fellow fatties...i require your advice

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Yeh well depends on how you want to do it, there is no "perfect" way to get your goals.

On the interval training! yes its awesome. Get some Sprinting in. A lot of energy in sprinting is used up keeping your upper body from flopping around like a dead fish. its also the main reason that sprinters have a lot of upper body muscle to keep their movements all under control.
 

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Nice one on the weight loss though Scouse.. Some people say that the faster you lose it, the quicker you can put it back on.. but its all down to the individual person isn't it?

Aye, tis true. I'm still the right weight (after 3 years) so I must be doing something right :)

got the six pack (first time ever!) and I consider that all normal now

Having a six-pack is anything but normal. You're working too hard m8 :)

But
so after your work out you really have to fight the urge to pig out and stick to your diet plan

That's bob on and all it boils down to really...
 

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yeah true that. Nice one Scouse! as to the weight regain, that is indeed up to you. myself, I am also losing weight atm, being a sloth-like IT person who sits all day but does do sports (but not regularly). I've managed 12kg so far, and I'm looking for another 12 in the future. my criteria were: lose weight as slowly as possible, not lose muscle mass, and diet without being on a diet (if you follow me). I've been doing it for about 7 months now and it's working fine: what I basically do is easy: I stopped buying work lunches. I make sandwiches at home and take them with me, and consume them during the working day. dinners as they always were. In the beginning I was hungry, but now I feel fine :)

Cheers old bean. I'm the sloth-like IT guy too and your approach is the correct one. Eat healthily, modify your life as opposed to "diet". After a while it all becomes natural and you wonder why there was ever a problem in the first place :)

After that - it's not going out with girls who subtly impose destructive eating habits on you - but that's a whole other story ;)
 

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Having a six-pack is anything but normal. You're working too hard m8 :)

People proud of a six-pack = deluded by bullshit societal 'ideals' based almost entirely on nothing less arbitrary than aesthetics. You can be entirely healthy 'without' one.

(But I am also the type to argue that the rigamarole that women are virtually forced to go through to be 'attractive' is also bullshit. OH NOES SHE HAS HAIRY ARMPITS WTF KILL HER.)
 

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youre not deluded to want a sixpack, what a load of shit.
are you saying all bodybuilders think they are only healthy if they have single digit bodyfat and muscles bulging out?
 

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youre not deluded to want a sixpack, what a load of shit.
are you saying all bodybuilders think they are only healthy if they have single digit bodyfat and muscles bulging out?

Kind of confused by what you're saying here...
 

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This thread has made me feel a bit sad. In Jan/Feb of this year I had a personal issue kick my diet/exercise life into startup mode. Starting at 15 1/2 stone (7 months later) I'm idling between 13-13 1/4 stone. (Was 12.7 at lowest, been a lazy summer) - All I really did was skip every day for random period of time and eat properly. (Went from around 4kcal a day to about 1800-2000) (20-40 minutes at a time, interval types. 30-40% then 80-90%)

Thread has actually made me want to start doing it all again, so now I need to find my rope and find money to swim. Damn you FH!
 

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Kind of confused by what you're saying here...

this is how i read lousters post -

people who want a six pack think they cant be healthy unless they have one, and thats down to society being ran on looks a lot of the time.

maybe i was wrong in interpreting it. i was responding by saying people who want six packs dont necessarily think they are only healthy unless they have one (unless they are retarded). i used bodybuilders as an example of people who have a six pack and its not because they think they cant be healthy without one.
 

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What I was saying is that stuff like a six-pack has no real connection to good health in and of itself, and that a desire to have one, or pride in having one, is purely driven by the fact that it's a fashionable "manly" aesthetic - nothing more. (Edit: and that I consider this as delusional, as fashion is transient, arbitrary bullshit.)
 

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i dont think you can apply that to everyone.

i can see my abs which is a side effect of lowering body fat and lifting heavy weights, it would be good to have one, and if i had one id be proud that i could take my self from a 20st fat twat to a lean bastard. it has nothing to do with what other people make think of it.

btw heres a quote for you

"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. Socrates, 400bc"

was Socrates just a shallow bastard concerned with only looks too?
 

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What I was saying is that stuff like a six-pack has no real connection to good health in and of itself, and that a desire to have one, or pride in having one, is purely driven by the fact that it's a fashionable "manly" aesthetic - nothing more. (Edit: and that I consider this as delusional, as fashion is transient, arbitrary bullshit.)

Yeh? so I'm working out and its ending up with me looking fucking great? so what? I play Rugby, Cycle and Women love it, Hetro Men "generally" find slim, fit girls with a nice rack hot, women like a bloke who has a nice toned well defined body, even more when they have a defined 6 pack? Its shallow probably, so what? I'm not a rebelling socialist, I like the extra attention and "benefits" it leads too, sure I do, And at least i can now say I'm a peak physical fitness and I look fucking great for it, plus it gives me a bigger ego and even more confidence as I know I look good and I worked hard for it, I know that they way I look isn't a result from starving myself but from a well manage diet with a very active lifestyle and dedication. So screw you bitch lol

//And I know I can be perfectly healthy without a six pack. But why should I not want one if I can get one, and it is an achievement to get one and maintain it, its not easy work.
 

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Re: tris, as far as I remember, ancient Greece did have a pretty big 'thing' for gymnastics - it was definitely fashionable back then, too. Being healthy and being 'attractive' are two entirely different things. Like, you have cultures in which being overweight is fashionable, because of the connection with plentiful food (i.e. wealth), and then back in ye olden times when being untanned was a sign of wealth, not having to work out in the sun and such - whereas now it's pretty much the opposite.

The only thing that transcends all of this crap is the pursuit of good health, which actually has a rational basis.
 

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//And I know I can be perfectly healthy without a six pack. But why should I not want one if I can get one, and it is an achievement to get one and maintain it, its not easy work.

Congratulations, you are a human peacock.
 

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Re: tris[...]

The only thing that transcends all of this crap is the pursuit of good health, which actually has a rational basis.

i think your missing all the points here. some people train to get a sixpack because they think it looks good, well they can do that. some people train for health and fitness and a sixpack comes along unintentionally, good for them.
it doesnt make you a shallow bastard if you have a sixpack, it simply means that what ever youve done has caused your bodyfat to drop low enough for them to be revealed.

and i used a Socrates quote because afaik, he was some clever dude, and what he is saying is true imo. it is a shame not to know what level you can take your body too. i would never of thought last year i could do what i currently do.

im not sure how its shallow to want to see what you can make of your body. are professional runners like paula radcliffe shallow? she has a sixpack, so she must of done that to look good?
 

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My point was that the pursuit of and taking pride in primarily aesthetic things like a six-pack means that, yes, you are shallow - or, at least, that you have no cultural perspective. Not enough to recognise that it is mostly a societal fad, yet another of these random things that happen to serve as an indicator of wealth.

(So in other words, a person whose abdominal muscles become 'well-defined' purely through the pursuit of good health, and who takes no particular pride in them, would draw no ire from me.)

And yeah, Socrates wasn't infallible. I kind of lost interest in him after reading his 'logical proof' of the existence of God (IIRC).
 

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fuck off derailing my thread you shit fucks.
 

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lardboys :p (I include myself ofc)


oh mankathon, have a tip for you that I stole from mrs tdc: when you really get into the flab burning and gym and things: don't weigh yourself but measure yourself. so get a wee booklet and note your circumference every week or so. with working out my weight does all kinds of strange things, yet my pants tell me I'm getting slimmer and slimmer. I never though to measure the progress.
 

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oh mankathon, have a tip for you that I stole from mrs tdc: when you really get into the flab burning and gym and things: don't weigh yourself but measure yourself. so get a wee booklet and note your circumference every week or so. with working out my weight does all kinds of strange things, yet my pants tell me I'm getting slimmer and slimmer. I never though to measure the progress.


Wow, you've got talking pants? Where do I buy those?
 

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I just had a double hotdog and a bag of jalepeno pepper crisps for my mid morning snack!!!!!
 

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My point was that the pursuit of and taking pride in primarily aesthetic things like a six-pack means that, yes, you are shallow - or, at least, that you have no cultural perspective. Not enough to recognise that it is mostly a societal fad, yet another of these random things that happen to serve as an indicator of wealth.

(So in other words, a person whose abdominal muscles become 'well-defined' purely through the pursuit of good health, and who takes no particular pride in them, would draw no ire from me.)

What a load of bollocks. Since it takes a shitload of work to get a sixpack (unless you're extremely rare, genetically) then of course, someone has the right to be proud they have one, and justifiably so. As for "no cultural perspective", also bollocks. You could argue they have an acute cultural perspective. "Societal fad" it may be, but if it makes you seem more attractive versus other lard-arses (like me) then you're playing the cultural game perfectly, since, at the most basic level, that's your job as a gene-carrying bunch of cells.

The danger of working out that much is you can look like a narcissistic dick to some women, but it still doesn't mean having a sixpack isn't a perfectly valid aspiration.
 

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By cultural perspective I meant the ability to see our culture as it is, in the wider scope of culture in general. It seems like a natural progression to me that when you recognise the arbitrary nature of a lot of what goes into our culture, you realise that in the (ever so slightly) greater scheme of things stuff like this has no intrinsic value.

So then how can you justify taking pride in something which, if you accept that it is a societal fad, has no intrinsic value and yet takes a lot of work to attain?

In any case, this seems mostly like a disagreement on which is the more important perspective, and I can't really see a reasonable way of reconciling an understanding of the wider perspective with playing the contemporary 'cultural game' and taking any kind of pride in doing so. It seems at best like a willing blindness.
 

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Yeh? so I'm working out and its ending up with me looking fucking great? so what? I play Rugby, Cycle and Women love it, Hetro Men "generally" find slim, fit girls with a nice rack hot, women like a bloke who has a nice toned well defined body, even more when they have a defined 6 pack? Its shallow probably, so what? I'm not a rebelling socialist, I like the extra attention and "benefits" it leads too, sure I do, And at least i can now say I'm a peak physical fitness and I look fucking great for it, plus it gives me a bigger ego and even more confidence as I know I look good and I worked hard for it, I know that they way I look isn't a result from starving myself but from a well manage diet with a very active lifestyle and dedication. So screw you bitch lol

//And I know I can be perfectly healthy without a six pack. But why should I not want one if I can get one, and it is an achievement to get one and maintain it, its not easy work.

The Mrs reckons that being toned won't maake up for your small penis. Personally, I disagree. I think it gives you the perfect excuse! 'roids!

P.S Arf. This is all made up because it made me laugh in my head. *shrug*
 

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By cultural perspective I meant the ability to see our culture as it is, in the wider scope of culture in general. It seems like a natural progression to me that when you recognise the arbitrary nature of a lot of what goes into our culture, you realise that in the (ever so slightly) greater scheme of things stuff like this has no intrinsic value.

So then how can you justify taking pride in something which, if you accept that it is a societal fad, has no intrinsic value and yet takes a lot of work to attain?

In any case, this seems mostly like a disagreement on which is the more important perspective, and I can't really see a reasonable way of reconciling an understanding of the wider perspective with playing the contemporary 'cultural game' and taking any kind of pride in doing so. It seems at best like a willing blindness.


Well, we're getting waay off-topic here (sorry Mank), but I think its an interesting debate. I think it comes down the fact that you feel cultural phenomenon, trends, whatever, have no "intrinsic value", and I'd disagree with that. Just because something is "fashionable" doesn't automatically make it worthless. In the case we're talking about here, at the surface level its aesthetically pleasing (subjective I know, but most people would agree toned beats flabby fishbelly), and at a deeper level it shows a degree of self-discipline. Self-discipline I freely admit I don't have, but I don't regard those who do, and are proud of the fact (so long as they don't go over the top) as shallow necessarily, until they prove otherwise.
 

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"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. Socrates, 400bc"

was Socrates just a shallow bastard concerned with only looks too?


Nope, but ancient Greeks gang-fucked pigs, goats, babies and a wide variety of vegetables and meat products before comitting their questionable rutting-actions to paper :)
 

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Furr said:
Yeh? so I'm working out and its ending up with me looking fucking great? so what? I play Rugby, Cycle and Women love it, Hetro Men "generally" find slim, fit girls with a nice rack hot, women like a bloke who has a nice toned well defined body, even more when they have a defined 6 pack? Its shallow probably, so what?

I'd just like to say that your own self opinion that all women love a six pack is grossly wrong. That's what Men's Health has you believe. I know a lot of girls at my work and social circle that can't stand solid or rock hard bulging abs, or even the torn appearance of muscle. However, my eldest sister (and indeed my mother) likes a well built man, a nice V shape and low body fat (but not torn or ridged ab'd) - so it just depends on the girl/woman. There's a lot more to attraction than someone's six pack and build, otherwise Arnie and Hulk Hogan would be the ultimate in attraction - and lets be fucking honest - they're fucking not.

Additionally, I don't like women that are too slim. I like buxom girls, big tits, slightly larger arse, a bit of wibble to hold onto. My ex was skinny but toned, and I didn't fancy her anywhere near as much as I fancy my current girlfriend. Hell, even Bangbros have got "big tits and round asses" for guys like me.

However, to suggest that wanting a six pack is sad (Louster) is just queer. If it makes you happy from within and it makes you feel good about yourself, then I say that striving to have a six pack is a good idea to make YOU feel better inside and not someone ELSE or the media. Do it for you, it's good to have a goal and to push yourself to get there. It's hard to get your bodyfat that low and to keep it that way, but if you have the drive and self-dicipline, then why the fuck not? Just don't ram it down people's throats that if you don't have a six pack that you're either a) unhealthy b) fucking doomed in life or c) you won't ever get laid.

Just don't get fat. Being overweight isn't good; it's bad for your health. Eat less.

Oh PS, a lot of people have been swooning over the following for the past year; I don't see a defined six pack (although I do see ab muscles, just nowhere near a six pack).

Big arms/shoulders and chest, good V shape, low fat.

royale17.jpg
 

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