G20 - London

[old.Tohtori]

So, lemme get this straight:

An issue which is made by people living in houses? Sitting on cumfy chairs? Using high end technology made by microsoft to spread the message of anti-capitalism? A huge gathering of people, concerned about the climate, most likely traveling to london, causing extra emissions by public transport, car, train or even airplane? Associated costs that go to the government they hate? Against the war via the use of the internet that was made by the military?

Now read that again with a stewie griffin higher and higher pitch voice and you get funnies

 

[DaGaffer]

Many of the idiots in the more militant groups are just kids - they'll eventually grow into middle aged middle classers with jobs just like Swampy

Whatever happened to him? I bet he's a right wanker irl.

*edit*

In 2006, Swampy was living with his partner and their three children in a yurt, a dome-shaped tent in 'Tipi Valley', a remote New Age commune near Llandeilo in West Wales.

I was right...

 

[dysfunction]

I suggest that it's the insurers that are at fault here. Riots are hardly uncommon in the big scheme of things.

Insurance companies will insure anything at the right price. If you wanted to add rioting damage cover to your car insurance then your premium would reflect that...

 

[Macey]

Half the banks are boarded up around the Bank of England and the "bankers" have been told to go into work "dressed down" and to stagger arrival times so as to avoid aggression.

See a lot of very violent and provoking flyers around promoting aggression too.

Seems like trouble a-brewing to me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I "hate" to say it, i don't wish harm on anyone, but i'm betting a lot of people are thinking "hopefully sh*t hits the fan so there's something to watch".

 

[rynnor]

Y'know - they're not going to be attacking people

Some have threatened to do that very thing - hopefully they were just talking shit...

 

[inactionman]

Bit worried about this. Why would they shut down the CCTV network unless they are planning something dodgy and don't want the footage to be used against them in court?

 

[rynnor]

Bit worried about this. Why would they shut down the CCTV network unless they are planning something dodgy and don't want the footage to be used against them in court?

Its the new law that comes in on Wed (April 1st) - their CCTV equipment doesnt meet the required new standard.

 

[inactionman]

Yes, this is a new system and why was it not dealt with earlier?

 

[Poag]

Because some pencil pusher found it was £3million cheaper to get the 706 instead of the 720 pixel cameras and didn't have the forsight 5 years ago when the order was placed to see the new law coming?

Unless ofc you dont believe in the ineptitude of government...in which case its a conspiracy.

 

[rynnor]

Yes, this is a new system and why was it not dealt with earlier?

You mean why did the council just buy a load of new cameras that they now cannot use? Because they arent very bright I would guess.

Still not sure how this will affect the security during the G20 as its:

A. not in Westminster

B. grainy traffic camera footage is going to be really usefull and

C. that only leaves 349,876,975 other CCTV cameras operating in and around the city and docklands

We have the most CCTV in the known universe and its highest density is in London!

 

[inactionman]

True, but what's the odds on the systems mysteriously 'not working' if any real police violence happens, just like they did in stockwell....

 

[Poag]

Quickly!

To the Tin Foil factory to get our hats!

 

[Scouse]

Funny that, I'd say it's the retard smashing the shit out of the car owned by some random person, not "teh evul corporashun!"

There you're be wrong Nath. The problem was that the "evul corporashun"s don't cover riot damage?

Why? They're really uncommon. There's no logical reason (other than profiteering) for riot damage to not be covered by insurance. Example:

You're an 80 year old biddy living in Bradford with your 1.1 Metro outside. Shilpa Shetty is caught on camera giving head to Imran Kahn. Asians go mad, tearing the shit out of everything, including the old lady's metro.

Evul Corporashun tells the old dear to fuck off and get a job if she wants a car because they're not stumping up. How would that be anything but their fault....?

 

[Scouse]

Some have threatened to do that very thing - hopefully they were just talking shit...

I was talking about the peaceful demonstrations by 35 THOUSAND people this weekend.

As for the other demos - I'd like to say I was going to be responsible and say "oooh, hope nobody gets hurt" - but I'm not. Direct action works and if people are getting hurt then governments sometimes start to notice.

Unpopular, I know. But true. Been checked scientifically - and direct action is effective.

 

[tierk]

..and direct action is effective.

Poll Tax Riots anyone?

 

[nath]

Scouse, because the people who've done the damage are responsible. The evul corporation may well be fuckwits for not insuring the poor defenceless old biddy but that's beside the point. Personal fucking responsibility - if someone smashes up the car, the fact that the car is now smashed isn't down to the insurer. It's because the retard **** smashed it.


It actually reminds me of this sort of mob-mentality defence. Everyone is doing something so personal responsibility goes out of the window. At school people used to get "birthday beats", one poor fucker would just get punched repeatedly by a crowd - it was the done thing. When a few guys said "it's your birthday today innit nafan!" I said "if you guys go for me, I'm focussing on........ you jake, and going to fuck you up". His response was "that's not fair!"*. Mob mentality can go fuck itself in the ear.










*Yes yes internet tough guy, I'm anything but. This scenario just reminded me of that little incident.

 

[Scouse]

Y'see this is the problem with conspiracy theories:

True, but what's the odds on the systems mysteriously 'not working' if any real police violence happens, just like they did in stockwell....

which is a legitimate question. However, followed by the hugely intellectual:

Quickly!

To the Tin Foil factory to get our hats!

Yep it's funny, but you're a fool if you think people don't get fucked over by the authorities. I've watched it happen more than once.

 

[Scouse]

Scouse, because the people who've done the damage are responsible. The evul corporation may well be fuckwits for not insuring the poor defenceless old biddy but that's beside the point. Personal fucking responsibility - if someone smashes up the car, the fact that the car is now smashed isn't down to the insurer. It's because the retard **** smashed it.

No nath. That IS the point - you're just missing it:

Riot should be covered by insurance companies

No?

Yes, the people responsible for the damage are the ones who did it - but I was commenting on the responsibilities of the insurance industry. You've been arguing with Toht too long



Edit: The birthday beats thing - I came up with the same solution!

 

[nath]

Well Tom was saying riots aren't exactly peachy in that the owners of any car that gets fucked up will have to pay. This makes the insurers fuckwits perhaps, but my point was that it was secondary to the cuntishness of the rioters.

 

[Poag]

Y'see this is the problem with conspiracy theories:



which is a legitimate question. However, followed by the hugely intellectual:



Yep it's funny, but you're a fool if you think people don't get fucked over by the authorities. I've watched it happen more than once.

Yep and here we go with the I've seen it before'

Well you know what? I am part of the evil authorities are used to be and evidently this gives me a far better view on the internal incompitance, not malice, which makes things like what my 'comic' answer was about happen.

People see innocent/incompetant things....then like sheep they listen to the sensationalist media and claim a conspiracy.


Christ....they put up CCTV and it's a polce state. There's a fuck up and some ofit has to go......ooooh conspiracy.

I could go on but the wifi on this train isdodgy......omg conspiracy stopping me posting!

 

[Jupitus]

I was talking about the peaceful demonstrations by 35 THOUSAND people this weekend.

As for the other demos - I'd like to say I was going to be responsible and say "oooh, hope nobody gets hurt" - but I'm not. Direct action works and if people are getting hurt then governments sometimes start to notice.

Unpopular, I know. But true. Been checked scientifically - and direct action is effective.

I'll remember this post if me or any of my colleagues get caught up in any crap tomorrow...

 

[Macey]

I was talking about the peaceful demonstrations by 35 THOUSAND people this weekend.

As for the other demos - I'd like to say I was going to be responsible and say "oooh, hope nobody gets hurt" - but I'm not. Direct action works and if people are getting hurt then governments sometimes start to notice.

Unpopular, I know. But true. Been checked scientifically - and direct action is effective.

So youre saying that its ok if some low level bank employee gets mobbed simply for having a job? Those are the type of people who are likely to be harmed if this whole thing goes south, its not going to be the well off bank management who can afford protection or just not go into work for the day is it? Itll be some poor sod on a £20k wage who is just trying to do his job that will be targetted as he has no choice but to go through the mobs to get to work.

 

[DaGaffer]

- and direct action is effective.

Really? I think that depends on the country. I can only think of one significant piece of direct action in the UK in the last 20 years that's actually worked and that was the poll tax riots. All the other stuff, bypasses, airport protests, Iraq protests, countryside alliance; all a waste of time and didn't change anything. And the anti-globalisation riots have been the least effective of all.

Personally I think government and the banks need to be held to account for this mess, and I'm in a protesting mood myself (not that it'll do any good but I'd feel better) but throwing a bin through a Starbucks window doesn't really move the debate forward...

 

[Raven]

Supposed to be going to London on business today too, I hope some lazy little lefty doesn't make life difficult.

 

[Platin]

Ah, the dyed-in-the-wool capitalists rush to trash well-meaning people with intellectual ideals that may be very well thought out. Hey, at least they're not blowing shit up, as opposed to walking peacefully through the capital attempting to demonstrate their feelings as democratically as possible...

...I'm anti-capitalist, well educated and well-off enough to not have had to work for 18 months. I stand to lose massively if capitalism goes tits-up. But I wouldn't cry, I'd cheer in the streets. Capitalism is so fucked up we need to change it immediately.

Unfortunately, it's the rich who make the decisions...

Yes, the nomenklatura back in the days made the russian society much more equal. The only difference between the leftists and the "capitalists", is that the leftists are disapointed for their lack of power. But if they would sieze power, they would never let go freely, as opposed to a capitalist democracy.

 

[Poag]

Current state of Riots: Underwhelmed

Saw one guy with a nose ring looking angry at everyone...everyone ignored him and continued eating there Pret sarnie and Starbucks coffee.

Saw some police, had a chat.They seemed fairly relaxed about it for now.

I guess the protestors like to sleepin....start the day with a nice breakfast. /sarc




On a more serious note, the people they are likly to lamp one today are, as said above, the people on 20k salaries, who have to come into work today.
Where as the people they should be lamping-one are the people who can get driven in or work from home.

So they are going to lamp some poor sod on the street...who is he going to blame? The government? Unlikly, unless he complains that the G20 should have been held elsewhere.

Teh evul corps? Again not likly, unless he could argue they should let him work from home, or not come in today.

The guy who lamped himone? Oh yes, this is the person Joe on the street is going to blame for him getting into casualty.

So its self defeating really, the people you want on your side..the down trodden, people at the bottom of the pile...are the people your harming. They aint exactly going to join your cause after you've given them a broken jaw......

 

[Jaberwocky]

I've always an had issue with people who define them selves by what they're against, rather than what they stand for.

 

[Poag]

I've always an had issue with people who define them selves by what they're against, rather than what they stand for.

I was thinking this o the train this morning.Theres alot of


'The economy needs change' but very little 'This is what needs to be done'

[edit] Or maybe its just not getting alot of press :shrug:

 

[old.Tohtori]

I was thinking this o the train this morning.Theres alot of


'The economy needs change' but very little 'This is what needs to be done'

[edit] Or maybe its just not getting alot of press :shrug:

Always the same thing with people in general;

This is wrong!
That is wrong!
Don't do things like this!
You suck!

"How would you do it?"

Don't know!