'll enjoy it.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Feel free to take on my overpowered SM with your overpowered infil then, I'll enjoy it.

Yeah.

I don't like SMs

 

[Gesta]

Yeah.

I don't like SMs

I love them with a mez poison.

 

[Arnor]

S'funny - the class i chose wasn't solo stealth v stealth duelist. I chose to be an assassin to knock out enemies from surprise attacks etc.

So don't give me that 'stealthwars' rubbish or 1v1 stealther garbage, because save a small number (Runolas & jaond in mid, can't remember names from hib) stealthers run in groups.

Ok, i guess your specced assassin specc, not shadowtank shit? (not that it matters for infs, they can be both at the same time)

yes i will give you the stealthwars rubbish, since no matter how you twist and turn it, stealthers have the biggest odds for 1v1's, except maybe speed5 classes.