Politics General Election 2017

If the General Election was today, how would you vote?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 19 35.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 15 27.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 10 18.5%
  • Ukip

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green

    Votes: 5 9.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • Total voters
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DaGaffer

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No. You just can't criticise them for being Jews.

Just like you can't criticise black people for being black or muslims for being muslims.

All of which you do - which makes you a bigotted racist cunt.

I haven’t read anything about this whole Labour/anti Semitic thing because frankly the internal workings of the Labour Party are fucking tedious at the best of times; so...is it true? Or are they just anti-Israel/anti-Zionist and this is the usual play-the-man-not-the-ball shit when it comes to Israel criticism?
 

Wij

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I haven’t read anything about this whole Labour/anti Semitic thing because frankly the internal workings of the Labour Party are fucking tedious at the best of times; so...is it true? Or are they just anti-Israel/anti-Zionist and this is the usual play-the-man-not-the-ball shit when it comes to Israel criticism?
Corbyn ‘suspected hand of Israel’ in Egypt bombing during Press TV interview

PressTV. I.E. Iranian state propaganda channel. That's pretty concerning in itself.
 

Gwadien

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Corbyn ‘suspected hand of Israel’ in Egypt bombing during Press TV interview

PressTV. I.E. Iranian state propaganda channel. That's pretty concerning in itself.

So?

I don't understand if we live in a free democracy then surely it shouldn't matter.

We don't mind our politicians on American/Israeli etc state propaganda channels, why are we bothered about Iran?

Actually, Iran is a pretty interesting country in itself - why do we hate Iran? Is it because they've adopted a hardcore religion or is it more because they hate America and therefore we should too?
 

Scouse

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I haven’t read anything about this whole Labour/anti Semitic thing because frankly the internal workings of the Labour Party are fucking tedious at the best of times; so...is it true? Or are they just anti-Israel/anti-Zionist and this is the usual play-the-man-not-the-ball shit when it comes to Israel criticism?
It's the latter IMO. Of course there are going to be a small handful of asshats - but they exist cross-party.

To me it looks like Israel lobby wants these "examples" codified as they look to give protections to zionism and Israel rather than being about antisemitism.

Labour are getting a proper kicking though. What surprises me is that the grauniad are one of the biggest kickers - you'd have thought that both sides of that argument would be getting promoted by them, but not really...
 

Wij

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So?

I don't understand if we live in a free democracy then surely it shouldn't matter.

We don't mind our politicians on American/Israeli etc state propaganda channels, why are we bothered about Iran?

Actually, Iran is a pretty interesting country in itself - why do we hate Iran? Is it because they've adopted a hardcore religion or is it more because they hate America and therefore we should too?
Because the Iranian state runs a shitty regime that denies freedom to its people and is a close ally of Putin's shitty regime, both of which see the 'west' including the UK as an enemy maybe?

Because if he truly cared about Iranian people he would be supporting protestors in Iran not the shitty regime maybe?
 

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I think Corbyn is 'I don't care if they're my enemy or my friend - I'm just going to say what I honestly think' - which is a problem for lots of people.

Who cares if we're enemies with <insert country of choice> right now? In twenty years we may be best buddies again. And fall out again after that...
 

Scouse

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His endorsement of Hamas as evidenced by his appearance on Press TV does leave us wondering what his position on the existence of Israel as a Jewish state is
There's your problem in black and white.

I think the existence of Israel as a Jewish state is pure idiocy. There's a lot of people who would accuse me of being antisemitic for that - but I think states should be aligned along secular grounds otherwise you institutionalise religious bigotry.

As can be seen in Israel right now...
 

Wij

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Getting into 'Just Saying...' territory but there are 22 Arab states and yet 1 Jewish state is unacceptable?
 

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Who cares if we're enemies with <insert country of choice> right now? In twenty years we may be best buddies again. And fall out again after that...
That's precisely the point. There are many good and brave people in Iran that we should be supporting. The regime which PressTV advocates is absolutely against those people. It's not about the country or its people at all. You get paid to shill a regime on its propaganda outlet then you should expect people to call you out on it. I didn't see him saying how he thinks women shouldn't be forced to wear hijabs or that political prisoners should face fair trials. I just saw him agreeing with the host that Israel was behind some murders without any actual proof because of course it must be Israel.
 

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Getting into 'Just Saying...' territory but there are 22 Arab states and yet 1 Jewish state is unacceptable?
Two wrongs (or 23 wrongs) don't make a right.

Secularisation. One state at a time.

Conditional on continued financial and military assistance IMO.
 

Scouse

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That's precisely the point. There are many good and brave people in Iran that we should be supporting. The regime which PressTV advocates is absolutely against those people. It's not about the country or its people at all. You get paid to shill a regime on its propaganda outlet then you should expect people to call you out on it. I didn't see him saying how he thinks women shouldn't be forced to wear hijabs or that political prisoners should face fair trials. I just saw him agreeing with the host that Israel was behind some murders without any actual proof because of course it must be Israel.
I don't disagree, but they're not calling him out on that - they're calling him out on his criticism of Israel and defence of Palestine.
 

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I don't disagree, but they're not calling him out on that - they're calling him out on his criticism of Israel and defence of Palestine.
I'm not saying you don't have to read between the lines but given that there wasn't a shred of evidence against Israel for the killings and his reasoning seemed to go like 'there's no way Arabs would kill anyone during Ramadan' then it certainly scans like Arabs = trustworthy, Jews = not.
 

Scouse

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Also, PressTV has a history of Anti-semitism, not just anti-Israeli-state:

Press TV controversies - Wikipedia

If you are happy to appear on it then you should expect to be asked about it.
Yep. Again, agreed. But someone's had to dig hard to find shit on a TV station that's not broadcast in the west to find Corbyn saying "I suspect..." and then hammering incredibly hard on that.

It's hardly the most inflammatory statement - and certainly not anti-semitic.

I mean, we suspect Rusdia is involved in all sorts of shit. We say it all the time. Some people have said it on dodgy news channels where wankers have appeared. Does that make us 'racist' or is it hard evidence that we're supportive of said wankers opinions?
 

Bodhi

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Yep. Again, agreed. But someone's had to dig hard to find shit on a TV station that's not broadcast in the west to find Corbyn saying "I suspect..." and then hammering incredibly hard on that.

It's hardly the most inflammatory statement - and certainly not anti-semitic.

I mean, we suspect Rusdia is involved in all sorts of shit. We say it all the time. Some people have said it on dodgy news channels where wankers have appeared. Does that make us 'racist' or is it hard evidence that we're supportive of said wankers opinions?

No one has had to dig very hard, his Press TV appearance has been all over Twitter for as long as I can remember.

Stuff like this doesn't help either:

Jeremy Corbyn called for Holocaust Memorial Day to be renamed
 

Job

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There's your problem in black and white.

I think the existence of Israel as a Jewish state is pure idiocy. There's a lot of people who would accuse me of being antisemitic for that - but I think states should be aligned along secular grounds otherwise you institutionalise religious bigotry.

As can be seen in Israel right now...
Israel is secular..its 'ex pat' jews who hang on to their religion as a handy tool for political leverage.
Most Israelis under 40 dont give a fuck about religion.
 

Job

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The jews have the most to fear from Muslim immigrants, who are responsible for increased attacks...and you can be sure its going to get worse.
London will be hosting a Middle Eastern conflict by proxy within 10 years, fresh off the boat Muslims are not going to be signing up for antisemitism awsreness workshops.
 

Job

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Yes actually its an army of Corbyns...not the single most anti jew group on the planet.
 

Scouse

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Yes actually its an army of Corbyns...not the single most anti jew group on the planet.
Oh. So you've no evidence eh?

What a surprise! I'm shocked. Usually the shit you spout is definitely founded on more than your fantasy of how the world is. Totes.
 

Job

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Just sesrch it yourself..I cant be arsed pasting in 50 links.
 

Scouse

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Because your fifty links don't exist anywhere but in your fantasies @Job.


FYI - I did search it. There isn't any evidence for what you ssy. Because you made it up.
 

Scouse

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Op-ed piece from a US newspaper about France?*

UK study, with facts and figures, preferably posted by @Job, as he's the one who made the statement. As usual.


*Although I will concede it's an interesting article. Flare ups happenjng in tandem with Israeli atrocities, unsurprisingly. Perhaps Israel needs to resolve the Palestinian issue equitably instead of being a muderering occupier, doling out collective punishment against an entire population.
 

Wij

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From Graun yesterday:

Watson’s intervention came as Corbyn was forced to “entirely disassociate” himself from an organisation whose website lists him as a member of its international advisory panel and which openly supported a prominent writer convicted of Holocaust denial. In 1996, the Just World Trust, an international NGO that has been a trenchant critic of Israel, wrote a letter defending the controversial French philosopher Roger Garaudy, who denied that the killing of Jews by the Nazis constituted genocide. Two years later, Garaudy was convicted in France of Holocaust denial, and received a suspended jail sentence.
 

Job

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Convicted of holocaust denial..I cant even..
 

Scouse

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Also this oldie:

An open letter to Jeremy Corbyn

(I don't habitually read that site :))
It's the friends from hamas shite again. Tarring by association. It's doubtful any politician has the time or resources to check every word that somebody said down the years before being polite about them on a shared platform.

Assistant fail?

To me it just seems that Corbyn wants to be able to criticise Israel - a country desparately in need of loud and official criticism - and the very powerful and well funded israeli lobby aren't going to let this go. Especially as there's the slim but real risk of the future official government of one of it's most powerful supporting allies suddenly becoming an open critic.

If Russia/bookface/twatter are guilty of interfering in our elections, why isn't that accusation being levelled at Israel?
 

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