Crap Here we go...

[old.Tohtori]

DAmnit Ormorof, now you're on to our foreign plan to take over FH. You must "disappear" now.

 

[mr.Blacky]

I found this interesting from the BBC.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130726-myth-of-online-porn-censorship/1

I do kind of understand where the whole opt-out thing wants to go. It wants to "protect" children with lazy parents, but I still think that that is not the responsibility of the state. As other have posted what about art?
In a way this all reminds me of some episode of the Simpsons.

And yes that is only looking at the less bad intentions.

 

[Bodhi]

Strange how the Co Op have no problem sending people's nearest and dearest to a massive freezer warehouse and sending the wrong body to the wrong funeral, but print a magazine with a bit of flesh on the cover aimed at young lads and everyone loses their minds.

I think the world has gone mad personally. If loaded needs to go in a porno bag, so do Women's Health and Weight Watchers imo.

 

[Edmond]

Strange how the Co Op have no problem sending people's nearest and dearest to a massive freezer warehouse and sending the wrong body to the wrong funeral, but print a magazine with a bit of flesh on the cover aimed at young lads and everyone loses their minds.

I think the world has gone mad personally. If loaded needs to go in a porno bag, so do Women's Health and Weight Watchers imo.

Along with Cosmopolitan and More, which has very explicit content aimed at young girls/women. Thing like '10 ways to give your man good oral'

How is that any different to articles in a porn mag telling guys how to do the same to their girlfriends

 

[old.Tohtori]

and everyone loses their minds.

And you know the thing about porn? It's....fair

 

[TdC]

Along with Cosmopolitan and More, which has very explicit content aimed at young girls/women. Thing like '10 ways to give your man good oral'

strange. they all read those mags too. you'd expect something to rub off on them?

that aside, how does one stumble across the pr0n on the internets? personally I've always had to go out of my way to search for it

 

[DaGaffer]

that aside, how does one stumble across the pr0n on the internets? personally I've always had to go out of my way to search for it

Because: huge number of people on the internet x small number of times pr0n is stumbled on (and it is possible*) = large number.

*misspelled URLs and smart-arse kids sending other kids innocuous looking links that go to pr0n would be a couple of the more obvious ways.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like said, you need to understand that you can't just get on the internet and be fine. Same as with "kids are playing violent games" is because parents buy PG games for them.

Not to mention this is just a waste of money to do something that does nothing, porn will find a way, naughty links won't disappear etc.

 

[TdC]

Because: huge number of people on the internet x small number of times pr0n is stumbled on (and it is possible*) = large number.

*misspelled URLs and smart-arse kids sending other kids innocuous looking links that go to pr0n would be a couple of the more obvious ways.

oh, aye, ofc. I was thinking I literally had to type in "sex dot com" and I thought that googel and google were things of the past

 

[Raven]

I still find porn by typing boobies into the address bar.

 

[Wij]

innocuous looking links that go to pr0n

That rings a bell.

*innocent face*

 

[Wij]

I still find porn by typing boobies into the address bar.

I still find porn by typing boobies into your mum.

 

[Chilly]

I still find porn by typing boobies into your mum.

I still find pron by typing "wij's mum" into the internet.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

I cordially disagree with you .

That argument has already been lost tho m8. Over 200 years ago.

Cameron's trying to drag us back to a pre-Marquis De Sade sexual morality, long discredited, counterproductive and downright dangerous.

 

[Moriath]

You will be the only ones to get to it lol

 

[Moriath]

I cordially disagree with you .

We are all animals however much you want to deny it. Animals need to procreate that's it. The mechanism for that is sex and because we can't go out and bash chicks over the head when we want it porn will always be alive.

Damn civilisation.

 

[Yoni]

I really do not see how this change will benefit society positively. I would much much rather that everyone had the opportunity to act out their fetishes / fantasies either by sourcing material from the Internet or with 'consenting' adults. In my view the censorship of porn and the ability to indulge in ones fantasies (some of you may not realise it but some women have rape fantasies too) may increase the number of sex crimes / accidents amongst the population.

Additionally I agree with DaGaffer re bitter parents using the knowledge that their (ex) partner watches porn to affect their relationships with their kids.

Yes yes let's protect our children.... Who protected the children from finding hidden stashes of 'wank mags'. The whole reasoning behind this suggestion appears more than a little floored.

 

[Chilly]

TBH I suspect it's similar to online gambl1ng. When old Gordon fully legalised and regulated it, inlcuding marketing, it's usage exploded. Now, we all know that gambling for most people is a bit of fun and maybe a fun tool to help you support your team or whatever. But that's not the whole story, people who punt £20 a weekend on the premier league do not pay the bills at Ladbrokes, it's the guys addicted the fixed odds machines or who punt every penny they have on the horses or dogs. The population of the latter type of person has exploded since marketing was fully legalised.

I reckon with porn it will be a similar thing. Most people most of the time might watch porn and have a wank or a laugh or whatever but then you'll get people for whom it becomes a problem - and that population will have been increasing rapidly recently. This censorship, which I really really disagree with fundamentally might also reduce the number of "problem" porn watchers. Of course we all know how to get porn, regardless of its legality, it's the same with gambling. But if it's not easily available the number of people who fall into it in a problematic way will be greatly reduced.

Now I suppose the real question is "is it worth it?". What actual numbers are there and will there be any kind of detectable improvement for society? Who knows? Mr Cameron certainly doesn't.

 

[Raven]

He doesn't need to know anything about it. It would be fun to see him challenged over it though...not by Milliband because he is equally clueless.

All he needs is it to sound good so that Middle England suck his dick again. Along with those stupid immigration bus adverts. Meaningless regulation and marketing to earn votes from slack jawed daily mail readers like Job.

 

[Yoni]

Next thing you know they will be monitoring sales of rubber and latex gloves not to mention excessive purchases of tissues.....

 

[TdC]

really? oh ssssshhhhhiiiiiiiiii.....

 

[bainteor]

We are all animals however much you want to deny it. Animals need to procreate that's it. The mechanism for that is sex and because we can't go out and bash chicks over the head when we want it porn will always be alive.

Damn civilisation.

The vast majority of animals do not have sex for pleasure. Our hedonistic view of sex is a cultural and societal thing.

 

[Chilly]

The vast majority of animals do not have sex for pleasure. Our hedonistic view of sex is a cultural and societal thing.

It's also a biological thing. Teenage boys get horny looking at a brick - that aint society telling them bricks are sexy.

 

[bainteor]

It's also a biological thing. Teenage boys get horny looking at a brick - that aint society telling them bricks are sexy.

I was not talking about arousal.

 

[Raven]

One could argue that it is an evolutionary thing. Sex for pleasure beats sex based on a primordial need, which leads to rape and shit. Animals don't always consent to mating. It is far better for society that we don't go round bashing peoples heads in to sleep with them and helps form much more cohesive family units.

The desire part comes into it as part of survival of the fittest, generally speaking attractive people are attractive because they look physically fit, we want to mate with them so that our offspring is more healthy and has more chance of survival. Not necessarily relevant these days but you are fighting millions of years of evolution.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with sex or porn, people who have a problem with it are literally weird.

 

[bainteor]

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with sex or porn, people who have a problem with it are literally weird.

I agree with your post. However, out of curiosity, why do you believe this?

 

[DaGaffer]

The vast majority of animals do not have sex for pleasure. Our hedonistic view of sex is a cultural and societal thing.

Other higher mammals do, including all the great apes and dolphins, which indicates a correlation with intelligence. Besides, its kind of irrelevant; we have sex for pleasure and the cultural and societal aspects of expression of that pleasure followed.

The aberrative cultural behaviour is the denial that such pleasure is normal or desirable. The Judaic religions have really messed with people's heads for an awful long time, leading to pretty warped values for normal sexual behaviour because basically the default position has been sex=sin or at best, a necessary evil to be gotten over with.

From a purely anthropological point of view, liking porn is a lot more normal than thinking sex is "shameful".

 

[bainteor]

Other higher mammals do, including all the great apes and dolphins, which indicates a correlation with intelligence. Besides, its kind of irrelevant; we have sex for pleasure and the cultural and societal aspects of expression of that pleasure followed.

I wouldn't be so sure.

The aberrative cultural behaviour is the denial that such pleasure is normal or desirable. The Judaic religions have really messed with people's heads for an awful long time, leading to pretty warped values for normal sexual behaviour because basically the default position has been sex=sin or at best, a necessary evil to be gotten over with.

All the Abrahamic religions do this. It is so that they could control women.

From a purely anthropological point of view, liking porn is a lot more normal than thinking sex is "shameful".

One doesn't have to think ill of sex just because one does not agree with the concept of porn.

 

[DaGaffer]

I wouldn't be so sure.

Of what? The animals bit or the culture bit? Because the first one has been pretty much proven, and the second is pretty self-evident, we liking sex definitely came along before the discovery of art.

All the Abrahamic religions do this. It is so that they could control women.

I know why they did it, although I don't think it was just about controlling women; there are other "anti-pleasure" strands running through western thought that come from the Greeks, the Romans and others; the concept of asceticism and denial of one's urges making you a better person isn't only a Judaic thing; its just that the book religions were much more effective at forcing the idea on a huge number of people.

One doesn't have to think ill of sex just because one does not agree with the concept of porn.

Yes but its a continuum; with Francis of Assisi on one end and Wij on the other.