Politics General Election 2017
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Gwadien
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In regards to the fox hunting thing...
I'm extremely oppositional to it, much like any other recreational sports which causes the needless harm to animals.
However...
Kudos to Frau May for making the Tories approach clear.
I'd imagine it's to do with the Tories being able to sacrifice babies and still get voted in, but it's good to see politicians actually being honest and not just announcing it when they get elected
I'm extremely oppositional to it, much like any other recreational sports which causes the needless harm to animals.
However...
Kudos to Frau May for making the Tories approach clear.
I'd imagine it's to do with the Tories being able to sacrifice babies and still get voted in, but it's good to see politicians actually being honest and not just announcing it when they get elected
Job
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Seems strange for it to be brought up so early in the campaign...the voter analysis must be a fine art these days..they probably play out policy effects in some virtual country algorithm , push out fox hunting, then watch social media go wild.
Politics is going to be reduced to a party based on an app soon.
Politics is going to be reduced to a party based on an app soon.
Bodhi
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I've had a look through it, and I am happy to vote Labour - as long as they let me know when I can expect my free car. I'd quite like a 4 Series this time, preferably a 440i Gran Coupe with Pro Nav and a Heads Up Display.
But seriously, punishing firms which pay their staff too much money? So asking people who already pay a large amount of income tax to pay even more, becuase they're paying too much in the first place? Wtf?
Bringing everything back under public ownership? 1) How much is that going to cost then? 2) What precisely is that going to fix?
But seriously, punishing firms which pay their staff too much money? So asking people who already pay a large amount of income tax to pay even more, becuase they're paying too much in the first place? Wtf?
Bringing everything back under public ownership? 1) How much is that going to cost then? 2) What precisely is that going to fix?
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Actually, with regards to trains, I am not sure how they can get any worse in private hands. They might be slightly worse if they offered a complimentary stab in the thigh with a rusty screwdriver I suppose. Removing the need for increased profit year on year and ploughing money back into improvements would be a good thing.
That being said, any spare cash just ends up paying for extra comfy pillows so the drivers can have a nap between pressing stop/go every hour, under a public rail network.
Really they just need to tarmac the railways and allow cars on.
Bodhi
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It's easy to see how they could get worse - just go back in time to the 80's and try using British Rail. You'll get to where you're going - eventually.
Only real problem I see with Private Ownership is the number of companies involved, so natural law of averages means you're going to get some good operators, and some shite ones. For instance here in Stafford service is pretty good, depending on where we go there is a choice of 3 operators (Virgin, Cross Country and London Midland), and only real time there are problems are due to the West Coast Maniline being near capacity, so if something breaks, carnage ensues. In fact that's the only benefit of HS2 I can see, is to take traffic off the WCML.
On the flipside, even though I 've never used them I gather Southern Railways are a bit of a joke, and normally on strike due to the wrong type of biscuits being servied at a meeting. So just like British Rail then, really.
Public Ownership works OK on the continent becuase they aren't really run as your standard public service - the operators are still expected to make a profit, have boards etc - basically a public owned business. If we could do that over here then great! But do we really think this is what Comrade Corbyn has in mind? As it probably isn't, I'll stick with what we have. The OH uses the train every day to get into Birmingham, odd weather related delay aside, not really an issue. Certainly less issues than I have on the M6 anyway....
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The biggest problem with the railways...apart from the fact they are shite...is the ticketing system us quite simply the biggest pile of bolaks ever forced on humanity, the rain stations with everyone running around not knowing where to go.
Seriously I could fix 90% of the problems myself with a few hundred sign boards and a marker pen.
Like the buses, the trains are run like a members club, where everyone us in a routine and newcomers are sent on a wild goose chase of queuing in the wrong line,.asking other passengers if this train stops at a certain station.
It needs to be publically run and invite the Japanese for a year to sort it out.
Seriously I could fix 90% of the problems myself with a few hundred sign boards and a marker pen.
Like the buses, the trains are run like a members club, where everyone us in a routine and newcomers are sent on a wild goose chase of queuing in the wrong line,.asking other passengers if this train stops at a certain station.
It needs to be publically run and invite the Japanese for a year to sort it out.
Bodhi
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It never really was? It's owned by the DoT.
DaGaffer
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It was - Railtrack. Then it was taken back into public ownership in 2002. I didn't realise that had happened.
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Every day is indeed a school day, as I wasn't aware Railtrack were privately owned back in the day.
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As opposed to the alternative - Tories? not a hard choice which to vote for tbfh, I'd rather give the mental Labour manifesto a go over Tories who are just going to fuck anyone who isn't earning above a certain pay level.
Bodhi
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Bang on. That's why the Tories raised the tax free allowance, bringing millions of lower earners out of Income Tax. And raised the minimum wage. In fact the only people who have seen their taxes go up recently have been the well off.
Those evil Tory bastards!
BloodOmen
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Yes, because the minor raise has clearly kept up with inflation.. oh wait! clearly these people just want to keep that small pay rise and that's why foodbank use is at record levels (which might I add only happened SINCE the tories came to power)
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Yes, but at least we can afford the Tory plan (sort of)
This drivel from Labour is completely and utterly mental when you look at the numbers.
Nationalise the railways and energy companies - where exactly are we going to get the money to buy that back? Not going to happen.
Tax the rich a bit more - would make virtually no difference in the bigger picture, its like saying stopping the workshy from claiming the dole would make a difference, the numbers are so small it wouldn't actually make much difference at all. The problem isn't people on 80k+ it is companies avoiding tax (actually encouraged in the EU) but even then a couple of windfall tax raids wouldn't pay for half the stuff Labour have earmarked.
Other than that, its a load of wishy washy nonsense with no sums to back it up.
Like I said, admirable but a complete crock of bollocks. Unfortunately you cannot run a country on hopes alone.
Bodhi
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Must admit I don't look on increased use of food banks as a bad thing, in fact quit the opposite.
Good read on the subject, based on experiences of people using them/staffing them. Note only 1 in 5 claim too low wages as a reason to use them (or 1 in 6 for those on benefits).
Why it’s wrong to be ashamed of Britain’s food banks | The Spectator
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Before the Tories got in, those in the public sector enjoyed raises well above inflation. Private sector very close to inflation. Austerity is working, less people out of work, less small business going to the wall. You cannot borrow your way out of debt, spending more than we earn will not make the deficit smaller. The hugely bloated public sector needed cutting back and still needs cutting back, not from the front line but the middle and top.
As for those claiming benefits (While not trying to belittle them) most don't even bother voting, they are unimportant from a political stand point. Aside from illness or a disability there is absolutely no excuse for being out of work and hasn't been for the last 5 years.