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old.Tohtori

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"In a speech, Mr Cameron will warn that access to online pornography is "corroding childhood".", Yeah, cause we didn't have access to our daddys porn tapes in the 80s.

Also;

"And how, in the darkest corners of the internet, there are things going on that are a direct danger to our children, and that must be stamped out.", careful FH :D
 

Edmond

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I'm looking at you Ed.....oh hang on

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I don't have kids and don't plan on having any. Why should I have to put up with this shit just because people can't be arsed to check what their own kids get up to? There are numerous solutions for parents to restrict what their kids look up or see on the internet, either software based or doing some actual parenting. They might miss a bit of TV but that's what comes with kids.

I am not even bothered that it blocks porn I will just get it removed at BT, it's the principle and the start of a lot of crap. They will be blocking political parties soon.
 

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How lazy will they be - will they block whole sites like this one because there's some porn or will they just block specific images?

If they do it the lazy ways an enormous amount of sites will be blocked - particularly forums?
 

DaGaffer

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The implications of this are actually pretty horrible. If you have kids and you contact your ISP to get the filters switched off, what's the next step, a visit from social services? We live in a world where lawmakers have genuinely passed laws so adults are no longer allowed in public parks on their own, its not a big leap to see your ISP records going on a score-sheet somewhere. This think-of-the-children stuff is misconceived (and I say this as a father of two), especially as, if we're being honest, the real "corrosive" effects on childhood have nothing to do with viewed-in-private pornography, and everything to do with the sexualisation of children through advertising and big media. Its far harder to for parents to explain Rhianna (who can't be avoided), than online porn (which can).
 

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Absolute lunacy. Just another in a long list of ways to take the blame off bad parent's backs for why their kids are horrible little shits. Suffered the same kind of idiocy when I was teaching - if a kid is naughty, it's not the parents' fault for a complete lack of discipline it's either the school's fault or the kid has ADHD or some other 'problem' that they can be labeled with to avoid dealing with the real issues.

I've been watching porn since I was a teenager, it hasn't had any adverse effects on me. Honestly I think one of the most worrying parts is the prospect of completely outlawing things such as rape fantasies in porn - to put it in very simplistic terms, is it not better for someone into that kind of stuff to watch porn where the actors are safe than for them to go out and, well, rape someone?

"I'm not making this speech because I want to moralise or scaremonger, but because I feel profoundly as a politician, and as a father, that the time for action has come. This is, quite simply, about how we protect our children and their innocence."

Stuff like this just makes me sick. How easy is it to 'protect our children and their innocence' when they are completely insulated from real life? These rich, toff tory cunts wouldn't know a real life experience if it gave them a Chelsea Smile. This kind of shit is honestly Brass Eye level, except it's 100% serious and true.
 

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The implications of this are actually pretty horrible.

what he said tbh. the political argument of OMGOMGFINKOFZECHILDRENS!!!1 is, imho, simply smoke and mirrors around the control features made possible by the move. to me it seems the UK is moving down a very bad road where at the end people with internet access will be demonized as paedofiles, terrorists, anarchists and whatnot. I'd almost go as far as to say this heralds the dawn of McCarthyism in the UK with regards to internet.
 

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The first time I saw porn in the UK was on a friends phone when I started secondary school... Mainly 'cos I was too busy collecting popped footballs from the local 'goal' (a thorn bush)

Prior to that, when I was like 10 or so my brother and I were in a hotel room in France flicking through the channels at like 7PM and there was literally hardcore porn on a standard channel... No idea if that's been changed mind you caLLous?

Retarded laws for retarded people.
 

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Also as to what DaGaffer said about avoiding things such as Rhianna - how long now until stuff like this is censored:


View: http://youtu.be/_zR6ROjoOX0


Or that Justin Timberlake video with the naked women. This is a really scary road we're going down.

And yet you can still walk into any supermarket and read through magazines full of pictures of women in bikinis, with diets to make you look like you're 'supposed' to and newspapers like the Express spreading blatant lies and hateful propaganda. How is that not poisoning the minds of the country's youth?
 

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The implications of this are actually pretty horrible. If you have kids and you contact your ISP to get the filters switched off, what's the next step, a visit from social services? We live in a world where lawmakers have genuinely passed laws so adults are no longer allowed in public parks on their own, its not a big leap to see your ISP records going on a score-sheet somewhere. This think-of-the-children stuff is misconceived (and I say this as a father of two), especially as, if we're being honest, the real "corrosive" effects on childhood have nothing to do with viewed-in-private pornography, and everything to do with the sexualisation of children through advertising and big media. Its far harder to for parents to explain Rhianna (who can't be avoided), than online porn (which can).
Indeed.

Like everything else this sort of shit should be "Opt-In". I seem to remember didn't Wales recently pass that they're going to make everyone an organ donor by default? All things in this manner are just ridiculous.
 

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Well i must say, after watching that video...6 times, i think its disgusting, admitedly i still haven't managed to get all the way through in one sitting, but i can only assume the other 3mins are just the same o_O

That's the first time i have seen her, i thought she was black and from *da hood* turms out she's from Australia
 

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"In a speech, Mr Cameron will warn that access to online pornography is "corroding childhood".", Yeah, cause we didn't have access to our daddys porn tapes in the 80s.



Bit different today though isn't it? The porn we grew up with in the 80's are certainly not the same kind of porn kids grow up with today.

Personally i don't see a huge problem with this. Besides if the brits still want to watch porn they just have to call their ISP and tell them to turn off the family lock. :)

They just can't watch pretend rape porn anymore...
 

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What right do you have to question the word of the ruling elite? He went to Eton for gods sake!

It all for your own good you know.

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Bit different today though isn't it? The porn we grew up with in the 80's are certainly not the same kind of porn kids grow up with today.

Yes. Yes it is.

Or has sex changed, somehow?
 

DaGaffer

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Yes. Yes it is.

Or has sex changed, somehow?


Well, pubic hair went AWOL sometime in the 90s...

Plus, the Honorable Fellowship Of Leaving Porn In The Woods For Teenagers To Find has had its day, so even if sex hasn't changed, porn has.

Biggest change I've seen is that I'm now baffled how anyone actually makes money out of it. Who pays for porn and who would be stupid enough to click on an ad on a porn site?
 

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In a way it has changed yes, or maybe "evolved" is a better word for it?

Among the "normal" porn there's a lot of really dodgy and disgusting stuff going on that was pretty damn hard if not impossible to get your hands on not all that many years ago.

I mean there's countless sites out there that's dedicated to nothing but various forms of "jailbait" porn, and you can't say it's hard to find that shit either.

Yes you can rightfully argue that it's the parents responsibility to make sure their kids can't see that stuff, but that's only really possible to do in your own home.

And again, if you really REALLY wanna watch internet porn after this comes in to effect, just call your ISP but don't watch pretend rape...
 

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It always seems to me the ones who are most offended by anything slightly outside the realms of their limited experience are the ones who have the most 'depraved' (by their own standards) desires, they're just unable to admit it to themselves.

As I said earlier, I'd sooner see someone watch pretend rape than go out and rape someone. This obviously extends to any act committed/portrayed by consenting adults.
 

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I'm sort of on the fence here.
Oh no a tick box on my isp profile to uncheck after this kicks in.

On the other hand, I had access to internet porn during my teen years, but it was all still images ( the days of waiting 2 mins for an image to load on 33-56k :p ) and the hardcore fetish stuff wasn't available.
Now you can have an 8 year old given a smartphone who can connect to wifi and look at tranny donkey porn.
I don't know what the social consequences of that are, but I don't think its unreasonable to give parents that kind of filter at the ISP level by default?
 

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I don't know what the social consequences of that are, but I don't think its unreasonable to give parents that kind of filter at the ISP level by default?

Parents can already have that kind of filtering at the ISP level; they just have to ask for it, and its in the sign-up process. I don't understand why that's not enough unless there's a wider agenda.
 

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Parents can already have that kind of filtering at the ISP level; they just have to ask for it, and its in the sign-up process. I don't understand why that's not enough unless there's a wider agenda.


Most parents are fucking ignorant, thats why you have 12 year old shitstains playing FPS games telling people they're going to shit in their mothers cunt, and 8 year olds playing GTA games.
You wouldn't buy a 10 year old kid a copy of Machete, but GTA is ok because of ignorance?

idk. For anyone not <18 and living under their parents roof is logging in and unchecking a tick box really that big a deal?
 

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You wouldn't buy a 10 year old kid a copy of Machete, but GTA is ok because of ignorance?
But then that's because kids know there are absolutely no consequences for their actions these days, which translates to the same in the adult population.

Maybe Cameron should turn his attention to not allowing people to be MP's who have committed fraud, say on their expenses. In the alternative he could always turn his attention to making people step down should they fail in their position in government. The list goes on.
 

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I doubt it will work at all. There's too much porn. kids will just get around it anyway when one of their mates tells them how. Shit I can remember watching porn on the computers in primary school!
 

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idk. For anyone not <18 and living under their parents roof is logging in and unchecking a tick box really that big a deal?

Yes because next it will any other adult theme, political ideology, non mainstream news outlet, whatever the fuck else they decide we need protecting from, and there will be no opt in or out option.

I don't give a fuck what peoples children get up to to be quite honest, if they can't be arsed to parent them properly then they should have them removed or get fined, I don't care really as long as it doesn't effect me.

This whole load on unpolicable bollocks could be solved if mouth breather parents sorted their shit out.

It's the precedent that is at issue here, not whether little johnny is watching too much porn.
 

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so now I have to put my name on a fucking LIST if I want to look at pron? Walofs.
 

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If I can just squeeze past the wall of sweaty outrage, can I ask a simple question?

What's the difference between this, and forcing newsagents to put porn magazines on the top shelf, obscured by wrappers?

Not that I agree that this proposed legislation is the correct course of action.
 

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Most parents are fucking ignorant, thats why you have 12 year old shitstains playing FPS games telling people they're going to shit in their mothers cunt, and 8 year olds playing GTA games.
You wouldn't buy a 10 year old kid a copy of Machete, but GTA is ok because of ignorance?

idk. For anyone not <18 and living under their parents roof is logging in and unchecking a tick box really that big a deal?


Kids with parents who give that little of a fuck about them have got bigger worries than porn. The problem is that its yet another law or regulation designed to make the feckless behave, but all that ever happens is the problems are kicked up the road, never fixed.
 

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