Politics General Election 2017

[BloodOmen]

*sponge rather, damn timer.

 

[BloodOmen]

@Embattle I'm seeing all of these facepalms but absolutely no response to what I post, are you actually telling me I'm wrong?

 

[Scouse]

@Embattle doesn't like to argue with owt other than funnies and facepalms.

 

[BloodOmen]

@Embattle doesn't like to argue with owt other than funnies and facepalms.

Ordinarily I wouldn't care but all I've posted is generally in defence of vulnerable people, attacks on conservatives and defending jeremy corbyn - not quite sure in that lot which is the facepalm... do you work For Atos per chance @Embattle ? or is your name Iain? by per chance

 

[BloodOmen]

Annnnd another U-turn

Tories U-turn on plan to build more socially rented council housing

 

[old.user4556]

Meanwhile, after too much skag:

 

[Gumbo]

Theresa May bullshitting her way during BBCQT

"I had the balls to call an election!"

No, you had no choice because one would have been called regardless because of Tory MP's being investigated and charged with electoral fraud, all she did was do it sooner to make herself look good/like she gave a fuck about the country.

Only ONE of whom ended up being charged, and is still yet to be convicted.

 

[BloodOmen]

Only ONE of whom ended up being charged, and is still yet to be convicted.

Out of what? 26, fairly certain more will be charged in due time once the CPS has sufficient evidence.

 

[Tom]

The CPS decided weeks ago that there wasn't enough evidence to support trials.

 

[BloodOmen]

The CPS decided weeks ago that there wasn't enough evidence to support trials.

So they got away with it then, shame.

 

[Scouse]

So they got away with it then, shame.

Or they weren't even dirty enough to even think of bringing a prosecution against them where they may have still been found innocent.

You're foaming at the bit at the moment m8. Chill...

 

[BloodOmen]

Or they weren't even dirty enough to even think of bringing a prosecution against them where they may have still been found innocent.

You're foaming at the bit at the moment m8. Chill...

I agree, I need to calm down a bit... I just get so worked up over this shite.

 

[Embattle]

You're foaming at the bit at the moment m8. Chill...

Part of the reason I facepalm rated his posts, that as well as getting so bored of circular arguments I can't be arsed to type a reply.

 

[Talivar]

Its hard though for many to take a step back as this election will make a big difference to their life's and not just be a matter of getting more or less income. Anyone suffering from mental health issues or physical disabilities for example or people working within the Public Sector.

 

[BloodOmen]

Its hard though for many to take a step back as this election will make a big difference to their life's and not just be a matter of getting more or less income. Anyone suffering from mental health issues or physical disabilities for example or people working within the Public Sector.

Which is why I get wound up.

 

[Talivar]

I fully understand and find myself getting wound up at times aswell

 

[Gwadien]

Problem is that people don't actually care.

If you post stuff like this; Living with disabilities under austerity: 'We're treated worse than farm animals'

The response will be 'yeah but it's the Guardian, ofc they'll do that!'

The only way you'd manage to convince people that the Tories have fucked peoples lives up is through statistics, but statistics don't show reality.

 

[Scouse]

Fuck that bitch. People who earn over £80,000 are being asked to pay a bit more income tax. Tories all the way.

 

[Job]

Are you seriously saying the disability benefits system didnt need an overhaul...OK theres horror stories, but the reality is 10s thousands of useless fucks were sitting on disability..simply because they have no shame and the benefits make for an easy life.

 

[Talivar]

Those people are still getting the benefits, the changes have targeted those with genuine disabilities not those who fake it and change to whatever new condition cant be detected at the moment

 

[Talivar]

Ironically their mentality is probably akin to the very rich who find ways to avoid paying what they owe. It is this mentality from both ends of the scale that are truly costing the country

 

[Scouse]

Are you seriously saying the disability benefits system didnt need an overhaul...OK theres horror stories, but the reality is 10s thousands of useless fucks were sitting on disability..simply because they have no shame and the benefits make for an easy life.

Three questions, please answer them in order (and answer nothing else):

1) Can you quote anyone, anywhere on this forum, who said the disability benefits system couldn't be overhauled?
2) Did you watch the whole video?
3) Given the overhauled benefits system and current housing system is directly to blame for the situation that woman finds herself in, should we not be fixing these systems so these people (not talking about anyone else) can have decency, self-respect and not feel humiliated and excluded?

Please Job. Stay on-topic. Don't waffle. Simply answer the questions posed and don't talk about other stuff.

 

[BloodOmen]

Are you seriously saying the disability benefits system didnt need an overhaul...OK theres horror stories, but the reality is 10s thousands of useless fucks were sitting on disability..simply because they have no shame and the benefits make for an easy life.

The system they put in place was rigged, do you know why so many sick people that genuinely shouldn't be working got cleared for work? because Atos had a very shady system in place, if you turned up to a medical you were automatically deemed fit for work regardless of what was said in that interview (look up citizens advice etc about it), that's why you seen so many wheelchair bound people and/or terminally ill people get cleared for work, because they turned up. Their system was utterly rigged and as Talivar has already pointed out, these changes which were meant to combat abuse of the system (chav families for example who just keep churning out kids for more money) have actually done very little to stop such families doing so, instead its hit genuine claimants the hardest some of which has literally resulted in deaths by various means.

That's why this gets on my tits so much and why it really hits a nerve, because I just cannot for the life of me understand why anyone in their right mind would support or vote for a party that can do this to humans, the very same people harp on about human rights and how they wouldn't like to see XYZ being done around the world and then they vote for a party like The Conservatives - there is a word for these people - Hypocrite.

 

[Job]

It just lacks common sense..the usual 'computer says no' brigade have been put in charge and are penalising honesty.
The questions are idiotic, the decisions totally unscientific.
My advice is to fake an epileptic fit in the interview room, seeing as its untrained cretins doing the interviews, they will just shit themselves and continue benefits.

 

[Gwadien]

It just lacks common sense..the usual 'computer says no' brigade have been put in charge and are penalising honesty.
The questions are idiotic, the decisions totally unscientific.
My advice is to fake an epileptic fit in the interview room, seeing as its untrained cretins doing the interviews, they will just shit themselves and continue benefits.

Can you give an example please.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, benefit fraud is laughable - there was an article the other day where there was a 3 year investigation into a woman who took benefits of £10k which she shouldn't have over a period of 7 years or something.

£10k over 7 years.

I'd much rather see the Government chasing down the big boys who avoid tax and such, and not damaging thousands of peoples lives whilst trying to close loopholes which aren't actually having a huge impact.

 

[Gumbo]

It's not so much benefit fraud, it's just benefits. Benefits not including state pensions are the biggest amount of your tax taken each payday. Getting people off benefits and into work is what is going to reduce that bill, get more tax revenue, and leave more money for genuine claimants.

Benefits have been cut, but not nearly enough. For some, content to live that life, it is still a valid choice. I know this. I am a foster carer, I have contact with that world. I don't need to read the Daily Mail, or the Guardian. I see it at contact centres and Lac Reviews.

I agree that shouting about benefit fraud is not going to make much difference, but we need to have the stomach to shout about benefits. It's not benefit fraud when someone pops out a fresh kid, to a different dad, every 2 years to continue to get support to live in a house provided by the state. It should not be an option, but sadly it is. These people drain the tax away from legitimate causes, and contribute nothing. Their children will likely do the same, if they're not taken away eventually through care proceedings.

 

[Talivar]

The problem is the services designed to work on these people while young and help install the skills to parent and give them a work ethic, are being constantly cut and removed

 

[Gwadien]

It's not so much benefit fraud, it's just benefits. Benefits not including state pensions are the biggest amount of your tax taken each payday. Getting people off benefits and into work is what is going to reduce that bill, get more tax revenue, and leave more money for genuine claimants.

Benefits have been cut, but not nearly enough. For some, content to live that life, it is still a valid choice. I know this. I am a foster carer, I have contact with that world. I don't need to read the Daily Mail, or the Guardian. I see it at contact centres and Lac Reviews.

I agree that shouting about benefit fraud is not going to make much difference, but we need to have the stomach to shout about benefits. It's not benefit fraud when someone pops out a fresh kid, to a different dad, every 2 years to continue to get support to live in a house provided by the state. It should not be an option, but sadly it is. These people drain the tax away from legitimate causes, and contribute nothing. Their children will likely do the same, if they're not taken away eventually through care proceedings.

Agree 100%. People who claim benefits wrongly should be sorted out.

It just appears that it's easier for the Government just to cut benefits across the board rather than addressing the issues.

 

[Gumbo]

The problem is the services designed to work on these people while young and help install the skills to parent and give them a work ethic, are being constantly cut and removed

But deep down in places that you don't talk about at parties, you know that the amounts needed to be thrown at the problem to make a real difference are inconceivably large. Ridiculously so. A doubling of the budget wouldn't make much difference. Multiplying it ten fold wouldn't.

The case in which we are currently helping, the mother is 26, has had 6 kids and is losing them. She has had 8 years of DAILY help from social services before reaching this point and it hasn't helped. For the last 3 years she has had someone come to her house each morning, get the kids up and out the door to school.

We both know what will happen as soon as this set of proceedings is done in a couple more months, if it hasn't happened already.

It's really sad for the kids.

And, for all those who are like this there'll be 20 more families where the kids aren't removed, and they just about get by, but the example set for the kids is that this is the way to be. You don't have to work, work is for mugs. THIS SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION!

I fear the actual answers are not at all palatable and could be for a different thread.

I wrote this on a different forum recently.. When someone was moaning about Foreigners 'Tekking arrr jaaaarrrbs'. It's just as relevant to this discussion.

I am currently dropping off at an inner city school in a deprived area 3 mornings a week. The school is fantastic by the way, well resourced, motivated excellent staff, once in the school, the pupils are a credit to it...

At the school gates there is an almost 50/50 split of British parents and Eastern European.

Without exception the 'foreign' kids are dropped off by the Mums. I have no way of knowing if the Dads are laying about at home, or not even up yet. My hunch would be that they're already out on the Amazon Logistics run, the Deliveroo bike, laying bricks, erecting scaffolding, or on their way to Stanstead. Something like that. The Mums are often dressed ready for work at McD's or Tesco etc.

The Brits tend to gather at the gates smoking and chatting away with a couple more kids in pushchairs or crawling in the mud alongside them. They don't appear dressed for work. Where there are Dads, they're often there too, they don't seem in a rush to get home and get ready for work either. Perhaps they are all night shift workers?

It's just an observation.

 

[Talivar]

I agree wit a lot of what you say and the solution is one very few are willing to even whisper let alone take, we need to accept this generation is lost and put the funding and work towards the next generation and as hard as it is to say that may mean not waiting 8 years to remove the children ect. So many times i work with both Children and Parents and the young children really do tried hard to change things but often it is the parents that sabotage everything.