Infil vs SB

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Ok, i guess your specced assassin specc, not shadowtank shit? (not that it matters for infs, they can be both at the same time)

yes i will give you the stealthwars rubbish, since no matter how you twist and turn it, stealthers have the biggest odds for 1v1's, except maybe speed5 classes.

Post NF I've seen more classes solo or in small numbers than in OF. I've seen lots of solo SMs zipping around, and plenty of duos/trios. Yes you get groups of n00b hunters at beno docks - you know where they like to cluster. Tbh I've had more chance to assassinate, and more 1v1 or 1v2 non stealther fights in NF than I ever had in OF. Its one of the reasons i like NF - I get to be an assassin rather than a stealth duellist.

 

[Vodkafairy]

hahaha, you killed my poor greencon menta lastnight in da behn with your strong 200 dmg mainhand hits

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

hahaha, you killed my poor greencon menta lastnight in da behn with your strong 200 dmg mainhand hits

You sure?

I was at da behn for a while last night, but spent most of it on trebs as i got killed early on and was so wasn't buffed (couldn't be arsed to go back again, and once we were in the courtyard the hippies had such a good killing ground set up I'd have been back at the bindstone every 2 mins. Didn't help that we tried 2 rams and both were bugged - but no complaints). Don't remember killing a ment but if i did then I'm happy

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Infils rock with relics. So do rangers. And nightshades. And hunters... and shadowblades oh and scouts hurt too xD

correction:

Infils rock with relics. So do rangers. And nightshades. And hunters... oh and scouts hurt too xD
Shadowblades work with relics, but they surely doesent rock anywhere close to what our counterparts do with relics.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

correction:

Infils rock with relics. So do rangers. And nightshades. And hunters... oh and scouts hurt too xD
Shadowblades work with relics, but they surely doesent rock anywhere close to what our counterparts do with relics.

How do you know when you don't play you SB?

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Must be me then, everytime i meet Jox i might aswell sit, same used to be for salamurhakekeke. All it takes is for the SB to have arrogance up and im 50/50 fucked. Fighting Indriid the other night was harsh, but then he has 23xx hp's and used arrogance.

The question that bugs me the most is:

Why should stealthers be balanced?

so you think its ok since the 2-3 top SB's put up a fight with you and the rest are just wandering arpees?
infils have several viable specs, SB's have 2 semi viable and need to rely on potions, procs, charges and high rr to become anywhere near infils in power.
do you think that's fair?

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

How do you know when you don't play you SB?

why do you think it's retired moron?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

why do you think it's retired moron?

Ok logicboy.

You don't play you're Sb because you think its gimped.

New information is available which boosts SB performance.

But you don't play your SB and are basing your views on information that is how old?

So you're retired because at the time you thought you were gimped, but continue not to play and base your views on old information. So would it be right for me to call for a SB nerf based on pre 1.62 data - i'd only be following your logic process.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Ok logicboy.

You don't play you're Sb because you think its gimped.

New information is available which boosts SB performance.

But you don't play your SB and are basing your views on information that is how old?

So you're retired because at the time you thought you were gimped, but continue not to play and base your views on old information. So would it be right for me to call for a SB nerf based on pre 1.62 data - i'd only be following your logic process.

i _just_ retired a few days ago, and yes im specced after wyrds magical tests ^^
it's you that claim everyting is perfect on paper, i think it looks better on paper than ingame experiense... buy a SB and try for yourself or shut up about them pls.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

i _just_ retired a few days ago, and yes im specced after wyrds magical tests ^^
it's you that claim everyting is perfect on paper, i think it looks better on paper than ingame experiense... buy a SB and try for yourself or shut up about them pls.

Never bought someone elses account in my life on any system.

Sorry - I rely on tests not anecdote. i find them to be more reliable.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Never bought someone elses account in my life on any system.

Sorry - I rely on tests not anecdote. i find them to be more reliable.

you probably stop eating the latest "cancer warning" products aswell then.
so basically you only eat vegetables u grow in you backyard and feed a pig for a year to eat on christmas eve.... or don't you really believe in tests afterall?
i believe you trust tests more than usual in this case cos you like having a bunch of free rp running around.

ps. you cant read a book to learn how to dance, you gotta dance to learn it and you cant teach wisdom, it comes with the years.
experiense > tests

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

you probably stop eating the latest "cancer warning" products aswell then.
so basically you only eat vegetables u grow in you backyard and feed a pig for a year to eat on christmas eve.... or don't you really believe in tests afterall?
i believe you trust tests more than usual in this case cos you like having a bunch of free rp running around.

ps. you cant read a book to learn how to dance, you gotta dance to learn it and you cant teach wisdom, it comes with the years.
experiense > tests

Well talk about contradictory....

By 'tests' on cancer causing products I hope you mean something more than the latest tabloid/daily mail knee jerk reactionery scaremongering? Because i see that in the same vein as your anecdotal complaining about infils.

can you dance without being taught/ and to be taught requires some form of hard and fast information that is constant and verifiable - whether that be from a book or from someone who has read/wrote the book. Likewise if you thinks theres a problem you have to have something at its base to prove it - from which you can apply your experience.

And wisdom is the experience to apply knowledge - thats got to come from somewhere.

 

[Vodkafairy]

have you actually seen damage over time comparisons from infils and sb's asp?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

have you actually seen damage over time comparisons from infils and sb's asp?

Funnily enough just looked at something wyrds posted on LA/DW spec dps and toa +%style bonuses. Its over on vn.

 

[Arnor]

Post NF I've seen more classes solo or in small numbers than in OF. I've seen lots of solo SMs zipping around, and plenty of duos/trios. Yes you get groups of n00b hunters at beno docks - you know where they like to cluster. Tbh I've had more chance to assassinate, and more 1v1 or 1v2 non stealther fights in NF than I ever had in OF. Its one of the reasons i like NF - I get to be an assassin rather than a stealth duellist.

and your specc?



oh and to your last reply, what was teh conclusion of the thread you recently read on vn?

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Well talk about contradictory....

By 'tests' on cancer causing products I hope you mean something more than the latest tabloid/daily mail knee jerk reactionery scaremongering? Because i see that in the same vein as your anecdotal complaining about infils.

can you dance without being taught/ and to be taught requires some form of hard and fast information that is constant and verifiable - whether that be from a book or from someone who has read/wrote the book. Likewise if you thinks theres a problem you have to have something at its base to prove it - from which you can apply your experience.

And wisdom is the experience to apply knowledge - thats got to come from somewhere.

you are missing the point, looking for ways to pick appart something everyone says instead of trying to read and understand what they try to say is obviously your skill, it don't impress me much tho.

 

[Vodkafairy]

Funnily enough just looked at something wyrds posted on LA/DW spec dps and toa +%style bonuses. Its over on vn.

link?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

you are missing the point, looking for ways to pick appart something everyone says instead of trying to read and understand what they try to say is obviously your skill, it don't impress me much tho.

Oh I know what you're saying. You're saying that you hold an opinion, that you have nothing but a limited personal perspective on which you base that opinion, that you are not willing to alter that opinion and that you have no absolute basis (tests etc) which substantiate your opinion.

I'm saying that you need to consider your opinion may be wrong.

 

[Jaapi]

I'm saying that you need to consider your opinion may be wrong.

Works both ways.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Works both ways.

So convince me.

 

[Helme]

So convince me.

People have numerous times with screenshots etc. but you deny it and say thiere edited just proves how one minded you really are.

 

[Grimmen]

People have numerous times with screenshots etc. but you deny it and say thiere edited just proves how one minded you really are.

Its hard to convince someone that doesnt wanna be convinced.

 

[Vodkafairy]

So convince me.

i asked for info on your char, but you didnt reply. will gladly do the calculations for you, but you dont want to be proved wrong i think.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

People have numerous times with screenshots etc. but you deny it and say thiere edited just proves how one minded you really are.

And i repeat:

A screenshot without context of what is most likely an exception, anomoly or rare incident is not conclusive of anything. How many screenies have you seen, and compare that to how many fights have occurred? What kind of representative sample is it do you think? 0.001%? Less?

Were someone to post a screenshot of a SB pulling a big hit on them, would you accept it as grounds for a nerf? Didn't think so. You'd want context, controlled tests, data, backup etc.

So why is it good enough to call for another class to be nerfed but not your own? Bias non?

 

[Teheron]

Oh I know what you're saying. You're saying that you hold an opinion, that you have nothing but a limited personal perspective on which you base that opinion, that you are not willing to alter that opinion and that you have no absolute basis (tests etc) which substantiate your opinion.

I'm saying that you need to consider your opinion may be wrong.

So convince me.

why do we(sbs) need to convince you that u are wrong, but you dont have to convince us that we are wrong? u just simply say that we should consider/accept that we are/can be wrong but you on the other hand dont take your own advise.. so what im saying is try and keep an open mind about what we are saying? is so easy to just take the line that you have taken and just deny anything we say with the simple words: prove it.

Just because we dont have done tests like wyrd does doenst meen that there isnt an issue, and dont dismiss experience from players as unreliable "evidence" because from experience you can learn alot.

Most ppl that have ever tried both sbs and infils would say that sbs need a boost in one way or another, sure sbs can pwn infs, sbs can out damage infs. But if you try and look at the bigger picture, ie dont base oppinions on rare fights but on fights over a long period of time then the picture is pretty clear. random infil>>>random sb.

And tbh from seeing your posts i cant belive that you acually can be that narrowminded as u pretend to be.. if u truly are then you are far worse then sbs defending la back in the old days...

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Most ppl that have ever tried both sbs and infils would say that sbs need a boost in one way or another, sure sbs can pwn infs, sbs can out damage infs. But if you try and look at the bigger picture, ie dont base oppinions on rare fights but on fights over a long period of time then the picture is pretty clear. random infil>>>random sb. ...

Repeatedly saying it does not make it true. Proclaiming that 'most' people think, or 'everyone knows' does not make it true.

You are entitled to believe it - but this too does not make it true.

Repeated use of simple rhetoric and linguistic tools may continue the myth and rumour - but again it does not make it true.

 

[Summoner]

People might call you narrowminded, inexperienced or braindead.

But I'm starting to believe if I really can call you a lier, because if a person blindly believe the shit that is comming out of his mouth, wouldn't that just make him stupid?


-Inwe-

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

People might call you narrowminded, inexperienced or braindead.

But I'm starting to believe if I really can call you a lier, because if a person blindly believe the shit that is comming out of his mouth, wouldn't that just make him stupid?


-Inwe-

I would call you frustrated and having to resort to cheap puerile tactics.

 

[Framfall]

Repeatedly saying it does not make it true. Proclaiming that 'most' people think, or 'everyone knows' does not make it true.

You are entitled to believe it - but this too does not make it true.

Repeated use of simple rhetoric and linguistic tools may continue the myth and rumour - but again it does not make it true.

You just described 99% of your posts.

Wanna marry me?

 

[Summoner]

I would call you frustrated and having to resort to cheap puerile tactics.

You're like a child who've just been told that Santa doesn't exist.
As fraquile as you are you totaly deny any facts layed infront of you, because you've gotten to love the cuddly person you have been led to believe really is out there.


-Inwe-