Im going deaf!

[Naetha]

I have permanent tinnitus in both ears, and I'm only 23. Most of the time its not too bad, but when I'm trying to get off to sleep, or its quiet, it can drive me mad. I also have real problems understanding people on Teamspeak (i.e. when I can't lipread as well) or when there's a lot of background noise.
I first noticed it after a Machine Head gig about 2 years ago when I was right up against speaker stack. Often in clubs, its not the music in the club that can damage your hearing, but people shouting directly in your ear to be heard.

Losing your hearing isn't worth not wearing earplugs.

 

[Rediknight]

hmmm, i saw Machine Head in '97 at Brixton Academy, supported by Mary Beats Jane and Meshugga and i was alright...

YOU LIE!!!



im kidding i would imagine permenant damage is harsh but, and with no disrespect to you or your gene pool, you were obviously more susceptable to the noise than i was.

As i pointed out above i've been involved in loudness a hell of a lot and suffered no ill effects at all - there is a real range of how each persons body copes with different stimulus. Who knows, maybe one day it'll clear up - until we can see into the future no-one knows how our lives will pan out and our body will find new ways to heal and cope with damage/injury...

 

[tris-]

Went to a gig and now i have this constant tone in one ear and it feels like there is pressure on the inside (its hard to describe) , i thought it might go away overnight but it hasnt. I was pretty close to the front, i been to quite a few events and never had something like this before.
Already sorted a doctors appointment, but should i be worried :S

i got this after a night in a club, well about 4 hours on stage next to t'speakers. lasted about 3 days before it went altogether.

 

[eggy]

4 hours on stage next to t'speakers.

If you were standing 4 hours next to speakers without earplugs, you are incredibly ignorant.

 

[tris-]

If you were standing 4 hours next to speakers without earplugs, you are incredibly ignorant.

i knew it would be a problem, it ws more like i dont care. im happy go lucky.

 

[Rediknight]

That's the spirit!!

All you people moaning about looking after your ears/heart(s)/lungs/kidneys/uvula/clackersack/chin etc - you's all gonna make beautiful corpses when you go... I intend to wear mine out in a relentless persuit of furthering the evolvement of mankind and it's ability to withstand the harshest of environments

My great, great grandkids will go dining in a volcano for fun, wearing speedos, jus cos they can haha!

 

[eggy]

i knew it would be a problem, it ws more like i dont care. im happy go lucky.

Then you're stupid, not ignorant.

It's not like drink/drugs here...you don't get any extra kick out of damaging your hearing, it's just idiotic.

 

[tris-]

Then you're stupid, not ignorant.

It's not like drink/drugs here...you don't get any extra kick out of damaging your hearing, it's just idiotic.

im stupid, not really. i coud of just as easily been glassed in the face and lost my eye sight, walked into the road and got run over while i was drunkardly stumbling about, been attacked on the way home and recieved brain damage, caused my self liver cerosis, had a fit from flashing lights vomited and drowned in it etc...

doesnt it depend on the way you view life? ANYTHING can happen to you, and if you just worry about them then wheres the fun times?
thats the way i am. i dont worry about anything, death doesnt bother, people i know dieing, anything. you are only alive if you aint dead, so why not enjoy it?

i can go on and on. i don think its right you can call me stupid for that, but hey it was a choice i made and i suppose you can say what you want about it i dont see why it should concern you so much if i care about loss of hearing .

 

[eggy]

im stupid, not really. i coud of just as easily been glassed in the face and lost my eye sight, walked into the road and got run over while i was drunkardly stumbling about, been attacked on the way home and recieved brain damage, caused my self liver cerosis, had a fit from flashing lights vomited and drowned in it etc...

doesnt it depend on the way you view life? ANYTHING can happen to you, and if you just worry about them then wheres the fun times?
thats the way i am. i dont worry about anything, death doesnt bother, people i know dieing, anything. you are only alive if you aint dead, so why not enjoy it?

There is a big difference here. You're talking about random occurences that could happen. I'm talking about something you can prevent. There is no benefit in any way from not protecting your ears. Fun times? How is deliberately damaging your hearing fun?

It's like chopping your finger off because you "don't care". It's plainly idiotic with no benefit to anyone.

i dont see why it should concern you so much if i care about loss of hearing .

Because I have seen many friends, musicians and general concert-goers as "care-free" as yourself develop lingering ear problems, constant ringing in their ears, all the way up to complete deafness.

Sure, at the time they "didn't care". But I can tell you for sure, they do now.

 

[Blackjack]

immortal til proven otherwise

As proven many times immortallity always brings more sorrow than than happiness. I'd rather die at 70 and people say, he was a good and wise man.
than live forever as an ignorant fool.

 

[tris-]

There is a big difference here. You're talking about random occurences that could happen. I'm talking about something you can prevent.

can you say with 100% TOTAL FACT, that my hearing WILL be permanently damaged from that event? no, and neither could i. i dont care about what may happen, if i know for a fact it will and i dont like the thing that will happen i will avoid it.

basically, i dont bother worrying about something that may or may not happen. what if you worry all your life and that something doesnt happen? you wased time worrying. time that could of been spent doing something you enjoyed.

its like this -
worry and it happens
worry and it doesnt happen
dont worry and it doesnt happen
dont worry and it does happen

i take the last two. i dont do worrying, its a waste of time imo .

 

[Rhori]

As proven many times immortallity always brings more sorrow than than happiness. I'd rather die at 70 and people say, he was a good and wise man.
than live forever as an ignorant fool.

but what if you die as an ignorant fool when your 70?

 

[Rediknight]

Eggy & blackjack, are you locked in a basement and never got to go out and see the world, only being fed fishheads once a fortnight?

Yeah, i spend my life doing dumb stuff out of choice - that makes me carefree, not stupid. Please get it right but then again, when are you ever going to know what it feels like to go and stage dive into a pit full of nutters without fearing for your limbs? How will you know what it's like to completely open yourself up to a sound, without fear of it damaging your ears? Just stepping out of your door can be fatal, in fact someone will probably produce stats to explain why you'll DEFINATELY die by being run over, but i don't believe in that train of thought.

If it's a possibility that me stepping out the door this morning will be my last step, i want to make every single step in between now and then as much of an experience as possible. I've been snowboarding, i ride my bike, i jump my bike, i've been waiting for a chance to go bungee jumping again, i've been parasailing, i've been abseiling and climbing. I've white water rafted through Austria, Germany and Switzerland. I've canoed across most of Europe. I've been powerboating, i've sat in a RUF doing 196mph on a motorway, i've wrestled in front of 1600 people, i've broken my ribs bridge diving...

If i spent my life worrying about the adverse affects to my health of any one of them, i'd lock myself away and never come out again - and just like smoking, all were my choice. I didn't HAVE to do them, but i did and HOLY SHIT i had a lot of fun!!!!

I'd hate to be someone afraid of the slightest danger to my health - a lot of people understimate the human bodies ability to adapt and repair, and because of that miss out on a lot of amazing shit in this one life we get

See you on the darkside, with big black lungs, cuts grazes and scars, an empty wallet and a big smile

 

[tris-]

Rediknight, will you marry me?

 

[Rediknight]

whats your bewbies like? hahaha!

 

[tris-]

i have man boobs from imbalanced hormones drinking alcohol!

 

[Rediknight]

ahh, see - probably look good next to my stab wounds and my iron lung

 

[eggy]

can you say with 100% TOTAL FACT, that my hearing WILL be permanently damaged from that event?

Yes.

 

[tris-]

how can you? what is your qualifications in hearing difficulties etc. have you performed tests on me while i was sleeping?

im not tryin to be a dick, but you cannot say 100% fact i will develop problems. there is no way you can say that.

 

[eggy]

Eggy & blackjack, are you locked in a basement and never got to go out and see the world, only being fed fishheads once a fortnight?

No, I go out far far too much. I spend 50% of my income on gigs, partying and associated goods and services.

Yeah, i spend my life doing dumb stuff out of choice - that makes me carefree, not stupid. Please get it right

You are not understanding what I'm saying.

I'm not talking about drugs, drink, smoking, going out. I'm talking simply and purely about purposely damaging your hearing, which is pointless.

but then again, when are you ever going to know what it feels like to go and stage dive into a pit full of nutters without fearing for your limbs?

Do it all the time. As I say, I'm not talking about anything else apart from hearing loss.

How will you know what it's like to completely open yourself up to a sound, without fear of it damaging your ears?

Been there, done that. Which you can still do exactly the same with decent ear plugs. Your brain adjusts to the level, it will sound 10 times better.

Just stepping out of your door can be fatal, in fact someone will probably produce stats to explain why you'll DEFINATELY die by being run over, but i don't believe in that train of thought.

Again, I'm talking purely about hearing.

If it's a possibility that me stepping out the door this morning will be my last step, i want to make every single step in between now and then as much of an experience as possible. I've been snowboarding, i ride my bike, i jump my bike, i've been waiting for a chance to go bungee jumping again, i've been parasailing, i've been abseiling and climbing. I've white water rafted through Austria, Germany and Switzerland. I've canoed across most of Europe. I've been powerboating, i've sat in a RUF doing 196mph on a motorway, i've wrestled in front of 1600 people, i've broken my ribs bridge diving...

Yes and AGAIN, I'm talking purely about hearing.

I'd hate to be someone afraid of the slightest danger to my health - a lot of people understimate the human bodies ability to adapt and repair, and because of that miss out on a lot of amazing shit in this one life we get

So would I, good thing I do everything I can to enjoy my life.

See you on the darkside, with big black lungs, cuts grazes and scars, an empty wallet and a big smile

Again, I am talking purely about hearing.

 

[Blackjack]

Yes.

I agree with you Eggy, i really do.
But i doubt there is anything you or i could say to make them realize this.
Let them destroy their hearing if they so desperately want to prove that they don't need to take care of it.

 

[eggy]

how can you? what is your qualifications in hearing difficulties etc. have you performed tests on me while i was sleeping?

im not tryin to be a dick, but you cannot say 100% fact i will develop problems. there is no way you can say that.

I did a degree in Audio Engineering and Acoustics. Everyone's bodies are different, but ears are simply not designed to withstand sustained noise of any high level. Our ears haven't developed much at all over the last few millenia. They haven't developed because of rock concerts.

Your inner ear will 100% be damaged by 4 hours standing next to a speaker stack.

Around 2.5 minutes at 110dB will cause permanent hearing damage. The difference in this value between varying people's ear shapes etc is probably about 20 sec. So let's say between 2 and 3 minutes.

4 hours of a similar level will also.

Ears need time to repair. Your inner ear hairs need time to rectify after a prolonged 'shock' of sound.

You seem to think I'm talking about being careful in life. I'm not. I am far from careful, I do and have done a lot of things which are bad for my health. However, they all provide "up" sides to them, at least temporarily. Choosing to damage your hearing is not comparable. It is something that isn't taught to kids, and really really should be.

 

[tris-]

we know what your saying, stop trying to be the fucking "i am more clever than you, so you dont understand me" smart ass guy. that was at bjack by the way

 

[Olgaline]

actually he can, as of yet, damage to your hearing cannot be repaired, however chronic i wouldnt worry to much, sounds like you simply over stresed your ears "so to speak" and the ringing in your ears will subside and the pain will go away, not over night tho, might take some days even up to 2 weeks until the ringing is compleatly gone, and ye you proberbly will suffer some minute damage, but nothing that you'll be able to notice, unless you keep exposing your hearing to the same stress levels time and time again, "like musicians do"

however if it's still there after a week or so, i'd deff, see an ear doctor about it,

 

[eggy]

we know what your saying, stop trying to be the fucking "i am more clever than you, so you dont understand me" smart ass guy. that was at bjack by the way

I'm not trying to be clever. This is something I know about, and I am trying to help you and others protect their hearing. It is a serious issue which people tend to laugh about.

In 30 years when you can't hear your children/grandchildren laughing, you'll thank me.

 

[Rediknight]

Well, i still stand by my claim that i have perfect (or as near to perfect as i am allowed, being in the state i am ) hearing, despite all the beatings they've taken over the years

If you want to wear earplugs at a gig, and in my opinion miss out on the entire sensation, then feel free - why bother going, just buy the live CD instead? Whatever you say, you cannot possibly make such a rash claim as everyone WILL suffer from hearing difficulties when everyone is different? Just cos you happen to suffer from loud noises doesn't mean i will too, no matter how much of a hammering they get.

My nan used to pull chips from boiling oil with her bare f*ckin hands dude!!! I couldn't do that, i know my flesh would boil off of my bones, but she spent most of her life in manual labour during the war working in a munitions factory and could do it without even flinching. Obviously she didn't sit with her fist in it for an hour or anything, but i watched her pluck out chips, regularly, just to see if they were done.

EVERYONE is different, to come onto a forum and start proclaiming that if anyone doesn't wear earplugs to a concert they WILL damage their hearing - that's just plain...


well, ignorant really

 

[tris-]

I'm not trying to be clever. This is something I know about, and I am trying to help you and others protect their hearing. It is a serious issue which people tend to laugh about.

In 30 years when you can't hear your children/grandchildren laughing, you'll thank me.

im was talkint o bjack when he said we wont understand what your saying

 

[Blackjack]

Eggy & blackjack, are you locked in a basement and never got to go out and see the world, only being fed fishheads once a fortnight?

No i'm not locked in a basement.
I'm out using my body atleast 6 days a week. Yes football could hurt me, but it's a calculated risk and i wear the protection need to, to minimize the chances of injury. I have fun and i act stupid.
There is a difference between taking care of your body and swearing off anything that could potentially hurt you.
I went to a place with loud music without protecting my ears and i'm paying for it now. I must admit i'm very surprised about some peoples attitude about this.

 

[tris-]

im suprised at yours. i mean, you actually care? oomg i cant believe it.

yoiu see, not everyone is the same. you care, someone else doesnt

 

[eggy]

If you want to wear earplugs at a gig, and in my opinion miss out on the entire sensation, then feel free

Ears adjust to sound levels. Your brain will think the gig is the same volume after 2 mins of wearing decent plugs. You will lose NOTHING from the experience. In fact, because everything is much clearer, you get a much more euphoric sensation with them in.

why bother going, just buy the live CD instead?

That's going too far and I am not saying anything of the sort. I love live music, I live for it, trust me.

Whatever you say, you cannot possibly make such a rash claim as everyone WILL suffer from hearing difficulties when everyone is different?

Do you realise how delicate your inner ear hairs are? Sure, there might be a 10% difference between people, but there isn't anyone immune to hearing damage.

EVERYONE is different, to come onto a forum and start proclaiming that if anyone doesn't wear earplugs to a concert they WILL damage their hearing - that's just plain...

If you get a knife, and stab yourself in the hand; some people will never write again. Some people will 'recover' motor function in a month. Every person stabbed in the hand will have permanent damage inflicted.

Same with everything. If you consistently over-expose your ears, your sensitivity gets lower and lower without you noticing. Why do you think my gran thinks her hearing is perfect? Because she's used to it getting worse and worse.