Politics General Election 2017

[DaGaffer]

That really depends on how you define anti-semitism. It's enough for me to never want him to be PM:


View: https://medium.com/@dijdowell/red-lines-43de8d38bda6

I never want him to be PM because he'd be terrible. No smear campaign necessary. I've actually found his whole attitude to Brexit disgusting; he's as pro-Brexit (for different reasons) as the most foaming-at-the-mouth Rees-Mogg clone, but he hides behind the referendum result and does nothing, and did nothing, for the last two years. He doesn't actually care about the British people in the slightest.

 

[Job]

He cares about half of us.

 

[DaGaffer]

He cares about half of us.

He really, really doesn't. For him politics is an intellectual exercise, he doesn't actually want to deal with anything as grubby as actual voters. Especially not working-class ones. He's also got a very Soviet view on political dissent.

 

[Job]

Undoubtedly and this has been the scourge of socialism since it started.
They only get into power under the cover of conservatism.
Surely this was all pointed out the day they voted him in, how the fuck he has survived this long is beyond me, presumably they are just waiting with a hardman in the wings to reinvent Labour again.

 

[Gwadien]

Undoubtedly and this has been the scourge of socialism since it started.
They only get into power under the cover of conservatism.
Surely this was all pointed out the day they voted him in, how the fuck he has survived this long is beyond me, presumably they are just waiting with a hardman in the wings to reinvent Labour again.

Because he still has a massive support base amongst the populace, and people that see all the shit that the media is focusing on about Corbyn and having the exact same response Trump supporters have.

Ultimately we need an overhaul in politics, I dunno who's going to achieve it, but it just seems bizarre that certain subjects which are controversial (but not as bad as being photographed with ISIS) aren't debated in Parliament.

I think the vast majority of people probably actually agree with his recent zionist comments, because they are completely fucking true.

Corbyn needs to go, but by attacking his views on policies which much of his support agree with is a bizarre way of doing it.

There needs to be a younger figure who has similar views to Corbyn but can still teeter to the middle ground on certain subjects, the last thing Labour need to do now is lose the votes of the young.

 

[Scouse]

That really depends on how you define anti-semitism.

Yes, yes it does doesn't it. That's what the whole kerfuffle is about - Israel wants to conflate criticism of it's racist policies with antisemitism so they gain legitimacy when shutting up legitimate political discourse by smearing their critics with unfounded allegations of antisemitism.

If they can change the definition of antisemitism then they can start accusing people of hate crimes - and get people who think Israel being founded for people of a particular religion, rather than for all it's population equally, locked up for saying so.

I think you harping on about a man who's clearly spent his life fighting racism and, inconveniently, Israeli racism, simply plays into the hands of this despicable state.

God knows the media is being obviously manipulated by this constant drip-feed of non-stories and then the streams of faux-outrage op-ed pieces that follow each one, but I find it galling that so obvious a tactic is working...

 

[Gwadien]

Criticising Zionist Judaism is similar to criticising Wahhabi Islam beliefs.

Don't get me wrong, knock yourself out making yourself a country, but history has shown us that Zionist Judaism is militant, which is bad, right?

 

[Scouse]

Criticising Zionist Judaism is similar to criticising Wahhabi Islam beliefs.

Don't get me wrong, knock yourself out making yourself a country, but history has shown us that Zionist Judaism is militant, which is bad, right?

Fucking antisemite. I'm reporting you to the po-po for a hate crime. You'll be locked up for this disgraceful shit. There are limits to free speech you know.

 

[Job]

Im confused, is this all being stirred up by the Ruskies?

 

[Wij]

Im confused, is this all being stirred up by the Ruskies?

In this case I wouldn't have thought so. Corbyn is a classic tankie.

 

[Wij]

The Green Party has a lot of explaining to do:

Green Party statement: Aimee Challenor stands down in Green Party Deputy Leadership race

Google for more context. Warning: disturbing case

 

[Job]

I was open minded about the chances of her making it up until they found naked pictures of her on his camera and the exact same equipment she described in his attic.
Was this fucknut just trying to get caught.

 

[fettoken]

Thank god he didn't bury her somewhere.

 

[Scouse]

The Green Party has a lot of explaining to do:

Green Party statement: Aimee Challenor stands down in Green Party Deputy Leadership race

I won't google for more context, sounds grim enough, but is the story "daughter of paedophile gets suspended from party"? Did she know he was being prosecuted? I guess there's a register of ongoing prosecutions that the greens should be checking their candidates / involved people against?


Anyway:

Antisemitic?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBig5p0yBNE

 

[Job]

What goes around comes around.

Sadiq Khan BIKINI blimp: 29 FOOT balloon will fly over the capital on Saturday

 

[caLLous]

And he responded to it like a grown-up person, unlike your orange hero.

 

[Wij]

Corbyn is so outside the mainstream of Labour he trashes the achievements of the Attlee government:


View: https://twitter.com/NudderingNudnik/status/1034494951822946310

 

[Gwadien]

Corbyn is so outside the mainstream of Labour he trashes the achievements of the Attlee government:


View: https://twitter.com/NudderingNudnik/status/1034494951822946310

He's not wrong though...

 

[Wij]

He's not wrong though...

Yes he is. NATO was formed in the late 40s after the Soviet Union had occupied Eastern European countries in 44 and refused to leave.

Cause. Effect.

Even before the war they invaded Poland in the 20s.

 

[Scouse]

Corbyn is so outside the mainstream of Labour he trashes the achievements of the Attlee government

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zaNJnpLOQ


4:45 mins in is interesting.

Meh. He's anti-war.

 

[Wij]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zaNJnpLOQ


4:45 mins in is interesting.

Meh. He's anti-war.

Then he should support NATO. If NATO hadn't been there the Soviet Union could have picked off European countries one by one. Only the threat of a military alliance bigger than the USSR prevented it.

But of course to tankies 'anti-war' has a rather different meaning.

 

[DaGaffer]

Then he should support NATO. If NATO hadn't been there the Soviet Union could have picked off European countries one by one. Only the threat of a military alliance bigger than the USSR prevented it.

Yes. So keep going...why would he support NATO?

 

[Wij]

Yes. So keep going...why would he support NATO?

I edited my post to make that clearer

 

[DaGaffer]

What's a "tankie"?

 

[Wij]

What's a "tankie"?

Someone who is sympathetic to the USSR and espouses moral relativism and whataboutery in comparison to the west.

tankie - Wiktionary

Still used today for those 'anti-imperialists' who never say diddly squat about the imperialist ambitions of Putin.

 

[Scouse]

tankie - Wiktionary

You learn something new every day.

 

[Jupitus]

I thought it was someone who still wears tank tops...

 

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1034680778733637633


Made me laugh anyway.

 

[Job]

The Guard is split..its comment article is backing Field, while leftie lbgtxyz champion Owen Jones has decided a life time Labour MP no longer fits the new order.

And now its getting really juicy.

Labour threatens to immediately kick out Frank Field

 

[Wij]

The Guard is split..its comment article is backing Field, while leftie lbgtxyz champion Owen Jones has decided a life time Labour MP no longer fits the new order.

And now its getting really juicy.

Labour threatens to immediately kick out Frank Field

Even though I like some Labour MPs. I dislike FF almost as much as JC so it's no skin off my nose either way.