Crap Here we go...

[Scouse]

But you still have to make a conscious decision to buy those mags.

Then why not make a concious (and completely ineffective) decision to block porn, rather than implement as-standard censorship?


In itself the above question is kind of pointless. Kids who want access to porn can and will get it - no problem and regardless of any block.

So, lets ask the serious question:

Why bother?

It's not as if the past 20 years of freely available porn has resulted in social collapse has it?

As far as I can see the average 25 year old has a much more enlightened view of sex than those of us growing up in the 70's and 80's - where porn was a *much* bigger deal - because of it's scarcity: Girls who enjoy sex are no longer seen as sluts or slags, lads who previously wouldn't be getting much are now getting loads. As humans we're much more free and easy with our bodies.

It's my assertion that access to porn has had a beneficial effect on the sexual habits of the young in this country. They're less prudish, they're more open about it - in terms of talking about it and having it. Only the kids of the most horrible 18th-century parents have the hangups about sex that were commonplace not that long ago.

Watching porn has shown them that the things they like doing with their bodies to make themselves feel good, with a consentual partner (including acting out rape if that's what they're both in to), aren't that freaky and doesn't make them "bad people".

More unrestricted access to porn for all please. And better parenting and free discussion of sex with your children for christ's sake - which is where the problem really lies.

 

[DaGaffer]

In a perfect world every single one that own a computer would know how to block out porn by themselves, but there's a LOT of people with kids that doesn't have a clue for one reason or another.

And there's the problem with the western world in a nutshell; the default assumption that everyone is a fucking moron so the only solutions are for fucking morons. I don't think "doesn't have a clue" is an acceptable response in the 21st century. You're expected to "have a clue" about how to keep your kids fed, watered and generally alive, so what shouldn't you be expected to "have a clue" about keeping them safe from harm, be it physical or emotional, real world or online?

Porn isn't a problem, sexualisation of children through the media is.

This. The hypocrisy of media outlets like the Daily Mail in particular, is breathtaking.

 

[eksdee]

But you still have to make a conscious decision to buy those mags.

And you're not gonna end up going home with a porn mag when you tried to buy nothing but a comic or a newspaper. On the internet however you can click on a seemingly safe link and end up staring at a page full of god knows what weird shit.

Yes i can understand that it might be shameful to ask your ISP to let you watch porn, but is that really so fucking bad when you look at the big picture?

In a perfect world every single one that own a computer would know how to block out porn by themselves, but there's a LOT of people with kids that doesn't have a clue for one reason or another.

So why not at least make sure their kids can't see it?

I mean, it doesn't take much to be able to watch porn again so why make such a big deal out of it?

I see what you're getting at with the point about stumbling across unsavoury stuff online, and it's certainly a problem for some people, but I was more getting at the fact that I have absolutely no problem telling someone 'I want to watch porn', however I have a massive problem with my details being put on a list of people that have said 'I want to watch porn'. I think what you say points to a much better solution in and of itself - people need to be educated, not censored. If ease of access to porn is a problem to the point that people who don't want to see it are seeing it, they should be given the opportunity to learn how to avoid it. Simply taking it away entirely is like chopping off someone's hand for stealing a loaf of bread - archaic, reactionary and completely lacking in foresight.

I really don't think anyone at all is upset by or even cares about the idea of having to 'opt in' to porn, it's the potential ramifications which are extremely unfair and a potential problem down the line.

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097

ahahahaha


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[Job]

The Chinese make so much of our electronics..its hardly worth worrying about..theres probably keystroke trojans in every chip.

 

[Scouse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097

ahahahaha


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Yup. Cameron's implementing the Great Chinese Firewall, right here in the UK.

 

[TdC]

Cameron's implementing the Great Chinese Firewall, right here in the UK.

but the Chinese are undemocratic opressors of their peoples, Scouse. surely an Englishman would never stoop so low?

 

[megadave]

Who thinks this is actually to do with porn anyway? Once the system is in place, they'll ban whatever the fuck they want.

 

[soze]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097

ahahahaha


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Like Engadget says you want something done you go to the masters.

Who thinks this is actually to do with porn anyway? Once the system is in place, they'll ban whatever the fuck they want.

Exactly this is disturbing, this week it is Lesbians next week it is WikiLeaks, Al Jazeera and maybe even block any access to opposing political parties.

 

[Wij]

Then why not make a concious (and completely ineffective) decision to block porn, rather than implement as-standard censorship?


In itself the above question is kind of pointless. Kids who want access to porn can and will get it - no problem and regardless of any block.

So, lets ask the serious question:

Why bother?

It's not as if the past 20 years of freely available porn has resulted in social collapse has it?

As far as I can see the average 25 year old has a much more enlightened view of sex than those of us growing up in the 70's and 80's - where porn was a *much* bigger deal - because of it's scarcity: Girls who enjoy sex are no longer seen as sluts or slags, lads who previously wouldn't be getting much are now getting loads. As humans we're much more free and easy with our bodies.

It's my assertion that access to porn has had a beneficial effect on the sexual habits of the young in this country. They're less prudish, they're more open about it - in terms of talking about it and having it. Only the kids of the most horrible 18th-century parents have the hangups about sex that were commonplace not that long ago.

Watching porn has shown them that the things they like doing with their bodies to make themselves feel good, with a consentual partner (including acting out rape if that's what they're both in to), aren't that freaky and doesn't make them "bad people".

More unrestricted access to porn for all please. And better parenting and free discussion of sex with your children for christ's sake - which is where the problem really lies.

No, you're missing the point. The point is that it's NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!1

Nowadays, thanks to porn, teenage girls shave their twats and are happy to give anal. They didn't when I was that age and I'm too old to benefit now. IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!1

 

[TdC]

Wij was shaved and gave anal as a teen. FACT.

 

[fettoken]

No, you're missing the point. The point is that it's NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!1

Nowadays, thanks to porn, teenage girls shave their twats and are happy to give anal. They didn't when I was that age and I'm too old to benefit now. IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!1

Too old, pft. What are you? A man or a pervert?! Go out there and behave like one..

 

[TdC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097

ahahahaha


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/18/people-falsely-accused-internet-data-disclosure

 

[Athan]

Who thinks this is actually to do with porn anyway? Once the system is in place, they'll ban whatever the fuck they want.

Indeed, in fact the initial proposal looks to be about more than just porn already:

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/sleepwalking-into-censorship

“Parental controls”

Do you want to block

☑ pornography
☑ violent material
☑ extremist and terrorist related content
☑ anorexia and eating disorder websites
☑ suicide related websites
☑ alcohol
☑ smoking
☑ web forums
☑ esoteric material
☑ web blocking circumvention tools

 

[BloodOmen]

Indeed, in fact the initial proposal looks to be about more than just porn already:

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/sleepwalking-into-censorship

Lol and if you ring up and go "Yes, i'd like to browse some extremist/terrorist content please" money bets you go onto a watch list ?

 

[Mey]

The picture that you have posted is art. Porn is misogynistic, mindless debauchery that is in no way spiritually and morally progressive, unlike art.

I bet there was a bunch of guys beating off to that picture daily.

 

[Scouse]

It looks like the whole country is becoming more puritanical...

 

[Raven]

To be fair they should be given six weeks to stop being rubbish.

Anyway, the future is TOR.

 

[DaGaffer]

It looks like the whole country is becoming more puritanical...

In a way I have slightly more sympathy with this as its about public v private displays, but...

How is this different? Because its aimed at women?

 

[Wij]

In a way I have slightly more sympathy with this as its about public v private displays, but...

How is this different? Because its aimed at women?

Not fappable.

 

[TdC]

I'd vote for Wij as minister of censorship!

 

[Job]

It's a cycle of opinion, been going on since year dot, latest has been from Victorians banning piano legs to todays scat and animal porn freely avaliable in your home.
It's about time for a turn around..really it is..what exactly do we want next?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Since people are so afraid that they "accidentally" find porn, they should realise by now that the internet needs some skill to use. If you took the time to climb out of your selfish little bubble, you'd take the time(15 minutes), learn the rules of the internet and you woukd -never- accidentally find anything. In a simple campaign style way of putting it;

You don't give a drunk the car, you don't give a moron a gun and you don't leave a 10 year old on the internet.

On the other stuff, you think you can ban filth via isp? Funny.

 

[eksdee]

Unfortunately what you say is true for almost everything Toht. The world is full of lazy idiots.

 

[Raven]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...-can-check-how-disgusting-it-is-2013072276457

 

[bainteor]

I bet there was a bunch of guys beating off to that picture daily.

That does not change my point. You could walk into the Sistine Chapel and masturbate to The Creation of Adam for all I care. Art is art.

 

[DaGaffer]

That does not change my point. You could walk into the Sistine Chapel and masturbate to The Creation of Adam for all I care. Art is art.

It's art now. I bet back then there was some self -appointed guardian of the public morals (probably a priest) ranting about the decadent pottery making the youth go blind.

 

[Tuthmes]

That does not change my point. You could walk into the Sistine Chapel and masturbate to The Creation of Adam for all I care. Art is art.

Porn is art.

 

[bainteor]

Porn is art.

I cordially disagree with you .

 

[Ormorof]

has anyone clicked a link that turned out to be porn when they weren't looking for porn since the 90s?

edit: and what will happen to the booty and booby thread? will us non UKers also be deprived if FH is classed as smutty!? scandalous