Important BW news

[Deadmanwalking]

Its sick isnt it ?

 

[S-Gray]

How would you go about getting a Card / and / the Subscription using a cheque ?

My mates been a pain in the eff'en arse now, he wont order anything online for me, :/

 

[Happy Go Lucky]

I think what shocko's trying to say is that you need a income for something thats subscription based, as opposed to a once off payment. Good luck with the job hunt

Also I think redeeming reward vouchers at web shop will be offered eventually

 

[d_g]

Originally posted by Skyler
politer responses wouldnt hurt either,

Moaning freeloaders out already
Follow the signs until you reach the door with Fuck Off free loaders on it

Seems theres more moaning about the moaning. Anyway, people are being asked to pay for what they already got for free, not to mention genuine concerns (e.g. servers being busy & service) regarding major changes to a service they frequently use/enjoy. There's only going to be more of it when paying customers (inevitably) experience things they don't like.

I'd expect Jolt & any other real alternatives to go p2p at some point. For me £12pa is peanuts and the quantity & quality of BW servers makes it well worth it for me, though I notice "introductory offer" and wonder what the prices might be next year. As far as there not being busy servers, IMHO this may or may not happen but none of us will be excluded from any free public servers just because we've paid BW

When will the current RTCW servers be going private, and how many (if any) are expected to remain public? Will rented Barryservers (both current and those rented in near future) that have paid extra for the public option be public, or only available to BW subscribers?

 

[bigfoot]

When will the current RTCW servers be going private, and how many (if any) are expected to remain public?

Over the coming days we will be sorting the process and dates of the move, we will give people some advanced warning through Server Messages and other means. In all likelihood none of them will remain public (i.e. playable on by anyone who sees them in a browser), most likely all of them will be behind the subs system.

Will rented Barryservers (both current and those rented in near future) that have paid extra for the public option be public, or only available to BW subscribers?

Clan Servers will not be touched by the Public Server move, they will continue to operate as they do now in pretty much every way, that is to say you will not have to logon/login to play on them, you can just stroll on them if they are public ones or enter the server pass if they are passworded.

We may introduce a Subscriber only Clan Server (at a huge discount) some point in the future but not at the moment.

 

[d_g]

cheers

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by old.DaveGod


Seems theres more moaning about the moaning.

Er, its a statement, not moaning

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Trebz


Ok so im biased, but if i had no involvement whatsoever with BW i would pay the £12 for hosting, mysql & PHP, great price, quality service and DBs..... what more could a man want.

What, I bought DBs...bit expensive

 

[throdgrain]

Ok first thing, Im going to pay. £12 aint a big deal. But I would just like to say it would have been a much better idea to make the servers and the standard of the back up really good first before asking for money, rather than saying give us money and we may improve. As has been said before, BW has been treading water for a while now, lets hope all these 12 quids can buy 'em a pair of pajama bottoms to tie up and make a float

 

[kanonfodda]

Just signed up

£24 for full access barrysworld is good, but to finally get a mySql database, I would pay just for that!

 

[old.charliealpha]

sod that,

I pay for my ISP and I pay for my games and now I have to pay for server use?

not looking good.

 

[Deebs]

Originally posted by old.charliealpha
sod that,

I pay for my ISP and I pay for my games and now I have to pay for server use?

not looking good.

And I pay for my car and I pay for my petrol and I pay for the privilege of using it on the roads via TAX.

The market is changing, it is a fact. The bandwidth costs are high, the server kit costs are high. We need revenue to pay for these things.

If you have a Game Reward card then subs = 12 quid
if you buy a Game Reward card for 2 quid then subs = 12 quid = 14 quid.
If you don't buy a Game Reward card then subs = 24 quid.

Annual price not monthly so it's not that bad.

 

[Deebs]

Originally posted by Embattle


What, I bought DBs...bit expensive

Oi, I am worth every penny

 

[old.charliealpha]

Originally posted by DBs


And I pay for my car and I pay for my petrol and I pay for the privilege of using it on the roads via TAX.

The market is changing, it is a fact. The bandwidth costs are high, the server kit costs are high. We need revenue to pay for these things.

If you have a Game Reward card then subs = 12 quid
if you buy a Game Reward card for 2 quid then subs = 12 quid = 14 quid.
If you don't buy a Game Reward card then subs = 24 quid.

Annual price not monthly so it's not that bad.

ah but you choose to drive a car, I don't. Because they cost too much to run. Its not like I need a BW server to get me to work either

I appreciate the market is changing but with a company as big as Game/EB I would of thought that hardware costs wouldn't be that much of a problem, that you had to charge kids and people for the privelage of playing on them. Its not like buying h/w in bulk is as expensive as it once was. And where exactly will our money go? Will we have access to accounts or will there be an annual report? How do we know that the money isn't going to be ill spent? No offence, but it wouldn't be the first time BW would run the risk of going under again.

Sure, you'll see a steady income from the subs but you'll see a drop in actual players as most of them will defect to Jolt.

I fork out enough cash per month on my connection, games and upgrades and now I have to pay to play?

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by throdgrain
lets hope all these 12 quids can buy 'em a pair of pajama bottoms to tie up and make a float

LMAO..

yet I feel a pang of nostalgia for the days of inflated pyjamas in the school pool

On the subscription note. Servers will obviously get better due to the reduced number of random players and those who cant afford £12 a year, but I would like to see some added benefit from the subscription. I want to feel like I belong to a community

//edit

Just got the support email....pretty good deal imo

+ I can easily afford it so i'm off to be a paying member

 

[old.TheGaffer]

I fork out enough cash per month on my connection, games and upgrades and now I have to pay to play?

BW doesn't see any money from the charge you pay your ISP, BW might see some revenue from the game if you buy it at GAME/EB (but they might not). What's wrong with paying the people who supply you with the service you use? Hardware and bandwidth aren't cheap, neither are the wages for the people who keep BW going. As for Jolt, they're now the last big free service in the UK, there's actually no reason for them to stay that way, and it actually makes a lot of sense for them to go subs as quickly as they can - they're a business as well, after all.

 

[*Kornholio*]

Originally posted by old.DaveGod
I'd expect Jolt & any other real alternatives to go p2p at some point.

Jolt aren't going p2p (or so they say) coz they make enough dosh at the moment on clan servers & adsl... they're pretty adamant at the moment about not going the p2p route...

 

[Deebs]

Originally posted by old.charliealpha


ah but you choose to drive a car, I don't. Because they cost too much to run. Its not like I need a BW server to get me to work either

I appreciate the market is changing but with a company as big as Game/EB I would of thought that hardware costs wouldn't be that much of a problem, that you had to charge kids and people for the privelage of playing on them. Its not like buying h/w in bulk is as expensive as it once was. And where exactly will our money go? Will we have access to accounts or will there be an annual report? How do we know that the money isn't going to be ill spent? No offence, but it wouldn't be the first time BW would run the risk of going under again.

Sure, you'll see a steady income from the subs but you'll see a drop in actual players as most of them will defect to Jolt.

I fork out enough cash per month on my connection, games and upgrades and now I have to pay to play?

Accounts are available. Game Group PLC publishes those if I am not mistaken. And due to us having shareholders the money is well spent else there would be trouble.

If people decide not to subscribe that is their choice. We won't force them. As for hardware costs, even buying bulk they are still not cheap considering we have to buy topend kit just to run bloated server code which is a cpu hog. Anyway, I hope you have fun over at BY or Jolt, I personally believe what we are offering is a good deal (there are still other things coming out which will be part of subs with no price increase.)

 

[natrat]

Originally posted by old.charliealpha


I fork out enough cash per month on my connection, games and upgrades and now I have to pay to play?

If you'd answered the multitude of emails I'd sent to your email account you have listed on the liaison website (as you were threewave liaison) you would have realised you would have got get subs for free.

 

[old.charliealpha]

Originally posted by legendario


LMAO..

yet I feel a pang of nostalgia for the days of inflated pyjamas in the school pool

On the subscription note. Servers will obviously get better due to the reduced number of random players and those who cant afford £12 a year, but I would like to see some added benefit from the subscription. I want to feel like I belong to a community

agreed, the lack of players would increase the bandwidth available per player but with a various number of free GSP's out there with an admittedly better state of network I can't really see this becoming a good move. What about the younger kids that can't afford broadband and are still on modems? How are they going to afford to play? They'll find other GSP's to play on. Thats not really looking after the customer.

Even gamesdomain are forced to run non-subscription servers so that they keep players interested in their products. Paying £24 with no guarantee that network connectivity will get better after what seems to be an enternity of bad connections and extreme lag seems to be a bit of a long shot. Surely there are better ways to make money? What about selling BW based products? A better way to buy games online? Stretch out to consoles and other PC equipment and the subscription thing won't be needed. I'd rather buy my kit from BW than OC or Scan Then I too would feel like I was part of a community.

 

[old.charliealpha]

Originally posted by natrat



If you'd answered the multitude of emails I'd sent to your email account you have listed on the liaison website (as you were threewave liaison) you would have realised you would have got get subs for free.

Hi, that email address is correct. I haven't received anything apart from the support emails. And its nothing to do with the fact that I can get free access, I'm not that shallow, I'm just trying to get my head round the whole P2P thing. Its not a cheap thing to have a computer these days, there always seems to be something to pay for.

 

[legendario]

I wonder how many of these people (who wont pay have) a £30+ a month gym membership or pay to use other sports facilities?

Or a pay £50 a month to use a mobile phone for pointless calls to their mates on an overpriced piece of crap mobile phone?

For £1 a month (with game card) your getting a damn good deal.

Think about the money you spend on shite and think of the amount of times you play on barrysworld servers. I'm off to sign up...

 

[old.TheGaffer]

What about the younger kids that can't afford broadband and are still on modems?

Oh come on. £12. A year??? If they can't afford that, they can't afford the games in first place


Thats not really looking after the customer.

But they're NOT customers. You have to have a relationship where there's an exchange - giving stuff away isn't an exchange.


What about selling BW based products?

Tried it, didn't work.


A better way to buy games online? Stretch out to consoles and other PC equipment and the subscription thing won't be needed.

Yes it would. Look, the lessons of the last couple of years show that. Advertising didn't work. BW are part of GAME so they already sell games, consoles and some PC equipment, but there isn't a connection between buying stuff from GAME and using BW. You might get all warm and fuzzy about GAME and think, ooh they're running my favourite GSP so I'll buy my games from them, but chances are most people won't. So BW has to pay its own way.

 

[old.charliealpha]

Originally posted by DBs


Accounts are available. Game Group PLC publishes those if I am not mistaken. And due to us having shareholders the money is well spent else there would be trouble.

If people decide not to subscribe that is their choice. We won't force them. As for hardware costs, even buying bulk they are still not cheap considering we have to buy topend kit just to run bloated server code which is a cpu hog. Anyway, I hope you have fun over at BY or Jolt, I personally believe what we are offering is a good deal (there are still other things coming out which will be part of subs with no price increase.)

I conceed about the money going to a good home. Just want to make sure that it's going to be worth it. I'll still play on BW and I'll probably end up paying for subscription because, as I said before, BW has always had my support. Its a big move for everyone going P2P. We all knew this day would arrive and although its not a big cost, its still an extra cost on top of everything else. I guess time will tell

I'd still prefer to buy all my kit from BW though. That I would pay for..

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by old.charliealpha

What about the younger kids that can't afford broadband and are still on modems? How are they going to afford to play? They'll find other GSP's to play on. Thats not really looking after the customer.

They are provided with a free service so they aren't really customers.

I see your point but most kids who have a pc, an internet connection and a couple of consoles are usually spoilt brats whos parents will pay anyway. If they can't pay, they could just be resourceful and save their dinner money ... the tubby ones will lose weight aswell....bonus.

 

[xane]

For those worried about the £14, I think you should fire up KaZaa and download Britney's latest piece of crap and you've saved yourself enough to offset

 

[old.charliealpha]

Originally posted by old.TheGaffer


Oh come on. £12. A year??? If they can't afford that, they can't afford the games in first place

It was only an example, there are other people out there who don't have broadband and can't afford to buy games. But, they can get their games given to them from their mates who download them for them. Still doesn't mean that they can afford to pay the subscription.

But they're NOT customers. You have to have a relationship where there's an exchange - giving stuff away isn't an exchange.

fair enough, I guess that good faith alone won't run a business. I'm still stuck in the halycon days of free services and a tight knit community

Tried it, didn't work.

So if I was prepared to pay up to £25 for a t-shirt that looked good with a decent design that I wasn't afraid to wear outside of my room then you wouldn't consider that? Theres alot of money to be made in t-shirts alone. What about custom boxes? Posters or key fobs?

take a look at www.thepeoplesbureau.com. Its a great site selling nothing more than good design. Incoporate that with the success of BW popularity and cha-ching! Lexus all round.

Yes it would. Look, the lessons of the last couple of years show that. Advertising didn't work. BW are part of GAME so they already sell games, consoles and some PC equipment, but there isn't a connection between buying stuff from GAME and using BW. You might get all warm and fuzzy about GAME and think, ooh they're running my favourite GSP so I'll buy my games from them, but chances are most people won't. So BW has to pay its own way.

Well, thats a shame. Perhaps make the ability to buy h/w and games etc a little more apparent on the site? Good site design can often lead to increased revenue. I read the reviews at BW but I rarely click the 'buy this game' link. I never get warm and fuzzy about Game

 

[legendario]

if only game would reduce their prices

I would honestly buy a game from a highstreet store if they were only a few pounds more expensive (i.e. delivery price from the web)...but I find their prices are laughable...usually)

 

[old.TheGaffer]

But, they can get their games given to them from their mates who download them for them. Still doesn't mean that they can afford to pay the subscription.

So what you're saying is - BW should keep it free so people can play, for nothing, with games they paid nothing for? Oookaay.


So if I was prepared to pay up to £25 for a t-shirt that looked good with a decent design that I wasn't afraid to wear outside of my room then you wouldn't consider that?

Delightful high quality smiley-centric merchandise has been available for some time - it doesn't pay the bills.


Perhaps make the ability to buy h/w and games etc a little more apparent on the site?

You KNOW what would have happened if EB had started to slap buy buttons all over BW from day one. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[Trem]

I don't mind paying but the only thing what is gonna stop me is if non of my CS mates pay, I wanna play with my buddies, not some rich yuppie who can freely splash out £2 a month like its going out of fashion

I'm gonna gauge the reply's on here and if people like Throddy, Leggie, 1tchy and the other mates I've made are going to pay then so will I.