GOA want to balance servers.... RIGHT

[Belomar]

I don't think GOA will do much about the PvP server. The ruleset was added by Mythic almost as an afterthought, with the unspoken disclaimer that if you don't like it, don't play there. For myself, I can't stand the senseless aggro and killing going on there, and I too have been driven off the server because of it (even if I now have a 48 necro there waiting to PL something).

Perhaps the general population of Camlann needs to do something, since GOA most likely is not. Even if you won't form an alliance, perhaps there could be a force of "vigilantes" going after the griefers (who most of the time are BDs or Warlocks in small groups) and protect the new people who do come to the server. Otherwise I don't see how anyone would ever start on the PvP server at this point in the game.

 

[Dreami]

Alb/excals are zerging shits.

What are you supposed to know? xd

I'm not defending Alb/Excal ppl, but tell me, what do you base your vast knowledge on?

 

[Ctuchik]

just for kicks i logged on to camlann last night to have a talk to a random english speaking officer of a guild. and the 3 things he said that would have made me accepted in his guild (and most other guilds he told me) is to be atleast lvl 45+ be rr5+ and be either a healer, bard or a cleric.

now i asked him how the hell i would have been able to level up a healer SOLO on this pvp server. and guess what he said? guild jump! i would acually have to be FORCED to get a lame reputation as a guild jumper/opportunist just to be able to level up my fucking healer/bard/cleric because a snowball would have a bigger chance in hell then a solo support class on camlann.

theres so much bloody distrust on that server that everyone is seing spy's everywhere they look. and its the first thing they think when u as a low lvl ask if they are recruiting, if they can acually understand wtf ur saying in the first place.


but i wont go as far as saying that EVERYONE on camlann is a tard. just because i have never ever met anyone thats nice doesent have to mean they dont exist...

 

[Phoebee-v-]

1: log in...
2: immediately get instaganked 10 times in 2 minutes by unkillable buffbotted purple-con no-penis shitheads (usually stealthers) who repeatedly /rude you...
3: log out, never to return.

Here is someone that hasn't even tried camlann or at least don't know the ruleset. Post facts not BS. :kissit:

Edit: if u get killed 10 times in 2min you must have 1 a very fast computor to release and zone(then you got 20sec immunity) or 9 artifacts that breaks timer after you release and you use them......

 

[Aeva]

when I logged in camlamn I made an eldritch, I met a few people my lvl around hib SI zone, killed this blue con vamp and some other /leveled chars a few times, it wasn't that bad actually, I found a grp in gothwaite and we had some nice battles, only on a couple of occasions did I get killed by a purp conned person.
at the end of the day i was lvl 27 and had quite a good time.
i dont think many people know what camlamn is really like

 

[Eeben]

Mids: tactic

Tactic = Spamming instants ?

 

[Neo]

Well tbh, u just dont "move" to Camlann, u bring ur guild or atleast a couple
of friends and go there.

 

[Elitestoner]

turn it into a non-toa server imo!

 

[Tesla Monkor]

You can most probably forget about that. The new servertype that Mythic is developing will mean that the other companies (GOA, Korean, etc.) will have to pay licence rights again.. Rather unlikely it'll happen.

 

[enkor]

blah blah

Are you saying people on rvr servers are somehow different? If I logged onto say, mid/exc and asked the officer of a random guild what i would need to be to join, I'm pretty sure the reply would include being lvl 50 at the very least, and for many guilds, also include being a useful class, not random vampiir #6095903. It is slightly harder to level up with random groups on camlann, but really, from what ive heard its not that easy to find low lvl xp groups on rvr servers either (I will be trying it out soon if camlann doesnt improve ), so I really dont see your point. There ARE some guilds that will probably recruit you as a lower level, but just as on normal servers, these probably aren't the "best".

 

[Gamah]

What are you supposed to know? xd

I'm not defending Alb/Excal ppl, but tell me, what do you base your vast knowledge on?

Probably my host of Mid/Excal chars ...

 

[Jaison X]

The feeling i get here is that almost all rvr guys dont have a clue of what they are saying. If you log in camlann, and u get killed by a purple, he may see you green.

Why should anyone dont kill people when being lvl 27-28 for rps? ok thats maybe hard, but if u die, u wont give him rps in the next 24 ho0urs (the deathblow owner doesnt get rps in 24hours from the same player)

At lvl 50. Its the most funny server, i've played both, rvr and camlann, but i liked camlann more. There arent zergs, lots of fg vs fg. you can send your enemies, to meet in Ardee etc, and make nice FG vs FG fights, with more guilds. There are LOTS of retards, that cant just stand in peace, and are graykilling etc... but dont tell me all rvr guys are nice... i miss the pvp so much in excalibur tbh.

I want to make a trade in exc, i ask a guy. he tell me: omg fucking retarded, don tmake me wait for 100 stupid gold pieces, damn poor noob.
in camlann he would be death. i hate the fact that i cant kill the bad guys of my realm, and i hate the fact of the zergs, and i hate the fact of cant talk with enemies.
Im not a flamer, i think, never, or few times i flamed anyone, and if i did, i was angry. ^^ very angry. But at lvl 50, camlann is so fun.

BTW, you can lvl easily to lvl 30 by pvp with a duo/trio. then you can go any of the realms, of the 3 realms + 3 SI + toa + catacombs to lvl, guy, with 700 players online, dont tell me u get ganked while exping.. i've exped my chars to 40 having just lvl 20-23 of pvp. then found nothing, or get killed once maybe, but almost everyone who kills u exping, will rez you.

i think you guys should give another chance to camlann, and it isnt that bad at all

Removing frontiers and Toa would make it better, or if they are going to remove it, gif my godbard a new house

/dont flame me about what i think.

 

[Phoebee-v-]

^^scary.... Nexus starts to look better every day in my eyes... Got so many valid points... But then you got skold/enkor in guild now that is worth all the :wub: you can get.

:worthy:

 

[Bahumat]

word

I don't know anyone who never tried camlann ... we all roled there once ... spend a couple of hours (or days or weeks) there and realised that it is the biggest pile off crap there is. You go to Camlann you're sure to get insulted/chained/ganked ...

If the Camlann population is REALLY that worried about increasing their numbers they might want to concider dropping the attitude ^^

so if your an alb and you die to a hib who is spamming /rude at you its no differet....if he could call you a "noob lamer ****" im sure he would.

the difference is ppl on camlann CAN send you a flame but on rvr its down to emotes.....

 

[Bahumat]

flame all you want, rvr ppl know little to nothing about pvp. here are some of the facts you blow wildly out of proportion...and i do know about rvr as i have a 50 mincer on alb pryd which i play quite a bit....plus i play in the same lan cafe as Fiannon, Martok, Tsabo or llano depending on which he plays, powin plus a few others. these guys are in good guilds so i always see/hear whats going plus i usually group with them.

1) "its shit cause you get ganked"
a level 20 character will con green all the way to a lvl 28 character, even a fully sc'd /20 will lose to anything lvl 25+...here's the good part tho.

Would you make a /20 with free armour and go to thidranki unbuffed? ok so a /20 with no money/items is going to do gr8 or rubbish against a lvl 24 with a few items?
Its exactly the same on pvp! you have to get a few items or your stats suck

i have a few 50's on pvp so when i make a /20 i get him nice items and it does pay off.

2)"everyone's a prick they grey kill you all day"
ok now its not always the case, more than likely you con green and thats why you died...the ppl who are purple to you are sometimes known to grey kill but thats like enkor said, the rvr ppl who play are sometimes the ones doing this.

us pvp people use mains to PL alts so we dont run about at /20.

3)"we're (RvR) a majority so tough luck PvP"
ok thats a very simplistic attitude to take, sorry guys your all in a sinking ship yet ours is fine so tough luck you gotta drown!

Goa/Mythic has a client base on camlann yet it seems neglected, rvr is all about being 50 and pvp is none different. many guilds have there groups run out but pvp due to lack of numbers does not have alot of fg's out. i think the free level idea would work better if it was a few days like hibernia's under populated realm....WERE AND UNDER POPULATED server.
My idea to overcome this is to increase the base xp you get on camlann so you lvl natuarlly faster than relying on a free lvl here and there.

4) "everyone is rude and swears etc"
scenario a, someone straffes you in combat and you die....you say irl "fuck sake lame strafe abuser" or scenario b, same as A but you win....you maybe do a /rude or /laugh.

if that guy beat you and you could call him a prick for bug abusing most ppl would do so. the respected lvl 50 guilds on pvp dont flame really, some of the french like to whine tho.

any time i say "i play pvp" on rvr i hear ppl give the usual "i played their once but died alot so i quit"

there is an element of narrow mindedness with these comments so i hope what i typed can open your eyes for a second.

if any GM's do read this please see if you can increase the amount of xp you get from any type of mobs so to increase our player base....ppl will stay if they can lvl quicker, if they stay more guilds will generate causing more competition when fg's go out. its a short request but the rough idea shows a reasoning to do so.

 

[Comos]

Nah.

Albs: zerging shits
Hibs: evening the underpopulated status
Mids: tactic

<yawns> whatever you say

 

[Belomar]

Camlann regulars claim they want more people to join their server and community, but even after you've survived the ordeal of getting to 50, the fun continues when you try to visit ToA and get chained by the griefers camping the havens and djinns all over the place.

 

[Rediknight]

Can i just shatter an illusion i think a hell of a lot of you folks appear to hold?

I (thats Me, Myself and I) do NOT have a buffbot. I do NOT have an endless queue of crafters in my stable. I do NOT have a bottomless pit of cash to throw to all my /levelled alts.

Now, where all of them above make me something of a novelty amongst this community, i will now shock you even more - I ENJOY A FUCKIN CHALLENGE!!!! This is where i make myself a new class, head into Camelot (many of you might not even know where that is, but no matter...) and beg a load of free gear from the NPC's out of their home. I then go and hunt anything i can to raise a few quid, and if im lucky, maybe a drop or two.

By the time im 22nd, im bored of low-level solo PvE, so i head out to Thid:

NO buffs
NO bot
NO twinked SC'd armour
NO ToA artifacts
NO proccing weapons

you see what im gettin at here? I go in what im given, and nish else. It frankly concerns me that some people, after THREE YEARS are still so unsociably obsessed with "winning" this game, that they will spend days working on a template, which is to last them only 4 seasons...

Im goin down the pub...

 

[GReaper]

If the PvP servers need more players, they seriously need to be made more friendly - even if it does make the server a bit less 'hardcore'.

What if con loss was removed on death? Or if thats going a bit too far, con loss only applies if an enemy of equal or lower level kills you - any orange con or higher enemy killing you would not result in you losing any con. You'd still have the risk of an exp death if you're in PvE combat though.

But for those levelling on Camlann, with SI/ToA/Catacombs, theres a lot of exping area in all of the 3 realms. Surely it isn't too difficult to find some area which people barely even know about?

 

[Laws]

There is an easy way to get more people on Camlann and that would be to allow people from the regular servers a single character copy across.

Dont know how this would go down with the Camlann population though.

 

[Yoshimo]

/inserts flamebait
rvr is easier thats why most play it

 

[Andrilyn]

Played on Camlann with my shammy all the way to level 50 (aug spec) had no money at the start to gear no nothing and I must admit there are some complete bastards on Camlann more then on a normal server.
People here who like to defend camlann are like "well maybe you were green con to him" well from all the times I've been killed (little defense early on as an aug shammy) I can assure you that 80 out of the 100 times I've been killed it's was by a pimped out ToA char (GoV, Battler etc) correct me if I am wrong but level 28-30 players don't have those items.. but atleast you don't lose any con or money once they kill you.
Or they kill you then rez you then kill you etc so you can just aswell do /release city but then you have lost loads of con which you ain't ever going to be able to repay at level 20-30.

Camlann had it's ups and downs for me and I might consider playing it again but only if someone I know from the "normal" server(s) would join but it's just that 95% of the people aren't going to like it due to the constant grey ganking (no not green ganking) and all the abuse you get and never be able to do something in peace.
And theres a differance between a line full of swear words or a /rude, I don't mind people emoting me but if someone would constantly send me abuse and all kind of f*cked up things (yes I know about /ignore) then I don't feel like playing anymore and then I am not even talking about the people who abuse lag to jump to certain area's and nuke people from rooftops or something like that.

They need to make some changes to Camlann if they want more people to come there which will like other people already said make it less "hardcore" but I think they won't do that and Camlann will eventually die out in a few months/years.

 

[Yoshimo]

camlann wont die and im not gonna defend the fact that grey killing goes on. some conditions which are associated with grey killing which arent usually considered:
- you attacked the player on an alt and hes taking revenge, sad but it happens
- you attacked the player on that char in an attempt to leech xp/rp or inadvertantly using ae spells.
- you killed a low lvl friend of the player, sad but it happens
- someone attempted to leech the player and you happened to be standing near him, you get confused for being grouped with him and get killed, (this the one that happens to me the most)

 

[Deepflame]

I played on Camlann a couple of times, though, mostly in a mood where I was like "Ah wtf, who cares what happens", I /leveled some fotm toon and jumped anything else I saw /level, after I politely asked if they were done training. Most of the times I just ended up dead, so eventually I decided to go through that portal in mid SI and check out some cave nearby I saw on the /map. (I'm a complete noob to Midgard.) At the stable there was some level 50 guy trying to gank others taking a horse, but not having much luck. Eventually he came after my bother and I who were watching it from a distance, so we ran into the dungeon and hid behind a rock until he finally left. Was quite a laugh to be honest.

Camlann is very tiring to play on, but I definitely enjoyed the little time I played there. I wouldn't mind playing there to 50, but eh, it takes so much time and I'm definitely not used to playing solo. Plus my favourite class is a Cleric and I kinda dread rolling one.

I'm sure Camlann has, just like any server, it's fair share of retards and mature people. Camlann just has the retards more bunched up together and they're more able to mess up your fun, whereas in PVE you can just ignore them and kill mobs somewhere else.

When I play on Camlann I expect to get ganked all the time, it's kinda what makes it interesting. As a lowbie you just gotta know how to gtfo and run. I mean, on Prydwen grey cons in RvR get just as ganked, with the only difference being that they can't get ganked by malicious people while exping.

I liked the earlier idea of the good guys vs the griefers thing. That'd be funny. Maybe you should go to the newbie areas a bit more often to help out newbies and protect them, and/or give them some cash to pay for their constitution restore. I don't know much about the Camlann economy, but 5g can't be that much to a level 50 there either, whereas it pays for quite a bit of con-restore for a level 20.

 

[Bahumat]

There is an easy way to get more people on Camlann and that would be to allow people from the regular servers a single character copy across.

Dont know how this would go down with the Camlann population though.

i once said about this but i was quickly informed that ppl would be uber rich plus ml10...i would say of the best guilds on pvp only a small percentage are ml8 (highest ml on server i think) and in terms of money there are a few ppl with more plats than they will ever need, but most ppl are not insanely rich on pvp as most rvr players.

 

[Gamah]

i once said about this but i was quickly informed that ppl would be uber rich plus ml10...i would say of the best guilds on pvp only a small percentage are ml8 (highest ml on server i think) and in terms of money there are a few ppl with more plats than they will ever need, but most ppl are not insanely rich on pvp as most rvr players.

+ uber toa suits

 

[Bahumat]

+ uber toa suits

haha and we will have all them radar user's you all seem to find lol

 

[Nedo]

Camlann regulars claim they want more people to join their server and community, but even after you've survived the ordeal of getting to 50, the fun continues when you try to visit ToA and get chained by the griefers camping the havens and djinns all over the place.

/bind /release => move. We all been in that situation, we all learned to do it. Can't expect to just step into a new kind of server and be used to it, or to play as you did on the other server Fighting is/was in TOA most of time that wont change, not really hard to get away from havens though. Adapt is the key word to playing Cam.

 

[Bonelamencer]

-make toa pk free zone or remove it at all
-newbie zones should be safe zones
-add pve bonuses as for underpopulated realm

 

[Svartmetall]

Here is someone that hasn't even tried camlann or at least don't know the ruleset. Post facts not BS.

Lol of course I've tried Camlann, and of course getting chain-ganked by purple-con idiots was what it was like. The facts are that what I described is what Camlann's like for the vast majority of people. Why do you think the vast majority of people choose not to play there? My last experience of Camlann: log in, /lvl, and get immediately (as in while the 'ding' graphic is still dissipating) get PA'd by TWO stealthers. Who then proceed to /rude and /laugh at my corpse. Rinse and repeat. Great way to convince people to come play your server...that's why Camlann has such a small population, who the hell wants to come and play in an environment like that? Complete waste of time. You want to use the icon, use it for morons like that pair, who are successfully driving players away in droves. Otherwise by using it you run the risk of just looking like a yourself...

It's not some mysterious policy of ignoring you by GOA, it's the fact that the PvP ruleset and the kind of server environment it results in just does not appeal to the vast majority of DAOC players. Or else how do you explain the fact that Camlann has had such a low population for such a long time now? And how do you explain the fact that Andred was shut down?

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