From a regular player point of view (reg. adding)

[Adianna]

if you add on fights then expect others to add on yours, and you know that feeling you get when you meet other player(s) which are the same numbers as you and you win because of skill and not by zerging them.

that feeling is the reason you play daoc no?

I dont know about you but i get that feeling when i play 8vs8 and win, not when i run in zerg and f8 kills everything or get f8 killed myself.

if you wanna add sure go ahead nobody can stop you but isnt it abit like playing fotball in daocpvp and what is the fun in beating the other fotball team when you are 22 and they are 11?

Well... the numbers of players allowed are limited by the rules. The limited number for soccer are 11 per team on the field in DAoC the number is 3500 players over all as it is the server limit...

And I did not complain about adding. It is YOU who was crying and trying to insult us. I only made a statement about how many Mids it takes to be a zerg. Never said anything if that is good or bad.

The only thing that wasn't funny yesterday was the fact, that mids didn't do much more with that zerg besides hugging that tower. They could easily have overrun us but well, it's up to them. Just leaves a sad feeling that they didn't do anything with the power they had.

 

[fungus]

By all people here replying "dont QQ" and that kind of great posts, just leave it alone.

for the record my dont QQ was ment in general.

But the ones whining the hardest from both ends are narrowminded as hell, since they try to press their point of view onto others like some dictators instead of accepting that people play different.

totally agree with u here.

 

[Sharkith]

Just leaves a sad feeling that they didn't do anything with the power they had.

In my perspective on this a zerg without purpose is the worst thing in the game. Any zerg that is. Of course I have hung out like this in the past but I have become so bored with it I would rather go hunt scrolls. At least that way my evening has some meaning.

.......once I am TOA'ed and ML'ed....

 

[Luz]

In my perspective on this a zerg without purpose is the worst thing in the game. Any zerg that is. Of course I have hung out like this in the past but I have become so bored with it I would rather go hunt scrolls. At least that way my evening has some meaning.

.......once I am TOA'ed and ML'ed....

I just dont understand how people can be scared of dying lol..
just attack and see how it goes imo

hugging a keep / tower is so boring

 

[Dorin]

open field zerging with lots of tanks can be fun (with alike numbers ofc), but tower_stand offs are just borin....


party in da bowl ftw xD

 

[Adianna]

In my perspective on this a zerg without purpose is the worst thing in the game. Any zerg that is. Of course I have hung out like this in the past but I have become so bored with it I would rather go hunt scrolls. At least that way my evening has some meaning.

.......once I am TOA'ed and ML'ed....

That has something to do with insta-RvR... everyone is afraid of loosing RPs so that they don't even consider a real attack on the porting option of the enemy realm. That's what is so sad about it. I personally like zerging as much as grp vs grp fights and they happen as they happen. That is what makes this game fun. But not even trying to attack the enemy realm just to farm RP is just sad... Mids had the manpower to actually try and attack us... but I guess they were just as unorganised as hibs were.

 

[Phooka]

OMG awark did u really delete ur ani!!

I wish the archers did the same

As I am a big QQ'r bout adding i do understand the others point of vieuw.
Only thing i am after is fun.. I've been away from rr7 30k for 2 weeks now on my NS and still dont add... Like 19 ot of 20 fights i get added on.. I like 1 on 1's because it is a test of skill.. I really don't give a rats ass if i die in a 1 on 1

Sad thing is hardly neone out there seems too share this point of vieuw it seems.. I know that isnt tru but they had enuf and wanne kill some too not let their epeen shrink too the size of a clitores... It's all good, just frustrating and i need too vent... Rather then destroying my interior ill QQ on here or whereever other people r

So to all adding ***** and tards out there as i lovingly call most people.. Go on keep on doing what you do... Imo you made some nice solo players leave the game... My sub has now run out and am contemplating if i should renew it.. I prolly will cuz im an addict ( God knows why really ) If i do I hope too cu all out there.. Just remember others need too have fun 2 else they will just /q and not renew their subs if they get screwed enuf

 

[Adianna]

I like 1 on 1's because it is a test of skill.. I really don't give a rats ass if i die in a 1 on 1

1 vs 1 is mainly a test of luck, who's realm abilities and artifacts are ready and the time you've invested in your equipment. That has fairly nothing to do with any sort of skill especially among stealthers... at least if you're not somehow mentally or physically challenged or something.

/edit: It might be skill finding a real 1 vs 1 though.

 

[Phooka]

1 vs 1 is mainly a test of luck, who's realm abilities and artifacts are ready and the time you've invested in your equipment. That has fairly nothing to do with any sort of skill especially among stealthers... at least if you're not somehow mentally or physically challenged or something.

Not entirely tru but luck play a big part 2 aye

 

[Adianna]

Not entirely tru but luck play a big part 2 aye

From my shade's point of view: Remedy >> other stealthers.

 

[Phooka]

From my shade's point of view: Remedy >> other stealthers.

Yus but i got 49 stealth so im too late on remedy and as i said i hardly run into soloers

 

[stupeh]

everyone is afraid of loosing RPs so that they don't even consider a real attack on the porting option of the enemy realm.

You do remember what happened last time there was no port to another realm? One day there was 70+ people in HW, the next day when the keeps got retaken, there was 4, and that was the busiest zone. ><

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Yeah I agree Fungus. Annoys me when people let me die (like last night a group actually disengaged from some High RR Albs so the Albs could kill us) but I don't send anyone complaints or come here to moan.

I accept it's people's choice and get on with it. I wish people would do the same and stop sending me "Don't add please" comments cos my ignore list is getting long.

actually that was us doing that , ppl add on us fine ... we disengage and move on.

Now that's just plain sad in my opinion fungus...

 

[Shike]

From my shade's point of view: Remedy >> other stealthers.

landing PA is equally important imo, it aint that easy in stealtherfights

 

[Shike]

Now that's just plain sad in my opinion fungus...

as its others choice to add like turds and ruin stuff, its also his choice to just move on though

 

[Luz]

about 1v1 fights, as long as theese happen near bridges or where alot of people hang out you are never going to find many..

since theres alot of people playing maybe both sides and or all three realms, most likely alot of them dont even read theese forums - and will jump 1v1 fights anyway.

So that discussion is pointless, 1v1 will be rare as long as all stay at same places. And since people have different preferences on adding and such.

 

[Seanpaul]

actually that was us doing that , ppl add on us fine ... we disengage and move on.

yeh might as well come back when their RAs are down so its fairer for you eh?

 

[Sharkith]

You do remember what happened last time there was no port to another realm? One day there was 70+ people in HW, the next day when the keeps got retaken, there was 4, and that was the busiest zone. ><

Stupeh - what are you suggesting that indicates?

To me it indicates just how lazy this iRVR makes the zerg who can't even be arsed to go get a boat and give it a go at a keep or tower. Recently we have got a BG together and some people don't even think that a ram or Treib might be a useful thing to have. It is just ridiculus, thats why when a BG turns up with a purpose it suddenly feels like the game it should be.

8 v's 8 and 1 vs 1 I fully respect those views and I can see the interest and why people feel they want only one or the other. Personally I like the full range of the game and the times I have tried these out it has been interesting. What I don't respect is when someone thinks a 'rule' is a 'rule' whatever happens. That is the dumb view of 'rules' and how they work. Sorry but it is simply stupidity to try and organise a community on this sort of thinking.

So to those of you who cry about no-adding I find your lack of clarity remarkable and so I respect your view less. Good rules are rules that are easy to recognise. So when someone breaks the rule you can qq. Equally when someone qq's about an apparent break in the rule you should be able to respond by clearly stating that actually here their qq is wrong. There is considerable evidence that there is an ill defined wish or desire to have no adding. This evidence comes from the amount of self contradictory crap that people come here and spout about sometimes on both sides of the debate.

So far no-one has defined the rule. As a result what many do is come along and bitch about something that technically doesn't. It doesn't exist because because no-one as yet has actually specified the conditions under which it happens and were it doesn't. A rule like adding should really only apply to specific circumstances it should have conditions that apply in certain situations and not others. Please someone try to pour some clarity on our muddy waters? If you are clear you can gurantee that I will support you because I honestly would like to feel that the game had improved for all concerned. Then maybe you could mobalise support for your view of the rule.

Before you specify the rule and its conditions be sure of one thing. It won't stop adding because any good rule has exceptions. But at least you will be able to recognise those exceptions. Having a clear rule might help reduce it somewhat because some of us honestly would like to be sure we are not adding.

I hope this helps apologies for the essay had a boring spell in work...

Sharkith

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Now that's just plain sad in my opinion fungus...

its not at all, see it like this some ppl want fg vs fg and cba with add-shit, then 1fg hibs adds into the fight so its 16vs8 = not fair, ofc the group who doesnt like adds will disengage, so its a fair fight again.

btw another funny example how RP greedy randoms are compared to opted ppl, and still yet its the randoms who call opted groups rp horny.

some ppl just make me smile irl

 

[daoc_xianghua]

yeh might as well come back when their RAs are down so its fairer for you eh?

rofl idiot, i was in that group with ejo, we were winning the fight then some hibs added, we disengaged and the already half dead alb group killed the hibbies (which is already embarrasing enuff for the hibs), all we wanted was a fair fight and 2fg´s vs 1fg aint fair, so we left.

 

[Luz]

btw another funny example how RP greedy randoms are compared to opted ppl, and still yet its the randoms who call opted groups rp horny.

some ppl just make me smile irl

This might have to do with the fact that regular players can struggle 4 hours for 10k while the GG hose in 50k on a night or more.

Basicly you dont really "need" the RP anymore, GG got the RR´s and RA´s to cover most times, while regular players think 1k from adding to a fight is much. Some play to make progress on their char only, and by adding they can get a better chance to do so

RvR is so competative theese days...

 

[Luz]

btw I dare any of the people that run GG´s for long now to join a regular non-rvr only alliance and guild for just 1 month, 4 weeks. . and try that side of RvR out..

 

[Shike]

RvR is so competative theese days...

was worse in OF tbh

btw I dare any of the people that run GG´s for long now to join a regular non-rvr only alliance and guild for just 1 month, 4 weeks. . and try that side of RvR out..

and you forget that most ppl actually have been randoms of some sort aswell, before they joined up with a RVRguild.

 

[fungus]

Now that's just plain sad in my opinion fungus...

so whats sad about it ? we want to fight fg vs fg we engage in a fight then 15 seconds later another group adds. We think well ok .... let them fight it ........ Its their choise to add so its our choice 2 disengage.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

This might have to do with the fact that regular players can struggle 4 hours for 10k while the GG hose in 50k on a night or more.

Basicly you dont really "need" the RP anymore, GG got the RR´s and RA´s to cover most times, while regular players think 1k from adding to a fight is much. Some play to make progress on their char only, and by adding they can get a better chance to do so

RvR is so competative theese days...

yea sure then fuckin dont call opted ppl rp horny when you are 10 times worse yourself its fuckin hypocricy (talking in general not about u)
to say that opted groups dont need the rp anymore is the biggest bulshit i´ve ever heard in 4 years of daoc. we play for a challenge and for fun = fg vs fg,

what do randoms play rvr for?, cant be the challenge since there is none when you zerg/add, cant be the fun either since zerging/adding might be fun to a noob but as soon as you play the game a bit more serious you will figure out that its totally boring.
so whats left now? can only be the rp what they play for.

i give you a hint, if you dont like 10k rps/4 hours then maybe try make a decent group setup (bards and droods help trust me) play with ppl who play for a challenge and not just for easy rp, make a set group with atleast 5 days of Rvring per week, get decent equip and play a few months like that and you will do 50k+ the evening pretty easy.

what you do is: I cant compete with the good players/guilds but i cba to put efford in it either but i wanna be rr10 someday so i zerg/add on everything i see.

seriously do you think you can proud of it if you finally reached rr10? i think not

 

[fungus]

btw I dare any of the people that run GG´s for long now to join a regular non-rvr only alliance and guild for just 1 month, 4 weeks. . and try that side of RvR out..

Been there and done that didnt like it.

really we all started out at RR1 just as everybody else. we also struggled to get semi high RR but we managed. now its your turn ...

 

[fungus]

yeh might as well come back when their RAs are down so its fairer for you eh?

what Xiang said.

 

[Belisar]

we play for a challenge and for fun = fg vs fg,

Wasn't it you who made a comment on a different thread (but same basic topic) that you had RR6+ to show for your time and asked what others had ? (sorry at work and not gonna spend time looking up the exact quote).

If that is not being rp horny I am not sure what is.

Are others rp horny ? Ofc - everyone wants to improve, everyone wants more ra's. But not sure it is quite the inverse balance that you suggest.

You suggest zerging is not fun - I ask how smacking a non-GG with all the bells and whistles you possess inside 30 seconds is fun ? Certainly no challenge in it.

Seems to me that the arguments all go round in circles, we can all argue the same point the same way but just put a slightly different slant on it. Best we can ever hope for is a little understanding and appreciation of what each other is trying to do.

I wonder if mythic will introduce some kind of instance dungeon for RvR where you can take 1fg only - now that would solve a few of the issues.

 

[Sharkith]

I wonder if mythic will introduce some kind of instance dungeon for RvR where you can take 1fg only - now that would solve a few of the issues.

I suggested that a long time ago but the GG's did not seem to like that they way it was explained made sense to be honest - they seemed to like the whole unknown element of it.

 

[Luz]

I understand everyone started from scratch.

I just say if you ran so long in a GG you might have forgotten how it felt when you were not.

About the comment on RP greedy people, I said yes, random are more RP greedy - because its the harder to actually get RP´s adding is a less harder way when you´ve ran about all nights getting nothing.

And xianghua, I cant get a group together and play 5 times a week. I would not want to block my RL like that. And atleast in my guild we dont turn down friendly people who want to RvR by hunting the "right classes" this has been covered allready. Random people dont run fixed groups because they cant for one reason or another.