Politics General Election 2017

[BloodOmen]

Tories can give away 15 points and still win

Well, 6 weeks to go or so? plenty of time for that.

 

[Job]

Except polls..are we believing them again now?

 

[Raven]

Basically. Take the poll figures and add in 20% margin for error.

 

[Raven]

I don't get what that silly little cunt Nuttall thinks he is going to achieve? Hasn't it already been pointed out that he just can't get elected? Perfect man for the UKIP job ofc because it means they will essentially become a lobbying comity as they will have zero MPs, so good for the country. Baffling as to why someone would want to waste so much time and energy though.

 

[Job]

The obvious problem for Ukip is the brand is so toxic that no sensible politician wants to represent it..so they get tinpots like Nuttal.
I believe liberalism doesnt actually exist, its just millions of people afraid to be seen to have the slightest right wing thought.
Like a 10 milluin people stood around Tracy Emins bed 'art', all falling over each other to describe how fucking amazing it is.

 

[Raven]

Proper liberalism is long dead, now the movement is just full of people that haven't met the "real world" yet. Middle class millennials that have never had to worry about anything important, telling people how they should think.

 

[Gwadien]

Proper liberalism is long dead, now the movement is just full of people that haven't met the "real world" yet. Middle class millennials that have never had to worry about anything important, telling people how they should think.

And the right wing movement is full of neo-nazis

Ridiculous generalisations is a super fun game.

 

[Raven]

Well, the right wing isn't full of Nazis.

That would be kind of dumb seeing as nazism is ultra left wing, but whatevs.

 

[Ctuchik]

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties

Interesting read if accurate..

Racists being right wing probably fits quite well then.

 

[Raven]

Its an interesting subject but the Nazi party were seriously left wing when they started out and it was only during the war that they leaned more towards the right and only then it was though necessity rather than a political or social ideal. Having said that, Hitler did after all arrange for the really left leaning chaps to get killed off pretty early on so...

Its not like liberalism is purely left wing anyway...not real liberalism anyway...and as mentioned, modern liberalism has very little basis in reality, just lots of rich kids on a gap year.

 

[Bodhi]

I always thought the clue for Adolf and his mates was in the name of their party, the National Socialists. I mean sure, he did kill lots of people he didn't like, but then, over history that is more of a left wing thing tbh (Stalin, Mao etc).

 

[Wij]

Its an interesting subject but the Nazi party were seriously left wing when they started out and it was only during the war that they leaned more towards the right and only then it was though necessity rather than a political or social ideal. Having said that, Hitler did after all arrange for the really left leaning chaps to get killed off pretty early on so...

Its not like liberalism is purely left wing anyway...not real liberalism anyway...and as mentioned, modern liberalism has very little basis in reality, just lots of rich kids on a gap year.

Liberal traditionally meant something rather different to what Americans now mean by it. They need to read some J S Mill.

 

[Gwadien]

Liberal traditionally meant something rather different to what Americans now mean by it. They need to read some J S Mill.

Problem is that Raven also thinks that 'liberals' in the UK and America are the same, which they simply are not.

I also find it amusing that socialists are more left wing, and are more prevalent in the UK, however, the 'Liberals' still get the flack.

#trumphypetrain.

 

[Raven]

Problem is that Raven also thinks that 'liberals' in the UK and America are the same, which they simply are not.

I also find it amusing that socialists are more left wing, and are more prevalent in the UK, however, the 'Liberals' still get the flack.

#trumphypetrain.

Once again, source. Please.

Where have I said anything of the sort?

Also, its not the socialists screaming a load of bollocks for something to do while they wait for daddy to clear the credit card bill.

 

[Job]

BBC article reality check on Nuttys immigration figures..he says a city the size of Newcastle was net imported.in one year and the gross is two cities .
They then went on to claim at 290K Newcastle was 18K more than the net figures.
So hes right then.

 

[DaGaffer]

BBC article reality check on Nuttys immigration figures..he says a city the size of Newcastle was net imported.in one year and the gross is two cities .
They then went on to claim at 290K Newcastle was 18K more than the net figures.
So hes right then.

So?

 

[Raven]

They went short of calling him a horrible little ballbag.

Terrible reporting.

 

[Raven]

I actually have a terrible fear he might raise his dumb looking face round here. The corrupt little cunt Tory they had here has just fucked himself off and the town voted for Brexit, the old guy, who was actually pretty good, has said he might put his name in the hat.

Northampton Town loan: 'Right time' for MP David Mackintosh to go - BBC News

We could end up with that pretend scouser and that fuckwit Andrea Leadsom

 

[Job]

So?

I guess the fact that most of them just squeezed into garages and garden sheds or another 20 into that bedsit in London doesnt bother you, but bringing in cheap labour to keep the rich in Ferraris is of concern to me.

 

[DaGaffer]

I guess the fact that most of them just squeezed into garages and garden sheds or another 20 into that bedsit in London doesnt bother you, but bringing in cheap labour to keep the rich in Ferraris is of concern to me.

Well a. no, it doesn't bother me because its not particularly true.
b. context. "A city the size of Newcastle", oooh, scary. Or, a 0.44% increase in population; not so scary (actually less than 0.44% because the birth rate outstripped deaths by about 150K).

 

[Raven]

I actually have a terrible fear he might raise his dumb looking face round here. The corrupt little cunt Tory they had here has just fucked himself off and the town voted for Brexit, the old guy, who was actually pretty good, has said he might put his name in the hat.

Northampton Town loan: 'Right time' for MP David Mackintosh to go - BBC News

We could end up with that pretend scouser and that fuckwit Andrea Leadsom

General election 2017: UKIP leader Paul Nuttall to stand in Boston and Skegness - BBC News

Thank fuck for that.

 

[BloodOmen]

This shit has to stop and sadly it won't stop until the Tories are out.

DWP tells bed-ridden stroke victim to use food banks after admin error cuts benefits

 

[Job]

Obviously a mistake..bound to happen when you are trying to cut 100s of thousands of disability scroungers who have fuck all wrong with them.
In Liverpool and I'm sure in most places, the favourite is depression..half of the sink estates are on prozac, have fibromalgia and ME.
Their kids are all on the autism spectrum which now extends to 'wont go to bed'.
Heres a tip..if you want disability..never be honest..just say your ME is making you depressed.
They will take benefits off a guy with no arms and one leg because he can hop, but say you have ME and its everyday in the bookies and the alehouse for you.

 

[BloodOmen]

Obviously a mistake..bound to happen when you are trying to cut 100s of thousands of disability scroungers who have fuck all wrong with them.
In Liverpool and I'm sure in most places, the favourite is depression..half of the sink estates are on prozac, have fibromalgia and ME.
Their kids are all on the autism spectrum which now extends to 'wont go to bed'.
Heres a tip..if you want disability..never be honest..just say your ME is making you depressed.
They will take benefits off a guy with no arms and one leg because he can hop, but say you have ME and its everyday in the bookies and the alehouse for you.

Yea, fair enough - mistakes do happen but given the DWP was under investigation by the UN (yes, the UN) for human rights abuses over how they've handled Disabled people, it's not exactly helping their cause.

 

[Gwadien]

Benefit fraud v tax evasion: Which costs more?

 

[Bodhi]

Benefit fraud v tax evasion: Which costs more?

Nice of that article to lump evasion (which is illegal and should be clamped down on) and avoidance (which isn't). Not blurring the issue at all that.

 

[Embattle]

Benefit fraud v tax evasion: Which costs more?

To me you tackle both at same time.

 

[Job]

Avoidance is legal and the taxman adjusts for it..you woud be an idiot not to use legal avoidance schemes, they are there for the best outcome of both sides.

 

[Bodhi]

Just to show how little understanding there is of the topic in general, I heard someone the other day claim Facebook were avoiding taxes by paying their staff bonuses.

That's bonuses that we get 45% of in income tax, versus the 20% we'd get if they declared that as profit.

*facepalm *

 

[caLLous]

Diane Abbott's Agonising Interview Over Police Policy Cost - LBC

Yeesh.