From a regular player point of view (reg. adding)

[fungus]

really luz i dont know if u remember me, but we started out in same guild, HDS i was playing my chanter babbel at that time. Since there was mostly pickup groups on prydwen i gathered some friends from alb excal (YES I AM AN ALB ) and leveled up from 1-50 (no PL involved) with a group then started running with 1 set group and took us a damn long time 2 get high RR. Was a long struggle i assure you.

I understand everyone started from scratch.

I just say if you ran so long in a GG you might have forgotten how it felt when you were not.

I actually join random groups with my druid sometimes , i know how it feals , i havent forgotten, and i still dont like it.

 

[Luz]

I actually join random groups with my druid sometimes , i know how it feals , i havent forgotten, and i still dont like it.

So imagine play like that all the time and havning no other choice.
You cant join a fixed grp for various reasons so people try what they can to have fun (not to die all over time after time) - some choose to add. Other choose to zerg.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

I understand everyone started from scratch.

I just say if you ran so long in a GG you might have forgotten how it felt when you were not.

About the comment on RP greedy people, I said yes, random are more RP greedy - because its the harder to actually get RP´s adding is a less harder way when you´ve ran about all nights getting nothing.

And xianghua, I cant get a group together and play 5 times a week. I would not want to block my RL like that. And atleast in my guild we dont turn down friendly people who want to RvR by hunting the "right classes" this has been covered allready. Random people dont run fixed groups because they cant for one reason or another.

i run in PUG /as groups mostly atm cuz my guild is afk as usual, so dont run 5days/week atm either. well thing you have to accept is, daoc is almost 4 years and ppl had quiet some time to figure out perfect group setups/tactics and to become quiet high rr, the game has changed alot and average skill has increased to high heaven, you cant expect to win anything if you still play with same group setups/dedication/tactix as 4 years ago. MMORPG´s are and always has been a very time-consuming thing and if i wouldnt have the time to play as i do atm i´d rather quit and play single player games again (which i did for 3 months when NF got released cuz game simply wasnt any fun anymore and i had other things to do) if you can only play 2-3 times for a few hours a week and still wanna be uber in PvP its maybe wrong game for u, maybe try a FPS game they are alot less time-consuming.
i can understand it when you say you like daoc and you wanna play it just cuz its a great game, nothing wrong with that at all, if you like rvr more than pve you can do RvR as main thing in your little gametime too, you payed your subs = same right as everyone else.
BUT pls dont whine at opted groups then just cuz they put more effort in the game and cut rl things for it.
and zerging them is just disrespecting the effort they put in the game, immagine how fun it would be for your BG-zerg if all the opted groups would make an own zerg of rr8+ ppl just to kick your own little rr3 zerg back to homeland?
you are just lucky as hell that most opted ppl cba to lower themself to your level, (me included) so they rather stay as 1fg and die alot.

 

[fungus]

So imagine play like that all the time and havning no other choice.
You cant join a fixed grp for various reasons so people try what they can to have fun (not to die all over time after time) - some choose to add. Other choose to zerg.

I disagree with you you do have a choice m8 , make a group yourself , find some friends, try figure out what you would like to play and then make a GG it aint that hard m8.

 

[Tay]

Well last night I was having a nice 1on1 with a hunter... I was on like 60% he was on 40% ish I landed DB then some wanker from Golden Age a Ranger added, So if Golden Age members dont mind adding on my fights I sure they wont mind me adding on them PS = RP's for FG vrs FG!

RVR = Realm vs Realm

Despite many many attempts by Mythic to convey this many people seem to not understand it.

I choose when to add and not to add.

I have been added on by the top LWRP's on more than one occaision. yet now they all want fg vs fg

The game is full of people that do things you dont like, I peronally dont give a flying banana about adding on me and I choose when I do it and if I do it. frankly it cant be worse than people stealing items off raids and things....

At the end of the day its all a game..

 

[Tay]

if you only want fg vs fg, take your roaming where random groups dont roam, if you however like to farm those certan groups, dont bitch when you get ganked by them when fighting another guild grp, or so.

Indeed.

 

[Luz]

I disagree with you you do have a choice m8 , make a group yourself , find some friends, try figure out what you would like to play and then make a GG it aint that hard m8.

Many people dont have the time to bind themself to times ingame more then they do (I am not included, I play alot and I am also going to try a fixed grp).

MMORPG´s are and always has been a very time-consuming thing and if i wouldnt have the time to play as i do atm i´d rather quit and play single player games again (which i did for 3 months when NF got released cuz game simply wasnt any fun anymore and i had other things to do) if you can only play 2-3 times for a few hours a week and still wanna be uber in PvP its maybe wrong game for u, maybe try a FPS game they are alot less time-consuming.

As stated above, I have alot of time to play and I am going to try a fixed group out. But this is about making everyone understand that time "invested" in game does not entitle one to rule it. The ones who cant invest that much time should be entitled to have as much fun the nights they play. This can mean zerging, adding or whatever..

 

[Gazon]

Everybody plays to win.
Everybody wants rp.
fg vs fg = fastest way to get rp = player imposed paradigm.
Enemies adding on your fight is not fun because then you might lose.
Allies adding on your fight is not fun because they leech your rp and ruin your chances on e-peen enlargement.
Disengaging in a fight where allies added = posing.
Saying rp doesn't interest you = lie.
Calling for everybody to run in seperate groups, fighting seperate fights = propaganda to make the fg vs fg system work.

Now move along.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Many people dont have the time to bind themself to times ingame more then they do (I am not included, I play alot and I am also going to try a fixed grp).



As stated above, I have alot of time to play and I am going to try a fixed group out. But this is about making everyone understand that time "invested" in game does not entitle one to rule it. The ones who cant invest that much time should be entitled to have as much fun the nights they play. This can mean zerging, adding or whatever..

basically you are right that everyone should have fun in the game but when the fun of a few casuals goes on the costs of the players who invest like 5-10 times as much time as the casuals its not ok imo

 

[Tay]

yea sure then fuckin dont call opted ppl rp horny when you are 10 times worse yourself its fuckin hypocricy (talking in general not about u)
to say that opted groups dont need the rp anymore is the biggest bulshit i´ve ever heard in 4 years of daoc. we play for a challenge and for fun = fg vs fg,

what do randoms play rvr for?, cant be the challenge since there is none when you zerg/add, cant be the fun either since zerging/adding might be fun to a noob but as soon as you play the game a bit more serious you will figure out that its totally boring.
so whats left now? can only be the rp what they play for.

i give you a hint, if you dont like 10k rps/4 hours then maybe try make a decent group setup (bards and droods help trust me) play with ppl who play for a challenge and not just for easy rp, make a set group with atleast 5 days of Rvring per week, get decent equip and play a few months like that and you will do 50k+ the evening pretty easy.

what you do is: I cant compete with the good players/guilds but i cba to put efford in it either but i wanna be rr10 someday so i zerg/add on everything i see.

seriously do you think you can proud of it if you finally reached rr10? i think not

Random are simply players that dont have opted groups, maybe they are low level maybe they dont have 10 million RP's.

lol youre funny, I doubt I'll ever reach RR "insert fotm RR here" unless I add all the rp's of my chars together and add 20 million.

But you know what, I'm not gonna tell my mates about the fact I spent half my life in a computer game to get some fictional RR"insert fotm RR here" reward and I'm certainly not going to feel proud of wasting so much time..

Running is zergs can be great fun, I'm sure fully opted RVR is possibly fun too cant say I spent that much time doing it.

 

[Tay]

basically you are right that everyone should have fun in the game but when the fun of a few casuals goes on the costs of the players who invest like 5-10 times as much time as the casuals its not ok imo

You choose to invest all that time not randoms..How many casuals do you think were talking about, I'd love to know???

I think you'll find your in the minority here.

What have you got to say about that?

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Everybody plays to win.
Everybody wants rp.
fg vs fg = fastest way to get rp = player imposed paradigm.
Enemies adding on your fight is not fun because then you might lose.
Allies adding on your fight is not fun because they leech your rp and ruin your chances on e-peen enlargement.
Disengaging in a fight where allies added = posing.
Saying rp doesn't interest you = lie.
Calling for everybody to run in seperate groups, fighting seperate fights = propaganda to make the fg vs fg system work.

Now move along.

I play for fun and for challenge
I want rp yes but not on all costs like some randoms
Enemies adding on my fights can be fun depending on what groups it is, if its 2x rr9+ group its ofc lame but if its 2x rr3 group i can atleast understand them a bit
Allies adding on my fights is not fun cuz they ruin the fight for both sides, however its not the rp sharing that i doesnt like. Its just not fun to fight a group for like 5mins+ and then another group joins the fun and ruins the fight within 20 secs.
Disengaging the enemy when we get added has NOTHING to do with posing its just we want fairplay for us so we want fairplay for the enemy too.
Never said rp dont interest me its just not a primary objective, primary objective = having fun, = long even 8vs8 battles. you can see that most opted groups dont play for the rp as a primary objective as they prefer dieing over getting added on.
about your last point the fg vs fg system wont work until the majority of the players has grown up

 

[fungus]

Many people dont have the time to bind themself to times ingame more then they do (I am not included, I play alot and I am also going to try a fixed grp).

welcome to the dark side then

 

[daoc_xianghua]

You choose to invest all that time not randoms..How many casuals do you think were talking about, I'd love to know???

I think you'll find your in the minority here.

What have you got to say about that?

who cares if the casuals are more or not?
those who invest most time, deserve most fun, kinda easy

furthermore when i look at hib RvR atm i see like 5-6 set groups(usually 2-3 running per night) and 1-3 PUG groups, so its pretty even atm and when all set groups run in the same evening we outnumber PUG´s by far

 

[Gamah]

You choose to invest all that time not randoms..How many casuals do you think were talking about, I'd love to know???

I think you'll find your in the minority here.

What have you got to say about that?

Can't wait to farm those n00bs!

Thats what I have to say

 

[Dorin]

dc - bowl - bridge, space is smaller than it was preNF, no wonder bout all the hype :d but if you want action you have to go there or you die from boredom oO maybe changes with cluster (at least 2 zergy places to provoke whines etc


btw luz, do some shrooms on bridge, cwoc elph luvs it

xD

and yus low RR sux, always did... had set grp 3-4 times starting from scratch (rr1-rr5) and yea its a pain sometimes .-o but after you reach rr5-rr6 it rox .d

 

[Belisar]

who cares if the casuals are more or not?
those who invest most time, deserve most fun, kinda easy

To an extent I agree with the first point - it should not be about majorities and I am not sure quite where the majority lies.

Can't agree with the second, the game is there for all of us to have fun. If you want to invest lots of time in a game then good for you but that does not give you any automatic rights over those whi invest less time, after all we all pay the same subs.

You will by now be repeating your question about how can zerging be fun and that will lead me to ask how can smacking a random group be fun if the fight lasts less than 30 seconds. And so the circle starts again.

By investing time you have chosen to give yourself more options or opportunities to win, you have not given yourself the right to win or the right to make demands of other players.

 

[Gazon]

primary objective = having fun, = long even 8vs8 battles.

Fun in what? In just being in game?
"Long even 8vs8 battles" ... where you WIN in the end preferably I suppose? Or do your settle for an evening where you did not win a single fight but they were definitely all "long" and "even". I don't buy that, sorry.

the fg vs fg system wont work until the majority of the players has grown up

I guess you need to keep preaching then... at least be honest about your reasons.

 

[Killerbee]

and yus low RR sux, always did... had set grp 3-4 times starting from scratch (rr1-rr5) and yea its a pain sometimes .-o but after you reach rr5-rr6 it rox .d

We rocked at low rr as well on Excal!

 

[Seanpaul]

rofl idiot, i was in that group with ejo,

 

[Gamah]

old

 

[stupeh]

Fun in what? In just being in game?
"Long even 8vs8 battles" ... where you WIN in the end preferably I suppose? Or do your settle for an evening where you did not win a single fight but they were definitely all "long" and "even". I don't buy that, sorry.

That would be one of the best nights of rvr for me, even if i didn't win a single fight.

 

[Shike]

Fun in what? In just being in game?
"Long even 8vs8 battles" ... where you WIN in the end preferably I suppose? Or do your settle for an evening where you did not win a single fight but they were definitely all "long" and "even". I don't buy that, sorry.

actually, some people dont mind loosing aslong as its a good fight. Maybe you dont feel that way, but dont judge everyone else by your own lines.

 

[Luz]

I can relate to that, its no problem loosing as long as you feel you had a decent shoot at winning, you can talk it thru and try again - this is really fun and I´d love that aswell.

But as 1FG random players, its 8/10 times -die in 20 sec and never know what the hell happened. This is however NOT fun. And I cant imagine why GG would think its fun either.. but still it happens over and over and over, why I find it hard to believe the GG´s play just for the fun "even" fights, as I been on the recieving end to much..

If this really is the case, the GG´s could mez the enemy and then disengage if they see its just random low-mid RR´s, but they dont.

 

[Killerbee]

If this really is the case, the GG´s could mez the enemy and then disengage if they see its just random low-mid RR´s, but they dont.

Once we did that with a skirmish grp, mezzed and left them. 30 sec later we engaged with another grp then we had the mezz immune skirmish grp adding on us ^^

So it could work on paper but never in game I fear.

 

[Gazon]

That would be one of the best nights of rvr for me, even if i didn't win a single fight.

Agreed, lose some cool fights from time to time isn't bad, but:
How many of those wonderful losing-every-fight-nights like that are you willing to take in a row before you go "gifv 30K to RR7!!11!!!" in /gu or even /quit?

I'm saying fg people are playing this game
- to personally own other people (in zerg your influence is minimal)
- to build a rep (in zerg you are but a number)
- to get arpee (in zerg the arpee dries up fast because an outnumbered enemy will avoid you)
Ofcourse it's un-cool to say it like this. Rather use bullshit terms like:
- unspecified "fun"
- "long even fights"
- "challenge"
Then why the ToA/ML armsrace? the optimising? the TS? if it's not important to win? Oh right, that's the other guy I imagine, playing to win... you just want to keep "even".

 

[Friea]

Agreed, lose some cool fights from time to time isn't bad, but:
How many of those wonderful losing-every-fight-nights like that are you willing to take in a row before you go "gifv 30K to RR7!!11!!!" in /gu or even /quit?

I'm saying fg people are playing this game
- to personally own other people (in zerg your influence is minimal)
- to build a rep (in zerg you are but a number)
- to get arpee (in zerg the arpee dries up fast because an outnumbered enemy will avoid you)
Ofcourse it's un-cool to say it like this. Rather use bullshit terms like:
- unspecified "fun"
- "long even fights"
- "challenge"
Then why the ToA/ML armsrace? the optimising? the TS? if it's not important to win? Oh right, that's the other guy I imagine, playing to win... you just want to keep "even".

because the enemy does his best to get the best possible equipment now why not do the same so you are equal?

 

[Gazon]

because the enemy does his best to get the best possible equipment now why not do the same so you are equal?

That's exactly my point. It's only natural to optimise and try to win, that's what a competitive game is for. I'm only trying to expose the posing of some ppl here who do just that and refuse to come out for it. Like long even fights is an artform or something roleplayers!

Repeat after me:
I'm going to pwn you!
I want your arpee!
Rawrr!

 

[Dallas]

we will adapt

 

[Aran Thule]

who cares if the casuals are more or not?
those who invest most time, deserve most fun, kinda easy

This gives the impression that you are only concerned with 'your' way of seeing things and not anyone elses.
its a game everyone should be able to have fun, but as i mentioned before how people enjoy themselves is down to the person concerned.
Noone has more rights then the other and the best we can hope for is to be conciderate to other peoples views even if they differ from our own.