Guard !

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halgaard

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kinda annoyed about this atm..

mids have df so i login with my scout and walk down to umbra hulks where i usually hunt when we dont have df, and bingo, a warrior and shaman down there.

target the kobold since you cant hit a warrior with shield with arrows from front, period.

as I am writing this, the warrior has blocked each and every single one of the 54 arrows i have fired against the kobold shaman.

i serious think this is wrong. there is 0% chance of damaging a shield specced warrior with arrows, ok fair enough, but the target he is guarding aswell?

if just 1 of my arrow had gone through, i wouldnt be ranting on like this, but that he can block each and every single arrow on someone he is grouping isnt fair.

oh well back to the game and watch em pull umbra hulks knowing i can never damage any of them :(
 
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halgaard

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i wasnt shooting at the warrior, but the shaman, and as you might know.. guard works even if the tank is facing the other way .. :(

/cry
 
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Khalen

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If he's buffed and you're not then it's understandable because buffs have a huge impact in skills...
 
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halgaard

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was fully buffed with aug dex2 and fe1
356 dex :/ dunno bout the mids, but since the warrior was grouping a shaman he would have shamy buffs.
 
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Lumikki

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50 shield and MoB 2-3 I'd guess + shaman buffs, probably a farm bot warrior.

Bad luck you had there alright.

xx
 
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zoolis

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warriors should block more imo :) atleast against infils..... a infil should not be able to take down mids heaviest tank.... its a shame... more lub to warriors \o/ :)
 
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filofax

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Guard does not work if he's facing the other way, guard only works if the person/mob he's blocking at is in view. FYI.
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by filofax
Guard does not work if he's facing the other way, guard only works if the person/mob he's blocking at is in view. FYI.
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im pretty sure thats wrong
 
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Driwen

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Originally posted by halgaard
i wasnt shooting at the warrior, but the shaman, and as you might know.. guard works even if the tank is facing the other way .. :(

/cry
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he was talking about hit the warrior from behind? Block doesnt work for the warrior himself if he doesnt face you and with a mob on him he might notice it till its to late.

allthough its unlucky, it seems to have a better chance than shooting at the shammy (btw 54 arrows is damn unlucky gaurd has 50% blockrate or less?)
 
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gunner440

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theres a reason why he specced 50shield and possibly moblock?!
 
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halgaard

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Originally posted by gunner440
theres a reason why he specced 50shield and possibly moblock?!
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wow you made me see the light be that remark gunner

There is no point in having 46 longbow aug dex and FE i understand your point of view :rolleyes:
 
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Kagato.

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Originally posted by filofax
Guard does not work if he's facing the other way, guard only works if the person/mob he's blocking at is in view. FYI.
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Nope, Guard works all round, it shouldn't do realistically, specially as you can only block attacks in front of you, but guard for some peculiar reason works 360 degrees so long as your in range.

Sucks doesn't it?
 
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halgaard

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this has nothing to do about engage
ill repeat myself. I was shooting the shaman.
they were killing umbra hulks meanwhile i was fireing.
I was stealthed before i released the first arrow and no, the warrior wasnt engaging me since he was attacking umbra hulks meanwhile.
 
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ab_fluid

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good, thats how it should be, a scout should have no chance in hell against a heavy tank unless the RR diff is huge or buffed/unbuffed, if only it was the same when facing dual wielders
 
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Shrye

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Originally posted by halgaard
this has nothing to do about engage
ill repeat myself. I was shooting the shaman.
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Previously, it's been possibly to engage-guard others, and wouldn't surprise me at all if you still can.
 
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kirennia

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Originally posted by ab_fluid
good, thats how it should be, a scout should have no chance in hell against a heavy tank unless the RR diff is huge or buffed/unbuffed, if only it was the same when facing dual wielders
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I personally think if the archer has shot FIFTY FOUR arrows into the person the tank is guarding, whilst the tank is almost killing a mob, the guarded person should DEFINATELY be dead, not on 100% health ffs. If you really beleive 54 shots isn't enough, then there is something wrong with you.....

1 vs. 1 tank vs. archer is a completely different matter
 
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Kindar

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I think Engage is 95% to block inc stuff, but can be wrong. The guarding is lovely. Dunno how many hits you can take away on targets with an assist train on it :-P
Arrows seems like being 100% blocked on my warrior, and is the same when guarding a person. Like 50 shield gives your normal blocking rate to the guarded person too.
Should see crossguarding >:-P

I don't think guard is overrated...makes fights alot more challenging.
And archers shouldn't be going for anything stuck on a warrior fyi. Is like 90% the stuck target is guarded ^^
 
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ab_fluid

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Originally posted by kirennia
I personally think if the archer has shot FIFTY FOUR arrows into the person the tank is guarding, whilst the tank is almost killing a mob, the guarded person should DEFINATELY be dead, not on 100% health ffs. If you really beleive 54 shots isn't enough, then there is something wrong with you.....

1 vs. 1 tank vs. archer is a completely different matter
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matter of opinion tbh, everyone with half a brain knows that a mob 2/3 shield warriors guard is massively good, they don't get the advantages of it against dual wielders tho, each skill has an up and downside, this kinda thing is the upside.
 
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old.moriath

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and arrows have no to hit bonus

So yup .. should have gone and slamed the wwarrior and the shammy and let the hulks kill them
 
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fayle

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So that warrior let you actually shoot 50+ arrows at him and kept ignoring you??
If i were him i'd stop farming for a min and go collect the free rp :p
 
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Tualatin

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I got this with my pala few weeks/ couple months ago,

i came down from stairs, and just passed alb merchants.. i saw this warrior and a shammie. After trying to slam the warrior few times (which failed), I went on the shammie, but even so, he kept blocking all my blows.

I wasn't buffed tho, and he sure as hell was. Guard is good, but maybe too good in some cases.


Noticed it aswell with my cleric + 50 pala with 42 shield, he has lvl 24 base buffs + lvl1-8 spec buffs... he blocked every hit at me from each mob trying to hit me.
 
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halgaard

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Originally posted by fayle
So that warrior let you actually shoot 50+ arrows at him and kept ignoring you??
If i were him i'd stop farming for a min and go collect the free rp :p
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he would have to run to the top of the umbra hulks then :) and by that time i would have been long gone
 
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kirennia

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Anyone who lets themselves be shot 50+ times should be dead, especially if they have a purp con mob beating on them at the time. Yes guard should be good but 100% block rate is kinda taking the piss.
 
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-fwapp-

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u cant hit people facing u with large shields, its maybe 1% possible but ive found even blue cons (after death) have just constantly blocked arrows over and over
 
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