happy happy new phone time...maybe!

[MYstIC G]

I am still using my Samsung Galaxy S2 (rooted) and asan ordinary phone it does pretty much everything I need. But I will be upgrading. Options:

1. Samsung Galaxy Note 4. A beast with a stylus.
2. Sony Xperia Z3. Looks nice. Amazing camera.
3. Google Nexus 6. Not much known yet.

If HTC can bring out a phone like the One but with a good camera (none of that ultrapixel technology crud), I'll get that.

Not considering the larger LG G3 then?

 

[JBP|]

Not considering the larger LG G3 then?

got the LG G3 3 weeks ago I like it

 

[DaGaffer]

I'll buy an iPhone 6 next week. New work phone.

 

[Raven]

I'm going for a Z3 early next year, for the Playstation compatibility gubbins.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'll buy an iPhone 6 next week. New work phone.

Not sure why that's funny. I'll get an iPhone because that's what the most valuable customers use. Android phones are for poor/cheap people (not taking the piss here, Android customers simply don't buy stuff on their phones anywhere like as much as iPhone users), and besides, I have an Android tab (Nexus 7) to cover that user experience as well. If I was buying a phone purely for personal use, I might have bought an Android phone, but maybe not, there are still Apple only apps that I like.

 

[ECA]

Well, I've upgraded both myself and both parents to the Oneplus One.
Great phone.

( Also I dunno how anyone can buy a dual core 8mp phone in 2014, maybe if it was £30? ).

 

[Embattle]

Not sure why that's funny. I'll get an iPhone because that's what the most valuable customers use. Android phones are for poor/cheap people (not taking the piss here, Android customers simply don't buy stuff on their phones anywhere like as much as iPhone users), and besides, I have an Android tab (Nexus 7) to cover that user experience as well. If I was buying a phone purely for personal use, I might have bought an Android phone, but maybe not, there are still Apple only apps that I like.

My dad gets lumbered with an iPhone for work, however seeing this picture is quite amusing:

 

[Olgaline]

Not abandonning my HTC One just yet, but when I do it will likely be the Samsung note in some form, unless as Lamp says, HTC come up with a propper camera option.

 

[soze]

( Also I dunno how anyone can buy a dual core 8mp phone in 2014, maybe if it was £30? ).

Because the iPhone does not need a 4 core processor to not run like a bag of shit. My iPhone never lags and runs everything I need it too why the fuck would I need it to have 2 more cores? Just so I can tell people I have a quad core phone? That is the worst part of pruning pointless hate so far.

 

[caLLous]

Honestly I don't even know where to begin with that comment soze. You do make me smile.

 

[Raven]

Not sure why that's funny. I'll get an iPhone because that's what the most valuable customers use. Android phones are for poor/cheap people (not taking the piss here, Android customers simply don't buy stuff on their phones anywhere like as much as iPhone users), and besides, I have an Android tab (Nexus 7) to cover that user experience as well. If I was buying a phone purely for personal use, I might have bought an Android phone, but maybe not, there are still Apple only apps that I like.

Buying the same phone as stupid people, obsessed with in app purchases is not exactly a glowing plus point.

 

[DaGaffer]

Buying the same phone as stupid people, obsessed with in app purchases is not exactly a glowing plus point.

But they're not stupid people, as they're generally wealthier and better-educated than everyone else (according to all the demographic data available), and they spend more money on their device, and my job is to get them to spend money on their device, so its kind of handy to know how usable that device is, and make the most of it. And whether you like it or not, commerce via device (not just for digital services, but for everything) is the future (in fact its the present, mobile commerce is 30%+ in a lot of markets), and even though Apple aren't doing a better job than Google particularly, what they have been doing is a much more consistent job (advantage of a locked down ecosystem).

To be honest, I really didn't like my iPhone 5 when I got it, and I still loathe any interaction with the iTunes parts of it, but nothing ever really fucks up on it the way things can and will with Android, and maybe its because I'm old fart or just don't have the time, but I'm not that interested in faffing around with my phone; I don't care about media consumption (I have a tab for that), I do care about ease of use and reliability.

 

[fettoken]

Not sure why that's funny. I'll get an iPhone because that's what the most valuable customers use. Android phones are for poor/cheap people (not taking the piss here, Android customers simply don't buy stuff on their phones anywhere like as much as iPhone users), and besides, I have an Android tab (Nexus 7) to cover that user experience as well. If I was buying a phone purely for personal use, I might have bought an Android phone, but maybe not, there are still Apple only apps that I like.

That's an interesting out-lash at a group of people. I guess you can justify purchasing a 128 gb Iphone that costs about 1200 dollars here in Sweden instead of buying a laptop or some such.

 

[DaGaffer]

That's an interesting out-lash at a group of people. I guess you can justify purchasing a 128 gb Iphone that costs about 1200 dollars here in Sweden instead of buying a laptop or some such.

Its not some sociological critique of Android buyers, its just the stats. In my last job, the first App we launched was four times more popular and had twice the engagement of the Android version, despite Android having a much higher share of the Irish phone market (which in turn is one of the highest smartphone penetrations on Earth). Other companies see similar stats. So if you work in any kind of ecommerce business and you don't have an iPhone, you're either perverse or a moron.

 

[fettoken]

Its not some sociological critique of Android buyers, its just the stats. In my last job, the first App we launched was four times more popular and had twice the engagement of the Android version, despite Android having a much higher share of the Irish phone market (which in turn is one of the highest smartphone penetrations on Earth). Other companies see similar stats. So if you work in any kind of ecommerce business and you don't have an iPhone, you're either perverse or a moron.

Iphone doesn't come off as a business phone to be honest. I would think Nokia or Ericsson comes off as such while Iphone is used more by creative and artsy type of people.

 

[Trem]

Oh god, here I go, I really shouldn't because for one DaG is way smarter than me as is soze and I won't win an argument and.....well everyone is probably smarter than me but this my view on Apple products.

At first they were shiny and really quite impressive, they seemed to be owned by professional people who knew what they wanted and the phone did it all for them. The iPhone was the phone for the businessman and for the important people. Nowadays it has become more of a cult item, by cult I don't mean in a cool undeground type way I mean in a tesco bag on your head group suicide type way. It feels like there is people who buy them who know they are overpriced pieces of shit (a guy where I used to work) but liked the fact that he could say he had one and then there is people who are simply so sold on the whole idea of the Apple dream that they dare not upgrade the second a new one arrives, albeit no fucking different. Wasn't the big deal of one of the last iPhones that it was diamond cut or something then it arrived and the fucking maps didn't work on it?

The point I am trying to make is why settle for lots less for lots more when you can have lots more for lots less? I think the point of having quad cores and all that is future proofing, to run bigger things better if needed, it doesn't mean every user will need a quad core CPU but some may and if they do it is there.

Back to the thread, teedles get a bloody LG G3 you horrendous bag

I am knackered and pain killered up so grammar and punctuation can fuck off today by the way

 

[Vae]

iPhones used to be far ahead of the competition in terms of the whole user experience (reliability, usability, technology and app store), however in the last couple of years this has dramatically declined as they haven't added much new and the competition have.

Our household used to have 4 apple devices so it was useful having access to apps for all devices on one account. I replaced my iPhone with a Nexus 5 last year (as I had an iPhone 5 from work) and it looks like we'll replace my wifes iPhone 4S with a Nexus 6 or similar alternative shortly as (even for her) it is hard to come up with advantages of the iPhone 6 over the competition which in any way justify the price difference (although I could make the same comparison between the Samsung S5 and the Nexus 5/6 as well). I think the only things she will miss are imessage (easily replaced by Whatsapp) and Facetime (maybe replaceable by Skype but less people have that).

In terms of apps iOS still has the advantage but much less now than it used to be.

 

[soze]

*The below is a novel about my thoughts and the reasons I use one I am not trying to convert anyone I am just saying.

You do have a point and I would never upgrade every year because they do cost too much I pretty much stick to the S version every other year. But Apple did have people camping outside flagship stores before the announcement so they do have the lunatic fringe who would probably buy an iShit if they put it in a white box.

But I have never and still do not think I and settling for less with buying iPhones. I know there are bigger numbers on the Android phones but that is not black and white. The Apple Dual Core is custom made for them for the phones if it needed a quad core they would make a quad core but it simply does not need one so the only reason to add a quad core would be to say there is a quad core. The 6 has a new processor and I would imagine iOS8 runs faultlessly on it. In the early days of Android the OS was very buggy and had plenty of memory leaks and you could find you were getting force closes and having to reboot a lot. So they started racing to bigger and better processors but the same apps run on a Dual Core iPhone without skipping a bit and the user experience was a fast and smooth on mine after being on and running for 10 months as it was the day I got it.

That is one of the big things that got me to stay with Apple. After about 2 weeks nearly every Android phone I have ever owned would need to be turned on and off to stop it running like dog shit. Yes this was more than likely my fault for having 8 home pages covered in Widgets and using a different Launcher and different applications for everything. But the phones were still slow after a week and had to be restarted after two. The App tiles view on an iPhone work for me I do not mind clicking weather to open the weather or Calender to look at my Calender ect rather than looking at it in a widget.

The other big reason is driven by working for a company that deals with mobile phone repairs. I am not lying when I say 99.9% of Apples that come back are physical damage and so far this year only 1 iPhone 5s has come back with a faulty GSM chip. And rather than suffering through 10 days of BS to get it fixed someone took it to and Apple Store and it was replaced. That customer had a working phone back with everything on it inside of 24 hours.

iCloud (until proven at fault for the celeb nudes) is great. Every night when my phone charges it takes a backup to the cloud. About two weeks ago I reset my iPhone to fix a voice mail problem I had after migrating to Virgin. So I factory wiped it. I ran it up as a new phone then sorted voice mail. Then I went to iCloud and resorted to the night before. 40 minutes later all of my emails, texts, application and more importantly application settings were resorted and my phone was back the same as it was before, even to the point where 4 pics 1 word was open at the same puzzle. And the settings have never worked for me on Android not over the air, I get to to put the Applications back but have to config them manually. This is only a problem for Apps like SAB which needs server username password and API keys entered. Apple puts all that back for me.

The cost is really high but they also hold value really well. I sold my 4s the week before the announcement for the 5s when it was nearly 2 years old and I got £340 odd quid for it, considering I used it for 2 years and it cost me just under £600 the value is not that bad I lost £260 or just over £10 a month.

iTunes is another thing people hate and I would agree with them but I do have it installed in work and I am listening to music on it right now just so i have my old library somewhere. But I have not used it with my 5s at all. I setup and restores my settings via iCloud and I use iTunes match for my Music. So it is not a problem or an issue for me as I am not forced to use it at all.

So for me it is the fact that it works and it stays working and I can replace it in a day without losing anything. To me they make it worth it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Iphone doesn't come off as a business phone to be honest. I would think Nokia or Ericsson comes off as such while Iphone is used more by creative and artsy type of people.

I think you're wrong (business people use I phones, techies don't if they have a choice), but from my perspective that doesn't really matter; user behaviour is all I really care about.

@caLLous what do you disagree with? Everything in that post is correct.

@Trem. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm not in the business of buying the most capable phone, I need to follow the most profitable smartphone users, and they are using iPhones.

 

[old.user4556]

But they're not stupid people, as they're generally wealthier and better-educated than everyone else (according to all the demographic data available), and they spend more money on their device, and my job is to get them to spend money on their device, so its kind of handy to know how usable that device is, and make the most of it. And whether you like it or not, commerce via device (not just for digital services, but for everything) is the future (in fact its the present, mobile commerce is 30%+ in a lot of markets), and even though Apple aren't doing a better job than Google particularly, what they have been doing is a much more consistent job (advantage of a locked down ecosystem).

To be honest, I really didn't like my iPhone 5 when I got it, and I still loathe any interaction with the iTunes parts of it, but nothing ever really fucks up on it the way things can and will with Android, and maybe its because I'm old fart or just don't have the time, but I'm not that interested in faffing around with my phone; I don't care about media consumption (I have a tab for that), I do care about ease of use and reliability.

I was going to say you sound like my mum and dad, but then I read:

maybe its because I'm old fart

On phones in general, I had an iPhone 5 for a year (replacing a 4) then I bought a Nexus 5. My iPhone 5 lay on my shelf for nearly another year, unused, until I sold it once out of contract. I have no inclination to buy an Apple product again. Stock Android is superb, I felt so closed in on iOS, Android set my productivity free.

 

[old.user4556]

Stuff

Android was absolutely dog shite until about 12 to 18 months ago in my opinion. It's why I ultimately moved to an iPhone 4 a few years back because it was absolutely head and shoulders above everything else out there. That gap has been closing, and for my needs, closed completely. I felt that Apple stopped leading the way and Android manufacturers really innovated in several products from phablets to smaller tablets. One of the biggest appeals of iOS, and the biggest flaws of Android, was the super slick interface of iOS. It wasn't until Project Butter / Jellybean came along in mid-2012 that the Android experience was comparable to the Apple experience. Now we're on KitKat 4.4.4 and I much prefer it to iOS although Google Now is slightly freaky with it's preemptive location services. This latest round of Apple products are simply catching up with where Android was 12 months ago. They're lovely looking handsets, they'll sell a lot of them, but for me I'd miss far too many of Android's flexible features to ever go back.

 

[Raven]

I actually find Iphones to be incredibly boring handsets. The massive bezel just makes them look really cheap and nasty. The UI is also horrific.

 

[old.user4556]

I say, buy the phone that makes you happy / meets your needs.

 

[Trem]

I say, buy the phone that makes you happy / meets your needs.

In that case give me a shout next time your sister has one for sale.......

 

[old.user4556]

She's just dumped her husband !

 

[soze]

It seems like someone should have asked for a picture by now.

 

[Edmond]

She's just dumped her husband !

Is it because he had an iPhone?

 

[Syri]

Soze, there's two things I feel the need to point out. First, generalising Android as being for the poor, not a good idea. Yes, they command a large amount of the budget smartphone space, but they also have a lot of premium handsets, some of which sell for more than Apple's kit. Android has developed a long way since the old Gingerbread days, where it was rather clunky and unstable. It's now a very polished experience, and were it not for the lead Apple already built up, I'm sure would demand just as much of the premium market that you pursue.
Secondly, Android did not start using faster CPUs to combat memory leaks. It may have had memory leaks in the past, but that's not the reason for the current push for quad/octa core CPUs. It's actually because Android is a much more complex OS, because it's a single OS designed to be adapted to run on a number of devices. iOS on the other hand, only has to run on the devices Apple produce, so they can be a bit tighter on how they code things, because they know that nobody should be running that OS on any other brand of chip, using any other radio chip or wifi chip. Android has to allow for all of those. In the end, neither approach is particularly "wrong", just different. But it is not because of memory leaks, which would basically be lazy programming to throw more hardware at them.
At the end of the day though, you go for the phone that best suits you. Like it or not, Apple are a huge marketing success story. Rather than produce devices people need, they try to work on making people think they need the devices they make. They're pretty good at it too. Don't get me wrong, their kit has some advantages over the rest. The OS is more stable, though that's becoming less and less of an issue now as their platform has started to vary more and Android stabilise. Some do prefer their interface and visual style, which is obviously a question of taste. One thing that can't be denied is they tend to have great build quality. All of this, with their hype machine, does sell things.
Personally, I prefer having less restrictions, and also don't like paying the "apple tax" that their products carry. Like it or not, they do use older tech than flagship Android products, and I personally have an issue with them charging so much for what is a much cheaper to produce package. If someone likes what they produce though, fair enough. It suits some people, just like Android suits others.

 

[Trem]

It seems like someone should have asked for a picture by now.

So many times I have tried but G is so bloody protective of her

 

[MYstIC G]

My iPhone 3GS still works 5 years on, if my Nexus 5 lasts that long then I'll be impressed.