kirennia
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Okay, this is my main problem in game so I want to start a reasoned discussion about heretics in full group RvR. Ever since I started playing my heretic, there has been one main problem which I have faced and it isn't anything to do with class balance as far as I can see. It's the lack of groups for the class, plain and simple.
I'm simply wondering why FLEX tics do not get groups. This isn't about rej tics, if you want to start another thread about that, fine...just don't make this thread go off on a tangent please.
I'd like to start off by clearing up a lot of misconceptions about the class.
1) We wear cloth but we DONT HAVE CASTER AF. Too many times I've had discussions with people who seem to think that heretics are cloth users, therefore we die easily but this is WRONG. We have the AF of a plate user and ABS in between chain and plate.
2) With equal RAs, a heretic will hit for a little over a reavers damage with our levi/indigo. We don't have a crap version of this and it isn't amazingly hard to pull off as some seem to think...
3) Flex heretics still have the ae snare. The difference is that we spam it whereas a rej tic wont. They will focus but the maths follows that a spammed low level version of it will stick as often as a focused version.
4) Heretics get access to banelord. Again, such a simple point that some people don't seem to realise. For the purpose of interupts, a heretics banelord does the exact same as everyonelses (shock/horror).
Think that's most of the points about a heretic that annoy me when people start a silly conversation about without knowing the facts.
So what is a flextics role in a group you ask? Well it all comes down to the situation as it does with every class. We aren't stuck to the MA in a group all the time although it is sometimes called for; from my perspective, we are a support tank.
With banelord, MoC ae snare (works on det tanks too if you decide to go defensive for the group), 2x instant interupts (although insta snare is bugged so you can spam it til it lands, meaning more interupts), long range style, we can work well as an interupter. With levi we can join the assist train. With the moc ae snare thing again, we can stop an MA train on their way to your groups caster.
Where a reaver is blessed with offensive RAs, a heretic is blessed with more defensive ones. PR, DI, BaoD, MoC just to name a few. And of course the heretics rr5 ability (75%magic resist boost for the group for 45 seconds but it doesn't effect list cloth casters).
The only group in albion which I have seen to try a heretic REGULARLY (apart from pugs and my late night ones) is 'Boys don't cry' where they recently took on vodkafairys' heretic and as far as I've seen, they do well. Heretanks are also rife on other servers. I'd like to hear feedback from people who both agree and disagree but I don't wanna start a flame war I'm just curious as to why the cluster hasn't caught on yet.....Looking forward to reading the replies
I'm simply wondering why FLEX tics do not get groups. This isn't about rej tics, if you want to start another thread about that, fine...just don't make this thread go off on a tangent please.
I'd like to start off by clearing up a lot of misconceptions about the class.
1) We wear cloth but we DONT HAVE CASTER AF. Too many times I've had discussions with people who seem to think that heretics are cloth users, therefore we die easily but this is WRONG. We have the AF of a plate user and ABS in between chain and plate.
2) With equal RAs, a heretic will hit for a little over a reavers damage with our levi/indigo. We don't have a crap version of this and it isn't amazingly hard to pull off as some seem to think...
3) Flex heretics still have the ae snare. The difference is that we spam it whereas a rej tic wont. They will focus but the maths follows that a spammed low level version of it will stick as often as a focused version.
4) Heretics get access to banelord. Again, such a simple point that some people don't seem to realise. For the purpose of interupts, a heretics banelord does the exact same as everyonelses (shock/horror).
Think that's most of the points about a heretic that annoy me when people start a silly conversation about without knowing the facts.
So what is a flextics role in a group you ask? Well it all comes down to the situation as it does with every class. We aren't stuck to the MA in a group all the time although it is sometimes called for; from my perspective, we are a support tank.
With banelord, MoC ae snare (works on det tanks too if you decide to go defensive for the group), 2x instant interupts (although insta snare is bugged so you can spam it til it lands, meaning more interupts), long range style, we can work well as an interupter. With levi we can join the assist train. With the moc ae snare thing again, we can stop an MA train on their way to your groups caster.
Where a reaver is blessed with offensive RAs, a heretic is blessed with more defensive ones. PR, DI, BaoD, MoC just to name a few. And of course the heretics rr5 ability (75%magic resist boost for the group for 45 seconds but it doesn't effect list cloth casters).
The only group in albion which I have seen to try a heretic REGULARLY (apart from pugs and my late night ones) is 'Boys don't cry' where they recently took on vodkafairys' heretic and as far as I've seen, they do well. Heretanks are also rife on other servers. I'd like to hear feedback from people who both agree and disagree but I don't wanna start a flame war I'm just curious as to why the cluster hasn't caught on yet.....Looking forward to reading the replies