Politics General Election 2017

[Embattle]

Yes there was the obvious mistake but it is the amount they are planning to spend the money on, bearing in mind they don't even have it yet.

 

[Raven]

Bit like the SNP and all the money from oil.

 

[Job]

So Dianne Abbot had a brain fade moment over policing costs..corrected herself after getting the figures wrong..its huge news apparently...well in the twattersphere at least, now she the laughing stock of labour.
Jesus fuk..is this how its going to be, no wonder May doesnt want a TV debate.

 

[Raven]

Technically she did correct herself. But was still wildly wrong.

Not only is she a horrible racist but also an idiot.

 

[Tom]

It's pretty embarrassing but I'd rather we focused on the policies, not the individuals.

 

[Bodhi]

It's pretty embarrassing but I'd rather we focused on the policies, not the individuals.

I think we did, as this was kicked off with the usual question for Labour - how are we going to afford this?

 

[Wij]

I think we did, as this was kicked off with the usual question for Labour - how are we going to afford this?

It's OK. It's only £300,000 over 4 years. Bargain.

 

[Gumbo]

And that's the kind of idiotic thundercunt you'll get in charge if Labour were to get into power. You lefties really think that anyone that stupid will make life better for anyone? You're as pig shit stupid as she is if you do. (No offence)

 

[Jupitus]

It's pretty embarrassing but I'd rather we focused on the policies, not the individuals.

You mean an election based on issues and not personalities?

Wait for it....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2MQEYrjmZs

 

[Tom]

I think we did, as this was kicked off with the usual question for Labour - how are we going to afford this?

We're a pretty rich country, we can afford a lot more than we currently have. A great deal of money could be saved simply by investing in sustainable transport infrastructure, for instance. You could save the NHS billions each year with policies designed to reduce smoking, greed and alcoholism. You could treat drug addiction as a medical problem, not a criminal problem. You could push for an end to tax havens. Of course, things like this require politicians who are prepared to do the right thing at the cost of their careers.

A few thousand extra police officers is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall budget.

 

[Embattle]

As I said, even the so called correct figures are utter rubbish because they seem to be using this illusionary money loss through a reduction in CGT to pay for quite a few increases in expenditure in different areas.

 

[Bodhi]

We're a pretty rich country, we can afford a lot more than we currently have. A great deal of money could be saved simply by investing in sustainable transport infrastructure, for instance. You could save the NHS billions each year with policies designed to reduce smoking, greed and alcoholism. You could treat drug addiction as a medical problem, not a criminal problem. You could push for an end to tax havens. Of course, things like this require politicians who are prepared to do the right thing at the cost of their careers.

A few thousand extra police officers is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall budget.

Sorry, but if you managed to eradicate smoking overnight, all your taxes would be going up to pay for the shortfall - even if you assume no more smoking related diseases to treat, that's still a £12 billion tax hole to fund. I'll agree on booze and obesity, but if you want to save the NHS cash, encouraging smoking would probably be a better idea or even better, cancel any outstanding PFI contracts.

Sustainable transport might work if there's a viable option out there apart from Tesla (which are less viable or sustainable than Elon would have you believe), and even if there was you'd create another fuel duty sized hole that needs to be filled.

Drug addiction? Yes agree with that - look at tax revenues in Colorado after weed was legalised for proof, and would probably help with the fixing drunk people issue.

Tax havens? Would require reforming international Tax law for that one, for which I'll say best of luck.

 

[Raven]

They will legalise and tax weed soon, they have to. Its a waste of time and money stopping it.

 

[Tom]

Sorry, but if you managed to eradicate smoking overnight, all your taxes would be going up to pay for the shortfall - even if you assume no more smoking related diseases to treat, that's still a £12 billion tax hole to fund.

I don't agree. Smoking not only costs the NHS a lot of money, it costs our society a lot of money through lost productivity and dead people: people who cost a lot of money to educate and train in whatever field they were working. And it isn't as though the money they're no longer spending on tobacco would magically disappear - they'd spend it on other stuff. And that other stuff will be taxed. They'd spend it on holidays, or home improvement, or technology - whatever suits them. Even alcohol. All are more beneficial to society than cigarettes, which do nothing useful whatsoever (yes I know you'll disagree here but face it, you're addicted to the stuff).

It isn't a "you can either have this, or that, but not both" game.

 

[Bodhi]

It doesn't cost the NHS a lot of money though, it funds it! Last numbers I saw were £12 billion raised in taxes, versus £3 billion cost in treating us.

And sure, I could spend the money on other stuff, but other stuff that would bring in the same level of tax? Not a chance.

 

[Tom]

It doesn't cost the NHS a lot of money though, it funds it! Last numbers I saw were £12 billion raised in taxes, versus £3 billion cost in treating us.

And sure, I could spend the money on other stuff, but other stuff that would bring in the same level of tax? Not a chance.

Lost productivity through illness and premature death means a weaker economy, which means less tax, which means less money to pay for stuff. Like the NHS.

Smoking doesn't pay for anything - it costs society dearly.

 

[Raven]

I come up with some of my greatest ideas while having a smoke. I am productive as fuck with a tab in my hand.

 

[Wij]

I come up with some of my greatest ideas while having a smoke. I am productive as fuck with a tab in my hand.

For me it's wanking.

 

[Gumbo]

You should be careful Wij, you could burn it.

 

[Bodhi]

Lost productivity through illness and premature death means a weaker economy, which means less tax, which means less money to pay for stuff. Like the NHS.

Smoking doesn't pay for anything - it costs society dearly.

I'll assume you haven't seen the amount of tax on a packet of Marlboro these days then. All of which goes to the NHS (apparently). So yes, it is funding it.

Given your average smoker will usually pop off after retirement (UK life expectancy is 80, and if we assume, as we are told, that smoking takes 7 years off someone's life, that's still post retirement), so don't really agree that us popping off early harms the economy - especially when you factor in 7 years of pensions we don't have to pay.

 

[Job]

Jesus , the price of cigarettes, the wifes sister gave me a tenner to get twenty silk something..it wasn't enough.
10.20 for a pack of 20...thats 50p each.

On a similar note, I pulled into a minty newsagents near Goddison ground, very poor area, like 75% benefits...this pisshead, who was canned at 11am is trying to buy a scratchcard, she keeps asking for a number one and they guy says she hasn't got enough money.
I don't buy them..but holy fuck, the top card is a tenner!, followed by a fiver.
A fucking 10 quid scratchcard in a run down benefits area...what the living fuck, she pulls out another tenner to buy it and the half bottle of vodka....there's your tax dollars at work guys.

Another moan of mine, Goodison football ground, full of millionaires, surrounded by run down terraced side streets, people set up chairs in the roads, the entire street comes to watch if you pull up..you know the type.
They spend every penny they've got on season tickets, beer, betting and ciggies.

 

[DaGaffer]

Jesus , the price of cigarettes, the wifes sister gave me a tenner to get twenty silk something..it wasn't enough.
10.20 for a pack of 20...thats 50p each.

On a similar note, I pulled into a minty newsagents near Goddison ground, very poor area, like 75% benefits...this pisshead, who was canned at 11am is trying to buy a scratchcard, she keeps asking for a number one and they guy says she hasn't got enough money.
I don't buy them..but holy fuck, the top card is a tenner!, followed by a fiver.
A fucking 10 quid scratchcard in a run down benefits area...what the living fuck, she pulls out another tenner to buy it and the half bottle of vodka....there's your tax dollars at work guys.

Another moan of mine, Goodison football ground, full of millionaires, surrounded by run down terraced side streets, people set up chairs in the roads, the entire street comes to watch if you pull up..you know the type.
They spend every penny they've got on season tickets, beer, betting and ciggies.

Getting poor people to buy expensive scratchcards is much more prevalent in the US, lots of state lotteries have $50 scratchcards. The UK is actually one of the more restricted markets (I think the UK is actually allowed to go up to £20).

 

[Gwadien]

Getting poor people to buy expensive scratchcards is much more prevalent in the US, lots of state lotteries have $50 scratchcards. The UK is actually one of the more restricted markets (I think the UK is actually allowed to go up to £20).
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Please tell me it's a European gambling law.

 

[Raven]

It must be, I heard all useful and or fair laws are EU and all evil ones are UK.

 

[Raven]

Anyway, if you can afford to smoke or buy scratch cards, then you are lying if you claim poverty.

 

[DaGaffer]

Please tell me it's a European gambling law.

Actually there aren't any "European Gambling Laws". Gambling regulation varies wildly from country to country. The rules for what the National Lottery can do come from the Gambling Commission, which regulates all UK gambling and is actually pretty good at creating a consistent playing field; in Ireland only the lottery is regulated, but the bookies aren't (not by the state anyway). In Germany the state controls almost everything (same in Norway and Scandinavia) so there's no private sector gambling in the country at all. In Norway all gambling, betting, lotto, everything, online or offline, needs a state supplied gaming ID card.

 

[caLLous]

Ok now she just sounds paranoid.

 

[Raven]

Well, as usual lots of people are getting themselves excited over things that don't matter that appear in the press. Though not really the EUs fault, more just the idiocy of those that cannot form an opinion of their own.

 

[Raven]

Tory gains, Labour losses, UKIP wipe out in the council elections and seeing as people are too dumb to separate council from government it will probably end up like that at the general election.

 

[Job]

I cant get my head around the Labour vote drop..you vote for the party, not some temporary idiot.
What are they doing?
Punishing the party..making a point?
Vote them in and then pressure the party to drop Corbyn.